Do you fish for shark from the beach?

[george]

If you do you need to voice your opinion on the new shark regs the state is considering.

The proposed rulemaking amends gear restrictions for recreational shore anglers to enhance law enforcement's ability to protect sharks. These amendments will establish maximum hook sizes and maximum metal leader lengths for shore anglers, limits the deployment of baited hooks to rod and reel only for shore anglers, and prohibits chumming near shore. The proposed rulemaking also adds new handling and release methods for all sharks to improve both shark and angler safety.

• Text of Proposed Regulation (PDF) - Underlines contained in the text denote new material. Brackets [ ] indicate material to be deleted.
• Regulatory Impact Statement (PDF) - provides background and additional information.

Comment period is open through August 14, 2023.

Written comments can be submitted to:

Chris Scott
DEC Division of Marine Resources
123 Kings Park Blvd.
Kings Park, NY 11754
Email: [email protected]

DEC will hold two virtual public hearings to accept public comment.

Tuesday, August 1, 2023 at 6 P.M. Join by visiting www.webex.com and click "Join a meeting."

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Persons wishing to comment on the proposed rule will have the opportunity to make a statement at the public comment hearing webinars. Any person wishing to provide a public statement must register in advance of the hearings no later than 10:00 a.m. July 26, 2023. A Notice of Public Hearing (PDF) is available with complete instructions and details to register for the public hearing.

 

[CELLFISH]

hey George, like most of us chunkers, toothed sharks are usually the bycatch of beach fishing…
trying to dislodged a hook while the shark is not allowed to be removed from water, would be challenging in itself… bolt cutters ?
have steel leader at 12” will usually end up with a lost fish, their skin can easily cut braided & mono line…

here’s a Florida Lemon I needed to turn over to remove the hook before any regulation was put in place….

it may be best to mandate “SHARKING ILLEGAL” considering how endangered some species are, rather than all the details… cellfish…
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[Roccus7]

The other conundrum is that to take a retain a legal shark, or even a tuna for that matter, one has to have a Federal HMS permit which is only issued to BOATS!!

By virtue of that fact, all shore based shark fishing is inherently C&R...

 

[CELLFISH]

 

[george]

The other conundrum is that to take a retain a legal shark, or even a tuna for that matter, one has to have a Federal HMS permit which is only issued to BOATS!!

By virtue of that fact, all shore based shark fishing is inherently C&R...

I’m thinking that’s in federal waters only. Anglers are fishing state waters. But i don’t know for sure. I have a podcast coming out in it and that is one of the questions i will ask.

 

[Roccus7]

I’m thinking that’s in federal waters only. Anglers are fishing state waters. But i don’t know for sure. I have a podcast coming out in it and that is one of the questions i will ask.

You might want to for sure. I do know that NJ, the state that never abides by few rules, didn't stop the Feds from busting someone who caught a BFT from the beach pre-COVID during a fall sandeel blitz. Especially interesting in that the NY Regs talk about retention limits per vessel.

The "Maroon", as Bugs would say, posted all about it on Social Media, including many photos, making the "hunt" far from difficult...

 

[OVERBORED]

Be careful. They just might ban surf bait fishing from May -September to "protect" sharks.....

 

[In The Wash]

I used to target then a few years back before it got "popular" and sharks ended up not being released properly and a few sand tigers found dead after poor or no release efforts. It was fun, but when the BS started it was time to step away from the game. I was tagging them quietly for about 5 years before that idiot "Long Island Shark Man" decided to pump it all over social media and bring way too much attention to it. NOAA had no problem sending me tags repeatedly. After NY cracked down on the rules the NOAA sent an email to their legitimate taggers to not tag anymore sharks from the surf in NY. And that's when I hung up the gear. I landed some nice browns to 5 to 6 feet and a sand tiger that was 7.5 back in the day.

 

[george]

You might want to for sure. I do know that NJ, the state that never abides by few rules, didn't stop the Feds from busting someone who caught a BFT from the beach pre-COVID during a fall sandeel blitz. Especially interesting in that the NY Regs talk about retention limits per vessel.

The "Maroon", as Bugs would say, posted all about it on Social Media, including many photos, making the "hunt" far from difficult...

That doesn't sound right. The HMS has two permits - vessel - dealer.

Atlantic Highly Migratory Species Permits​

The Atlantic Highly Migratory Species Management Division issues federal vessel permits for commercial and recreational fisheries in the Atlantic Ocean, Gulf of Mexico, and Caribbean Sea.
New England/Mid-Atlantic

Southeast

NOAA Fisheries requires fishermen and dealers to obtain federal permits if they fish for, sell, purchase, or import Atlantic highly migratory species (HMS), which include tunas, billfish, swordfish, or sharks. Permits are also required to export bluefin tuna, swordfish, and frozen bigeye tuna.
For information on permits for other species, visit our regional Permits page.
There are two primary types of Atlantic HMS permits:

• Vessel permits
• Dealer permits

 

[Roccus7]

That doesn't sound right. The HMS has two permits - vessel - dealer.

Atlantic Highly Migratory Species Permits​

The Atlantic Highly Migratory Species Management Division issues federal vessel permits for commercial and recreational fisheries in the Atlantic Ocean, Gulf of Mexico, and Caribbean Sea.
New England/Mid-Atlantic

Southeast

NOAA Fisheries requires fishermen and dealers to obtain federal permits if they fish for, sell, purchase, or import Atlantic highly migratory species (HMS), which include tunas, billfish, swordfish, or sharks. Permits are also required to export bluefin tuna, swordfish, and frozen bigeye tuna.
For information on permits for other species, visit our regional Permits page.
There are two primary types of Atlantic HMS permits:

• Vessel permits
• Dealer permits

Are you implying that something NOAA does doesn't sound right?? Maybe @Old Mud will enter that into the Quote of the Week thread,

Brings back not so fond memories of dealing with FDA staff scientists who, when confronted with the scientific insanity of some of their regulations, would respond with, "Yes, it makes absolutely no scientific sense, but that's the ruling" with a deadpan, straight face...

 

[george]

I confirmed it today. HMS are vessel permits and lands based antlers are exempt.