Three, IMPORTANT ASMFC Striped Bass Meetings coming up in early December!!

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For those of you who want to understand what's going to happen to Striper Regs this coming season, although the cynic in me thinks ASMFC will do their normal "kick the can down the road" routine...


Important Striped Bass Meeting Dates​

Informational Webinar to Review Atlantic Striped Bass Technical Report
Date:
December 5, 2024, 6:00 PM - 7:30 PM
Location:
Virtual, webinar registration link

The Commission will host an Informational Webinar to review the management options developed by the Technical Committee and provide the public with sufficient background information to inform the development and submission of public comment by December 10. No public comments will be taken at this webinar; staff can address clarifying questions as time allows but public comments will not be taken.

Atlantic Striped Bass Advisory Panel
Date:
December 9, 2024, 4:30 PM - 7:00 PM
Location: Virtual, webinar link

Please note this is a working meeting of the Atlantic Striped Bass Advisory Panel. The public is welcome to listen in, but there will be limited opportunity to provide comments during the call/webinar.

Atlantic Striped Bass Management Board
Date:
December 16, 2024, 10:00 AM - 2:00 PM
Location: Virtual/ In person Westin Crystal City, 1800 Richmond Hwy, Arlington, VA 22202

The draft agenda, webinar information, and the Technical Committee Report with management options for consideration will be posted on the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission by December 3. The meeting responds to the results of the 2024 Stock Assessment Update (PDF), which indicates the resource remains overfished but is not experiencing overfishing.

Public Comment Guidelines

The Commission anticipates a large volume of written public comments will be submitted for this meeting. In order to compile and provide the comments to the Board in a timely manner before the meeting, written comments may be submitted via email to [email protected] by 11:59 p.m. on Tuesday, December 10. Comments received after this date will not be included in the Board’s materials.
 
If you really want some agita, here's the different proposals the Technical Committee came up with regarding potential ways to try to improve the chances of having a successful rebuilding by 2029.

ASMFC Technical Committee Options

WARNING: it's over 130 pages long and they're depending on significant NO TARGETING CLOSURES. That means you CANNOT target striped bass.

If you want to hear their rationalization of that piece of trash there's a meeting tonight at 18:00. Here's the info:

How to Join the Webinar

Thu, Dec 5, 2024 6:00 PM - 7:30 PM EST | Webinar ID: 263-766-419

The cited WAVES are as follows:
Wave 1: January-February
Wave 2: March-April
Wave 3: May-June
Wave 4: July-August
Wave 5: September-October
Wave 6: November-December

The irony here is that every time the Commission talks about No Targeting Closures, the Conservation Officers say there's no way they could enforce that a vehemently disagree with it.

I'll be listening with a large glass of an adult beverage...
 
No surprise here. They have 4 years left to rebuild and the can is about to hit the end of the road. I'm all for conservation, but the fact that these closures are being considered based on the rec Catch and release mortality is a disservice to both the angler and the resource.

I've been over this before but the blatant facts are the C&R study is almost 50 years old. The bass were netted, transported 3 hours in a holding tank. They were then released into a bay area and a few weeks later caught again on tackle that was made 50-years ago, using the same angling ethics. They threw fish, dropped fish and tried to do what they saw recs doing. That's how they got their 10% number. I'm shocked any of them lived.

Another major point is the implementation of circle hooks. We were told they would drastically reduce mortality. Where is it?

I'm not asking because I want to take more fish. I'm asking because I'm not convinced that we are addressing the problem. We have been playing with seasons, sizes, and quotas for decades, and look at where it's gotten us. Now we think managing the fishery in wave closures is going to help?

I'm not convinced.
 
Here's the really sad part, all of this and it's still a flip of the coin.

The Board will consider action to revise the 2024 recreational seasons and/or size limits and 2024 commercial quotas to achieve a 50 percent probability of rebuilding by 2029
 
Here's the really sad part, all of this and it's still a flip of the coin.

The Board will consider action to revise the 2024 recreational seasons and/or size limits and 2024 commercial quotas to achieve a 50 percent probability of rebuilding by 2029
That is always the sad part. All rebuilding plans coming out of ASMFC are built on that 50% chance of success. Way back when we they got taken to court on one rebuilding plan, a Judge said 50% was good enough...
 
Anyone else here listen to the information session last night? It was actually informative and helped explain the 100+ pages. They stressed that their charter was to answer specific Board questions and they do not make recommendations, the Board as a whole does that.

Here were my takeaways:
  1. The TC was reacting to specific questions from the Board without any consideration of Board habits
  2. Doing nothing brings the anticipated
  3. When asked why they spent so much time on "No Targeting Closures" even though they know that the Enforcement people have always commented that they've always stated these are very difficult to enforce, and the Board has always dismissed them, they were answering the question of how No Targeting Closures could achieve the desired results.
  4. In their regional No Targeting Closures they only analyzed the regional reduction percentages, not the reduction of each individual state.
  5. When asked why they only examined lowering the slot by a couple of inches below 28", and not slots that were below 26-28", the answer was that the Board didn't specifically ask for that and they didn't have enough time to really consider that. Their dataset for their lower slot model was extremely flawed in that they used the 2018 population distribution which means the population was flooded with 2015 fish which were 28". They did admit that a 2025 population distribution would be very different from their 2018 model, but "we didn't have enough time" to consider that.
My Thoughts: This exercise will most likely allow classic ASMFC can kicking and there will be no actions by the Board for 2025. That's a damn shame, but it seems that the Board has an entrenched Mad Magazine credo, "What, me worry?" Here's why:
  • Number 2 above, Do Nothing, brings the SSB tantalizing close to the SSB in 2029 and not to far away all the other options, so members will be loathe to change anything
  • Numbers 3-4 above are probably the death knell for No Targeting.
    • Two folks, including Darth Fote, bemoaned that NJ could be unfairly tasked in regional groupings. When the Board meets next week many individual states will ask for those specific data and if they don't like the answers they will probably call for delay to further analyze the data
    • Enforcement will continue their distaste for "No Targeting" and the Board will follow suit for that reason, and the anticipated outcry from all businesses that support recreational fishing
So remember, your comment letters are due by 12/10 so if you will write them, get on it...
 
I tuned in and was floored. NJ believes that a closure is imminent. Here're some respected captains' feedback:
ASMFC,

I am the owner/operator of the Party Boat Fishermen in Atlantic Highlands, NJ. My family started business in 1958, I personally have been running the business for 48 years now.

In regard to the Striped Bass management issue, I hear a lot of different things. One being that there could be a November closure. If this is true, that would have a devastating effect on not only my business but every Charter & Party boat in the State.
Mid-October into the first 2 weeks of December accounts for 33% of my business, what am I supposed to fish for, blackfish that are already in trouble? I have been bass fishing since 2000, we have always played by the rules including the ridiculous 28-31 inch fish this season!!
Why have no scientist or anyone doing research come out with any of us to see what actually goes on? This season in particular, striped bass are still being caught from Long Island to Sandy Hook down past Cape May. This does not include the fish that migrate beyond the 3-mile limit out to the mud hole and beyond.

I find it astounding that you would actually entertain the idea of putting hard working Americans out of business to justify saving something that has already been saved many times over from what I have seen all these years.
We have NO commercial fishery in NJ for Striped bass, why should we get punished when the fish swim off to the southern states and get decimated?
I know from the past the response will be, we will take it under advisement, and I will be screwed once again. Thank you for your time, Capt. Ron Santee
From Capt Robert Bogan, Rep for United Boatmen NJ and owner party fishing boat Gambler, Pt Pleasant Bch NJ

I can understand the states South of NJ and NY frustration with a lack of striped bass in their waters.

But this is not a striped bass population problem. Like so many other species, striped bass have been migrating further North. The way things are trending, it could be that, in 10 years, the striped bass biomass will be out of the NY bight and mostly in New England waters. This is not a population problem, this is a climate change issue and an issue with Chesapeake Bay pollution. And those Southern states commercial fishery.

NJ and NY do not need to be punished due to the fact that the greater part of the striped bass now winters there.

In the early/mid 90s, when the striper limit for our state was two fish 28", the population exploded within a few years. Now, with stripers, as with other regulated species, when the fishing gets good due to a healthy population, fishermen are expected to take a bigger cut.

Leave regulations in place --or better-- go back to 2 stripers at 28"
 
FWIW, here's my letter that has been sent to ASMFC, all the Maine Striped Bass Board Members, who are proxies and all the Maine State officials who have proxies...

December 7, 2024



Emile Franke, Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission via Email
via Email to Emile Franke
[email protected]

RE: Striped Bass Comments regarding Proposed Striped Bass Management Measures

Dear ASMFC Striped Bass Management Board:

My name is XXXXXXXXXXXX and I’m a recreational fisherman that lives in Maine, having been an avid Striped Bass angler for over 60 years, with the last 15 years up in Maine. I keep copious records of my catch and since the inception of a spreadsheet version of the Maine Volunteer Angler’s Log I have shared my logs with Maine. Over the past 4 years my logs have shown a precipitous decrease in smaller striped bass, fish that previously made up the bulk of my catches. In previous years I have caught striped bass as small as 8 inches, in 2024 I didn’t catch a single fish less than 22 inches, 2 inches longer than my median fish size in 2018! These data irrefutably confirm what the Maryland Young of the Year studies have been showing the past six years; striped bass are in a dire spawning situation and measures need to be taken to ensure that the Spawning Stock Biomass, the only variable ASFMC can control, is brought back up to the minimum target levels by 2029. There’s no doubt that the Board must take management measures in time for the 2025 season to meet the 2029 deadline. Any Board action MUST provide a 14% reduction in fish mortality from both the Recreational and Commercial sectors.

After hearing the different proposals that the Technical Committee has provided the Management Board in regarding how to protect the 2018 fish, our last “decent” spawn, I’m extremely disillusioned and disappointed; the TC’s work has provided no viable path forward for the 14% reduction. They seemed to focus the majority of their efforts on No Targeting Closures for Striped Bass scenarios, which confuses me, as the Enforcement Side of the Striped Bass Board has consistently stated that No Targeting Closures are “very difficult, if not impossible to enforce”. This enforcement evaluation has resulted in the Management Board shying away from them. It’s critical that any fishery regulations need to be considered reasonable to the fishing public. Regulations that are deemed unenforceable by undermanned and underfunded Enforcement Groups will just invite normally well-meaning anglers to ignore them. I realize that the TC was tasked with answering specific Management Board questions, but spending virtually all their time on something that is probably DOA seems a very poor use of their limited time. It almost seems that the Commissioners who asked these questions were looking for an end run of not having adequate time to get things in place for the 2025, propagating the opinion that the ASFMC Striped Bass Board’s favorite management tool is kicking the can down the road.

Another aspect of the No Targeting Closures was the assumption that many folks would still take the same amount of fishing trips, but look towards other species as the trips’ targets. In Maine, where we have ZERO other inshore game fish like tautog, scup, weakfish, fluke, and only an occasional bluefish, this idea of redirected trips is totally wrong. Any trip that would have targeted striped bass in Maine is a trip that won’t happen during a No Targeting Striped Bass Closure! The average duration of the proposed No Targeting Closure scenarios for Maine presented by the TC was 30 days, which represents over 22% of Maine’s historical time that striped bass are in our waters. Therefore, no Targeting Striped Bass Closures would result in ALL the businesses dependent on Striped Bass Fishing losing at least 22% of their income over this closure. That is not an insignificant number, as it will directly impact Charter Boat Operations, Tackle Shops, the Hospitality Industry, Marinas, etc.

A second disappointment with the TC’s analyses was the quick and very incomplete analysis of a different slot. Once again, they stuck with the Management Board’s question about lowering the slot to 26 or 27” to 28” which was deemed inadequate to reduce fish retention enough. That makes sense, but when asking the ASMFC person associated with the analysis the obvious question if slots with high ends at 26” or less were appropriate, the response was “We didn’t have enough time”. More troubling was the fact that the population distribution of fish sizes used in this model were based on the 2018 population assessment! This is totally inappropriate as the population of 2018 had that very strong 2015-year class fish of migratory size in it. If they used a properly modeled population size distribution for 2025, it would have fewer smaller fish in it than the 2018 model, and very few fish in the lower sizes. When looking at this population a slot of 24-26” might provide fewer retained fish by anglers than the current 28-31” slot, enough to get the desired reductions on retention. On a personal note, in 2018, my keeper to catch ratio was 1:300, in 2024, when there were far fewer small fish, it dropped to 1:27. Therefore, using a 2018 population size distribution for forecasting 2025 verges on being statistically disingenuous. When this was brought up at the informational meeting, the answer of “You’re correct, but we didn’t have enough time” raised its head again. Therefore, the statistical folks basically admitted that they couldn’t spend enough time on this potentially critical retention reduction tool for the Board to consider.

Being perfectly blunt, the two tasks the Board asked the TC for provided no feasible, real-world solutions for the Management Board. Unfortunately, getting additional, viable solutions would probably negate the possibility of having enough time to place emergency measures in place for the 2025 season. Sadly, this will just perpetuate ASMFC’s Striped Bass Management Board’s reputation of inaction by a kicking the can down the road.

Yours truly,

Pemaquid, Maine
via Email


cc: Representative Alison Hepler
Director Patrick Keliher, DMR via email
Governor Janet Mills via email
Senator Cameron Reny via email
Stephen Train via email
Megan Ware via email
 
just throwing this out there.
Sell a couple of tags per fisherman with a pin on backtag. One fish a day, slot remains. DEC ECOs could just "bino" and approach those sans tag. Charters could turn away those without.
It works for deer although the backtag requirement is no longer used. I get one or two slots a year off the beach. Most of the gents I met this past fall did all catch and release, and I only saw one or two chunking (a la gut hooking) the whole time I was there. Eliminate November and there is little point in surfcasting (and maybe even boat fishing) at all from Fire Island west.
 
just throwing this out there.
Sell a couple of tags per fisherman with a pin on backtag. One fish a day, slot remains. DEC ECOs could just "bino" and approach those sans tag. Charters could turn away those without.
It works for deer although the backtag requirement is no longer used. I get one or two slots a year off the beach. Most of the gents I met this past fall did all catch and release, and I only saw one or two chunking (a la gut hooking) the whole time I was there. Eliminate November and there is little point in surfcasting (and maybe even boat fishing) at all from Fire Island west.
Great, did you send this idea to anyone who can do something at DEC and/or on the ASMFC Striped Bass Board or do you just like reading your posts and assume policy makers read them too?
 
You really think anyone would even consider my thoughts at ASMFC or DEC ? If so, anyone have some links. Every year I send in my preference for the new rules, and every year I am basically ignored. (Such as who really needs a 27" fluke or a bag limit of as many as four, especially since most anglers are lucky to just get two an outing.) But again, does anyone have a link ?

Just reread the above and realized that I will be at my BIL's wake later and tomorrow and won't be able to send anything unless I get links by 1230hrs today.
 
You really think anyone would even consider my thoughts at ASMFC or DEC ? If so, anyone have some links. Every year I send in my preference for the new rules, and every year I am basically ignored. (Such as who really needs a 27" fluke or a bag limit of as many as four, especially since most anglers are lucky to just get two an outing.) But again, does anyone have a link ?

Just reread the above and realized that I will be at my BIL's wake later and tomorrow and won't be able to send anything unless I get links by 1230hrs today.
You have until 23:59 on 12/10 for comment. The email is: [email protected].

Not a clue who the NY Reps are, nor DEC, that's why Poseidon invented Google...
 
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