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NYSDEC Talks New York Fishing Regulations for 2021

In this special episode of the New York Fishing Podcast, I speak with Mr. John Maniscalco, the Bureau Chief of Marine Fisheries for the NYSDEC. It’s an interesting episode as they discuss any and all fishing regulation changes for the 2021 season for the New York State recreational angler. They cover the new circle hook requirement for fishing for striped bass with bait. In addition, I give a quick overview of how we manage our saltwater fisheries. The processes involved when making the regulation decisions.

We also discuss tog fish pots, fluke in the Long Island Sound, as well as the changes we’re seeing with the increase of sea bass and the absence of inshore winter flounder. This is a must-hear for New York recreational anglers as they get to hear what’s coming and get an education on the complex issue of fisheries management.

I did ask a few questions that I took from our boards, and I’m confident you will find this interesting.
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Hope he addresses Tapioca as a striped bass “natural marine bait”. I'm curious as to which brand I should keep on board...
 

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Did I miss the use of Berkley Gulp or pork rind on a jig ? I did hear that if one uses (I don't) squid or a spearing on a j-hook jig and catches a slot striper that the reg will probably require the striper be released.
 
Thanks for another interesting Podcast, George. I thought I listened pretty closely but I have to agree with Pequa that I did not hear a definitive ruling on whether or not you can use Fat Cow or Otter Tail synthetic stirps on a bucktail with a J hook and be in compliance. The written "proposed regs" right now do specifically forbid pork rind, classifying it as "natural" but don't mention synthetics.

This is a critical issue for me since 90% of my Bass fishing is done using bucktails with a trailer. In fact I just sent my comments along to the DEC today about the new proposed regulations. While I am OK with using Circle Hooks for "natural baits" I think it is folly to think we are harming the majority of Bass caught on bucktails, especially with the 3 way rig method we use on the North Fork.

In my letter to DEC I mentioned how when using this technique in the deep swift waters of Plum Gut and the Race that the fish literally have a few seconds to decide to strike the lure which almost never results in a gut hooked fish. In fact when I think back on the thousands of Bass we have caught over the past 55 years on my boats I am certain that the number which were actually gut hooked using this method are less than ten fish overall!!

Let's hope some common sense prevails.
 

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I'll chime in too. Besides never catching a bass on a bucktail w/pork rind that was gut hooked in the Gut, Sluiceway and Race, I have another "fact". Many moons ago I used to use yellow pork rind with an attached hook as a trailer on trolled Tony Aceta Pet Spoons, yeah I AM an old fart. Of the hundreds of bass I caught using this set up, virtually all were hooked on the pork rind's hook, and NONE of them were ever gut hooked.

"Hi, I'm from NYDEC and I am clueless. There's no need for actual cogent thought when I can highlight the freshwater definition of bait, hit 'CRTL-C' to copy, and then going over to the new Striped Bass regs and hitting 'CTRL-V' to paste it! We have to avoid the use of tapioca on J-hooks for people fishing for stripers!!"
 
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So if you use a bucktail with squid and want to keep the striper, you have to use a circle hook? Do they even sell circle hook bucktails?

If your intent is to catch striped bass while using a bucktail and you use nothing (like John Paduano when he snap jigs) your good. Add a pork rind or Gulp or Fat Cow and you have to realize it?
 

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Since Fat Cow and Gulp are synthetics not so sure about those. Except for when I surfcast in the fall (and don't use bait of any sort) I will not have to worry about striper by-catch. Perhaps when I liveline but I usually only do that backbay off the yak and the waters are WARM. Personally ? Selfishly ? So just like the china virus didn't impact me compared to many others, this circle hook stuff won't much either.
 

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He did say that they have not made a final determination on what can be used. States will now make recommendations to asmfc and then decide from there.
 

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So if you use a bucktail with squid and want to keep the striper, you have to use a circle hook? Do they even sell circle hook bucktails?

If your intent is to catch striped bass while using a bucktail and you use nothing (like John Paduano when he snap jigs) your good. Add a pork rind or Gulp or Fat Cow and you have to realize it?
When I asked about that John was clear that this is one of many what if's that need to be worked out.
 

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When I asked about that John was clear that this is one of many what if's that need to be worked out.
Just listened to the entire podcast. You asked a lot of great questions George. He mentioned the lack of sampling this year due to Covid. I think this would have been a good time to ask about his thoughts of having the partyboats contribute their catch data, submitted via a smartphone app.
 

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Just listened to the entire podcast. You asked a lot of great questions George. He mentioned the lack of sampling this year due to Covid. I think this would have been a good time to ask about his thoughts of having the partyboats contribute their catch data, submitted via a smartphone app.
I have tried to assist party boats over and over again only to be demonized by the few Capt's that like to think they're the party boat mafia. I'm way beyond allowing trolls to get to me, but sadly some of their BS sticks. Imagine that Captain James Schneider of the James Joseph in Huntington actually called me on the phone to congratulate me when he heard my brother died. Now I see it looks like he actually has a following. Sad. The truth is there screaming and yelling at various meetings have gotten them nowhere. That's why the south shore gets 4 tog and the north shore gets just 3. He was screaming and yelling and cursing, and dropping tog on the floor at that hearing. Mind you this is a 23 old kid, that works for ASMFC simply trying to show a PPT on the fishery. It was an embarrassment to the entire industry. I see that worked out well

There are many great party boat and charter boat captains that are very successful because they know how to keep their fares happy. And they have been huge supporters of my efforts to improve both our fisheries and the sportfishing business. My door is always open to them and they know it. My record is clear, I view a party boat as a taxi taking anglers to the fish. Without that, they could never experience our glorious shore-like and great fishery is has to offer. But I would never suggest using party boat data without their input. But I did think about it.

Again I stress the vast majority of Captains are levelheaded and understand the business, and those are welcome here or on my podcast anytime.
 
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I have tried to assist party boats over and over again only to be demonized by the few Capt's that like to think they're the party boat mafia. I'm way beyond allowing trolls to get to me, but sadly some of their BS sticks. Imagine that Captain James Schneider of the James Joseph in Huntington actually called me on the phone to congratulate me when he heard my brother died. Now I see it looks like he actually has a following. Sad. The truth is there screaming and yelling at various meetings have gotten them nowhere. That's why the south shore gets 4 tog and the north shore gets just 3. He was screaming and yelling and cursing, and dropping tog on the floor at that hearing. Mind you this is a 23 old kid, that works for ASMFC simply trying to show a PPT on the fishery. It was an embarrassment to the entire industry. I see that worked out well

There are many great party boat and charter boat captains that are very successful because they know how to keep their fares happy. And they have been huge supporters of my efforts to improve both our fisheries and the sportfishing business. My door is always open to them and they know it. My record is clear, I view a party boat as a taxi taking anglers to the fish. Without that, they could never experience our glorious shore-like and great fishery is has to offer. But I would never suggest using party boat data without their input. But I did think about it.

Again I stress the vast majority of Captains are levelheaded and understand the business, and those are welcome here or on my podcast anytime.
Hang in there!!
 

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I have tried to assist party boats over and over again only to be demonized by the few Capt's that like to think they're the party boat mafia. I'm way beyond allowing trolls to get to me, but sadly some of their BS sticks. Imagine that Captain James Schneider of the James Joseph in Huntington actually called me on the phone to congratulate me when he heard my brother died. Now I see it looks like he actually has a following. Sad. The truth is there screaming and yelling at various meetings have gotten them nowhere. That's why the south shore gets 4 tog and the north shore gets just 3. He was screaming and yelling and cursing, and dropping tog on the floor at that hearing. Mind you this is a 23 old kid, that works for ASMFC simply trying to show a PPT on the fishery. It was an embarrassment to the entire industry. I see that worked out well

There are many great party boat and charter boat captains that are very successful because they know how to keep their fares happy. And they have been huge supporters of my efforts to improve both our fisheries and the sportfishing business. My door is always open to them and they know it. My record is clear, I view a party boat as a taxi taking anglers to the fish. Without that, they could never experience our glorious shore-like and great fishery is has to offer. But I would never suggest using party boat data without their input. But I did think about it.

Again I stress the vast majority of Captains are levelheaded and understand the business, and those are welcome here or on my podcast anytime.
You make valid points. I know the fellow you mentioned through mutual friends and have heard many, many stories. I even fished with him a few times. There are always a few bad apples, and that is on all sides. Most of the captains I know or have worked with are levelheaded and respect the fishery. If the fishery thrives, their businesses follow suit. In order for them to input the data they would need to be included and see the value, you and I both know not everyone will be onboard with this. The ones that don't partake would then have nothing to complain about because they are not trying to be part of the solution, but part of the problem. I am not really sure how smaller sample sizes due to the pandemic is going to help anyone. Just my 2 cents.
 
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You make valid points. I know the fellow you mentioned through mutual friends and have heard many, many stories. I even fished with him a few times. There are always a few bad apples, and that is on all sides. Most of the captains I know or have worked with are levelheaded and respect the fishery. If the fishery thrives, their businesses follow suit. In order for them to input the data they would need to be included and see the value, you and I both know not everyone will be onboard with this. The ones that don't partake would then have nothing to complain about because they are not trying to be part of the solution, but part of the problem. I am not really sure how smaller sample sizes due to the pandemic is going to help anyone. Just my 2 cents.
I both get it, and agree.
 

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You know what disturbed me the most @george? How he said they didn't want 2 different bait regs, between Hudson River and the coast because it would be confusing for the ECOs. Well DUH, the fish regulations are different from above and below the GW bridge, so his "concerns" are totally unfounded.
 

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Yeah, I heard that too and was hoping he had just "mispoke." (Or that he really meant that you can use tapioca both north and south of the GW...) There was another really major word miscue, I have even forgotten what it was, since I thought it was obvious to listeners that one would catch it and know what he actually wanted to say.