Whats going on in the World

WADER
The country has been physically invaded a few times – once during the War of 1812, once during the Mexican–American War, several times during the Mexican Border War, and twice during World War II.
 
WADER
The country has been physically invaded a few times – once during the War of 1812, once during the Mexican–American War, several times during the Mexican Border War, and twice during World War II.
You forget to mention the Aztecs.

Now that must have been something. Not many records of how the Mayan were invaded, conquered and disappeared 700 plus years ago. I am sure they didn't let their invaders in.

History is written by the winners.
 
can you imagine having to live under the threat?

Thank God we don't have hostile neighboring countries that could invade us. I think as Americans we can't process or even begin to understand the anxiety this must be causing for Ukrainians. We've never had to experience this type of senario in our history.

Ukrainians start to grapple with warnings that a Russian invasion is imminent​


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Nevertheless, restaurants in the Ukrainian capital are full, nightlife venues are hopping, parties are in full swing and malls were bustling with weekend shoppers. “Clubs are open, programs and lineups are planned for the whole next season,” said Alisa Mullen, CEO at Strela Booking Agency, told Yahoo News. “Everything will stop only if there is a really serious threat,” and most people she knows “believe that under no circumstances will hostilities take place in Kyiv.”

Artur Mas, PR manager at Dontstop Agency, concurs. “The fairs, the plays, the nightlife continues,” he said. “Life goes on as usual, just with some COVID restrictions.”

Yet for a growing number of Kyiv residents, emergency backpacks with crucial documents, warm clothes and medical supplies are being stashed at their front doors in case of a sudden attack. Sober talks are taking place with families and friends mapping out possible getaway options — whether to the homes of relatives in Europe or to towns located in the western portion of the country, where Russian troops don’t yet pose an immediate threat. Lines are appearing at ATMs. International companies, like Japan Tobacco, are sending their employees home, and editorial boards of newspapers are beefing up their cybersecurity and discussing how to stay safe and report on the war should Russia invade, which, according to the U.S., is an increasingly likely scenario.

"We can’t imagine it exactly,” said Anna Babinets, regional editor for the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project. “Will we have phones or the internet? Will we even have electricity?”

Babinets, her family and her co-workers are heeding the warnings coming from the U.S. that a Russian invasion may be imminent, and they increasingly believe that Kyiv itself with be a prime Russian target, contrary to earlier assessments that Russian President Vladimir Putin’s goal might be to expand in the east or the terrain around the Crimean Peninsula in the south, which has been Russian-occupied for nearly eight years.

“It’s looking very dangerous to us,” she said. “We understand that for Putin to control Ukraine, it’s not about seizing new regions, it’s not about enlarging the Donbas territories in the east,” where, since 2014, proxy fighters have been waging a civil war that’s killed 14,000. “Now they want to control Kyiv.” It’s an idea not shared by many in the capital, she conceded. “There aren’t a lot of people who are preparing or who think an invasion is even possible.”

Recovering from COVID, Kseniya Kharchenko, who works in book production at a Kyiv publishing house, became seriously worried about the safety of staying in the capital on Jan. 10, when bomb threats started being called in to schools in Kyiv. Nearly 200 threats have been made across Ukraine in just the past two weeks, causing evacuations, school closures and trauma among students and teachers. No explosive devices have yet been found, and Kharchenko said news reports indicate that the IPs on those emailed messages are coming from Russia. She believes the threats are Russian mind games designed to keep Ukrainians on edge.

And while she is not panicked, she is wondering if she should leave and worried about how COVID restrictions may affect her ability to evacuate. “I have a car, an apartment, I have my parents, my kid, my ex-husband — I have everything here,” she said. “So if I leave now, and then nothing happens, what will I find when I return? But if I stay here and something happens, then I might die.”

“That’s the main question — how do we know when to leave?” she added. “Because when it’s obvious it’s time to leave, all the borders may already be closed, no aircrafts operating, no cellphone connections. So when is the right time to leave, right now?”


Until last weekend, 30-something copywriter Maria Ivanova, who asked that her real name not be used for this article, had every intention of staying put in Kyiv. The cyberattack that took down 70 government sites two weeks ago was disturbing, but she didn’t worry too much. Even when the Ukrainian government in December called women engineers and medics to register for the draft, she wasn’t anxious. The Russian troops all but encircling Ukraine for months at first didn’t faze her. “We’ve all gotten used to [threats from Russia] because they’ve been going on for eight years,” she said.

But the arrival of tons of arms and anti-armor weapons, Javelins and Stingers — from the U.S., the U.K. and several European NATO countries — made her rethink her plans in the past few days. “The amount of weapons coming from the West to help Ukraine made me think this is serious.” Moved-up NATO exercises soon to start in the Baltic region and the Black Sea have only added to that anxiety.


Like many residents of Kyiv, Ivanova is debating her options. She’s considered heading to the Carpathian Mountains in the west of Ukraine, or leaving the country altogether.

Staying in Kyiv,” she explained, “it's not for the best option for me. If something happens here, like heavy bombarding, I don’t feel that I will survive personally in these conditions.”


She wonders about the thousands of World War II-era bomb shelters across the city, as the government has done little but to show where they are located on a map. “Are they equipped? Are they even open? Who holds the keys?” she asked.

This weekend, Ivanova settled on a plan, purchasing a ticket to fly to Spain on Jan. 31. If she’s able to get out before Russia rolls in, she plans to stay there for a month, until the situation in Ukraine cools down.

But others aren’t at all ready to make that leap.

“I don’t follow the news,” said singer/musician Ira Kushenko, explaining that it makes her too nervous. “I decided not to spoil my mood, since this is politics and they will figure it out without me.” On the one hand, she added, such an attitude “may be irresponsible, but on the other hand, it is much better than panicking and spreading unverified news,” which she suspects is “now pouring in from everywhere. We need to stay calm, I think.”

Betty Endale, who is part of the Afro-Ukrainian hip-hop group Fo Sho, has reached a breaking point. “We are frustrated by what is going on, and just trying to keep our peace,” she said. But what is happening in Ukraine she said is “giving me panic attacks.” Her family also plans to head to Spain, where the government is already talking about sending troops to fight in Ukraine, and which she’s heard is welcoming Ukrainian refugees, who are just starting to trickle in. According to estimates from Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksii Reznikov, if Russia does indeed invade, some 5 million Ukrainians may be seeking a new home in the West.


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People celebrate the Day of Unity in Kyiv on Saturday. (Valentyn Ogirenko/Reuters)
Tell ‘em not to worry. The president of the United States said it’s probably just going to be a “minor incursion”.
 
You forget to mention the Aztecs.

Now that must have been something. Not many records of how the Mayan were invaded, conquered and disappeared 700 plus years ago. I am sure they didn't let their invaders in.

History is written by the winners.
YUP BUT THAT WAS BEFORE THE U.S. which Wader was referring too
 
For sure. feel bad for them.
Like I feel bad for our southern border in the US being infiltrated by Central American unvaccinated migrants. 50K-100K of them a month crossing the border illegally. Gangs bringing in drugs and are all about violence.

Can you imagine what that is doing to our citizens on the border who defend us? Or the folks in cities there and across America that are now seeing an influx in their neighborhoods of these illegals being flown in at 1am under the cover of darkness?

But who cares about that sh!t? Right?

Probably not in Onancock.
for starters - I abor what is going on at the southern border & can't believe it contiues to go on

As far as trying to compare what is about to possibly happen to the ukraine - there is no way in hell you can compare the two.
:rolleyes:

There are no tanks, heavily armed military. or enemy aircraft at either of our borders. We do not have a large heavily arned force (that is roughly more then 3 times the size of the Ukraine forces) sitting there about to cross the border & forcefully take over the country.

No one here is turning over in their minds whether they should flee.
Are you packing up a "safety kit" just in case you need to exit quickly?
Do you see people linning up at banks to withdraw their money?
Worrying about whether the lights & internet are about to be brought down or communications being cut off from the world?
Will food supplies & medicines be available?
Wondering if you should send your children to safetywith family in another country to get them out of harms way.



I don't understand your reply. It's nonsensical.
 
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Why not guarantee Ukraine won't join NATO....you can understand PUTINS apprehension.

The UKES don't like Russians...they welcomed the nazis....Putin wants a buffer zone
 
Why not guarantee Ukraine won't join NATO....you can understand PUTINS apprehension.

The UKES don't like Russians...they welcomed the nazis....Putin wants a buffer zone
posted on page 83 while you were off the site contemplting your navel...
 

REVEALED: The 60,000 US troops already based in Europe that Biden can use to defend Ukraine against Russia: President orders extra 8,500 US-based troops to be on standby to deploy and places USS Harry S Truman under NATO control​

  • As Putin continues to stoke fears he will invade, the U.S. may have to ready its cache of arms in Europe, including 40 warships, 175 aircraft and 90 tanks
  • Military officials have presented Biden with plan to deploy up to 50,000 troops if the security situation deteriorates and Russia launches an invasion into Ukraine
  • There are 64,000 troops who could be called upon throughout Europe, mostly in Germany, Italy and the UK
  • Meanwhile the Biden administration is ordering 8,500 U.S.-based troops to stand ready to deploy to Eastern Europe, the Pentagon announced on Monday
 

REVEALED: The 60,000 US troops already based in Europe that Biden can use to defend Ukraine against Russia: President orders extra 8,500 US-based troops to be on standby to deploy and places USS Harry S Truman under NATO control​

  • As Putin continues to stoke fears he will invade, the U.S. may have to ready its cache of arms in Europe, including 40 warships, 175 aircraft and 90 tanks
  • Military officials have presented Biden with plan to deploy up to 50,000 troops if the security situation deteriorates and Russia launches an invasion into Ukraine
  • There are 64,000 troops who could be called upon throughout Europe, mostly in Germany, Italy and the UK
  • Meanwhile the Biden administration is ordering 8,500 U.S.-based troops to stand ready to deploy to Eastern Europe, the Pentagon announced on Monday
great - just what we need - a shooting war with Russia - what could possibly go wrong?
 
So true....

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When coming home from my brother's place in Richmond last month I saw a carrier & a few of what looked like support ships crossing over the CBBT (Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel) and wondered where they were going, Now I know.


The Truman strike group, which deployed last month and has since been mostly operating in the eastern Mediterranean Sea, includes the Truman itself, nine squadrons of Naval Air Station Oceana-based Carrier Air Wing 1, the Norfolk-based cruiser USS San Jacinto, Norfolk-based destroyers USS Bainbridge, USS Cole, USS Gravely and Mayport, Fla.-based USS Jason Dunham. The Royal Norwegian Navy frigate HNoMS Fridtjof Nansen has been operating with group since last fall, participating in the group’s Composite Training Unit Exercise, or COMPTUEX and then deploying with it from Norfolk.

Last year, destroyers attached to the Norfolk-based USS Dwight D. Eisenhower carrier strike operated in the Black Sea, which lies between Ukraine and Turkey, while the Eisenhower itself provided air support to NATO campaigns against ISIS enclaves in Syria, while operating in the Mediterranean waters south of Turkey and roughly 1,000 miles south of Ukraine.

Meanwhile, six Russian amphibious ships from the Baltic and Northern Fleets, are heading towards the Mediterranean. After rounding the coast of Spain, and transiting the Strait of Gibraltar, they’ll be approaching the NATO ships from the west.

They are to join a Russian Pacific Fleet group also headed for the area from the east, where it has been operating with Iran and China, for wide ranging exercises that will eventually involve 140 ships and more than 10,000 troopers in several areas, according to published reports.
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Sounds like quite the party gathering taking place. The Eastern Mediterranean gonna be a little crowded for awhile.
 
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