Avenger
Well-Known Angler
Looks like the Canucks have an immigration problem.
Striped Bass in Canada, Eh?
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Looks like the Canucks have an immigration problem.
I hope you're not suggesting that the spawning population is in trouble. I can't speak for the bay but I've been watching this fishery now for eight weeks straight and I've never seen so many big bass coming out of that river. We have more spawners than I have ever seen ever. It's just not your everyday spawners. These fish are coming out of that river with a vengeance, big, fat, and healthy. Just look around and you're going to find that there are big bass being caught in every inlet, in every stretch of water all around Long Island.
I think you better start looking somewhere else because that is not the problem.
I think you better start looking somewhere else because that is not the problem.
I’m suggesting that by not hassling the fish while spawning things should start improving all around.
Keep in mind 7 abysmal MD spawns and 4 bad NY ones in a row. Your Grandchildren won’t see any bass…
Yes, good amount of larger fish, but where are the small schoolies?
This is how your regulate striped bass so they can have a undisturbed spawn. Yes, it doesn't ensure that the eggs will get fertilized, hatch and the spat survive their 1st year of life. HOWEVER if only a small fraction of eggs make it to the fall, the numbers increase as more eggs are laid.
Legend: The map below shows a close-up view of the closure on the Northwest Miramichi River. The Red Bank-Sunny Corner bridge is visible on the lower left side of the map, and on the right side, the downstream boundary of the angling closure is indicated with a black line drawn between two points located approximately 9.8 km downriver from the bridge. This line is perpendicular to Route 435. The zone that will be closed is marked in red. Coordinates of the two points defining the line are 1) 46°58'00.339"N/ -65°42'58.117"W on the north shore; and 2) 46°57'42.322"N/ -65°42'57.205"W on the south shore (NAD 83).
The Northwest Miramichi River estuary is the only confirmed successful spawning ground for striped bass in the southern Gulf of St. Lawrence. The closure of all angling in the area during the period when striped bass are most concentrated and actively spawning is intended to ensure the best success of spawning activities and the continued health of the striped bass stock in the southern Gulf of St. Lawrence. With the exception of the area described above, the recreational fishery will remain open throughout the Miramichi River system during the striped bass spawning period. A closure notice will be posted on the DFO Gulf Region Recreational Fisheries Internet page when the closure becomes effective.
From: Canadian Striped Bass Regs
Protection during the spawning period in the Northwest Miramichi
There is a closure of the Northwest Miramichi River spawning ground to all angling activities during the spawning period. The Department will issue a variation order closing all angling for a duration of up to ten (10) days covering an area of approximately 9.8 kilometers of the Northwest Miramichi River below the Red Bank Bridge once concentrations of striped bass are observed spawning.Legend: The map below shows a close-up view of the closure on the Northwest Miramichi River. The Red Bank-Sunny Corner bridge is visible on the lower left side of the map, and on the right side, the downstream boundary of the angling closure is indicated with a black line drawn between two points located approximately 9.8 km downriver from the bridge. This line is perpendicular to Route 435. The zone that will be closed is marked in red. Coordinates of the two points defining the line are 1) 46°58'00.339"N/ -65°42'58.117"W on the north shore; and 2) 46°57'42.322"N/ -65°42'57.205"W on the south shore (NAD 83).
The Northwest Miramichi River estuary is the only confirmed successful spawning ground for striped bass in the southern Gulf of St. Lawrence. The closure of all angling in the area during the period when striped bass are most concentrated and actively spawning is intended to ensure the best success of spawning activities and the continued health of the striped bass stock in the southern Gulf of St. Lawrence. With the exception of the area described above, the recreational fishery will remain open throughout the Miramichi River system during the striped bass spawning period. A closure notice will be posted on the DFO Gulf Region Recreational Fisheries Internet page when the closure becomes effective.
From: Canadian Striped Bass Regs
Wait . . . now we want an undisturbed spawn? Do you think that will help anything considering that this is a handful of people fishing in there? Eliminated taking the big fish. If you're concerned about catch and release, there are literally millions of fish in there and there's very few people fishing. I'm thinking they're pretty much undisturbed now.
Don't forget the Canadians have the advantage of seeing what happened to us. Do we think those are Hudson or bay fish?
On another note I've put together an AI searchable database at www.stripedbass.org this is a neutral site not meant for anglers. I do think a man of science like yourself could probably find some stuff interesting. Not everything is going to be 100% yet. Still has to learn things but I'm putting it out there.
Don't forget the Canadians have the advantage of seeing what happened to us. Do we think those are Hudson or bay fish?
On another note I've put together an AI searchable database at www.stripedbass.org this is a neutral site not meant for anglers. I do think a man of science like yourself could probably find some stuff interesting. Not everything is going to be 100% yet. Still has to learn things but I'm putting it out there.
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Not even hinting no retention, I love to eat stripers, but one needs to look at the forest, not just the trees. There aren't many "saplings" right now so when the more mature trees die or harvested, there's nothing left for the future.
Am I pushing for an undisturbed spawn, absolutely yes including staging areas!! That negates your "handful of people fishing" comment when Raritan Bay is included considering the Hudson River spawn. I'd hazard a guess that there are similar areas in the Chesapeake.
Let the fish reproduce with no constraints, that's all. Doesn't seem too much to ask to protect the future...
I don't know. Undisturbed spawn feels out of reach now. We never needed that before. Last time they came back at a 36 inch minimum, plain and simple.Now it's a 3 inch slot. For years we asked for the breeders to go back. So now you can't hang a fifty pounder. Catch it, sure, just can't keep it. Throw back all the big ones, they said. That's all we needed.
So we're throwing back the big ones. And there are no small ones. Maybe they're eating themselves. Maybe there are too many big ones around. No one's ever talked about that, but it doesn't mean it's not happening. Remember what happened when we put stripers on the West Coast? They ate everything.
I know I'm off track. But the point stands. Our regulators haven't a clue. We play with the stock, the slots, the sizes like it's some scientific board. It's not. It's nature.
So we're throwing back the big ones. And there are no small ones. Maybe they're eating themselves. Maybe there are too many big ones around. No one's ever talked about that, but it doesn't mean it's not happening. Remember what happened when we put stripers on the West Coast? They ate everything.
I know I'm off track. But the point stands. Our regulators haven't a clue. We play with the stock, the slots, the sizes like it's some scientific board. It's not. It's nature.
hawk375
Angler
sorry to inform you george but roccus might have something when you go back to 36 inch size limit ny season opened in may and raritan bay had little pressure to see how people catch hold take picture than release of large roe packed fish should be stoped sorry that goes against the catch and release crowd ASMFC has done a horrible job because of people like you have too much to say they were supposed to do echosystem management 30 years ago but stopped because no one wanted to admit the striped bass were impacting other fish
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