Do they think we're idiots!
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OVERBORED
Well-Known Angler
All someone like myself is asking for is that all the entities involved take a pause and look into this issue.
We don't know if new, untested sonar technology is being used. Maybe the waves are stronger affecting much larger areas than previous ones. Maybe drillings are louder and just maybe these animals have a tolerance that has been exceeded.
We don't know. The data we see is from older studies. Same way we don't know how all these wind farms will affect the currents that run along our coast. Will they slow them down? Redirect? Will the bays suffer as a result?
Like you said it gets worse and worse. Once this is done it will be virtually impossible to undo it. Why not take a few months to reassess. The mammoth scale of these projects and the time they will take to get them done makes me sceptical and concerned.
dsedy
Well-Known Angler
Interesting: I was watching The Smithsonian Channel last night: Might Cruise Ships. Season 4 Episode 7 on the Roald Amundsen which is a Hybrid diesel/electric vessel. It was cruising around Antartica taking guests to various places and excursions on the ice pack.
Anyways, towards the end of the segment they approached an area in the sea where a large whale was observed, 1 whale on the surface. the captain, knowing the area harbored more whales, shut down the diesel engines and switched to electric power and soon the ship propelled through the water silently.
Within minutes, a pod of whales surfaced, maybe 7-10 of them. Very smart mammals. Sound is their primary communication and navigation method. External sound, both on and below the surface has an impact on them, whether baleen whales (who's communication is Low frequency) or toothed whales (high frequency) .
www.smithsonianchannel.com
Anyways, towards the end of the segment they approached an area in the sea where a large whale was observed, 1 whale on the surface. the captain, knowing the area harbored more whales, shut down the diesel engines and switched to electric power and soon the ship propelled through the water silently.
Within minutes, a pod of whales surfaced, maybe 7-10 of them. Very smart mammals. Sound is their primary communication and navigation method. External sound, both on and below the surface has an impact on them, whether baleen whales (who's communication is Low frequency) or toothed whales (high frequency) .
Mighty Cruise Ships - Roald Amundsen | Smithsonian Channel
Guests and crew channel the namesake of the Roald Amundsen as they bravely navigate Antarctica's dangerous seas and icy weather to reach beautiful, otherworldly islands.
www.smithsonianchannel.com
hartattack
Angler
". . . his eye caught splashing on the surface of the water over a mile away, a little north of his course, so he steered closer to get a better view. As the Holdfast got nearer he could see that it was a Whale desperately thrashing about on the surface, slapping its tail, and even rolling over at one point. It seemed to him that the whale had surfaced and couldn’t submerge itself, like it was trying to get out of the water. As he drew closer he took video of the hapless mammal as it frantically swam south . . . "
from - Distressed Whale spotted near offshore wind survey vessel – Jim Lovgren
from - Distressed Whale spotted near offshore wind survey vessel – Jim Lovgren
Federal Regulator Acknowledges Danger To Wildlife Caused By Offshore Wind Farms
A federal fisheries council acknowledged that some power cables for offshore wind turbines could harm certain fish, according to a letter seen by the DCNF.
Multiple recent studies have demonstrated that a variety of commercially popular fish can be negatively impacted by their exposure to magnetic fields emitted by high voltage direct current cables, which can confuse their ability to navigate and in some cases leave them exposed to predators.
“We were previously aware of this study and agree that it has concerning implications for the possible effects of high voltage direct current cabling on larval behavior and resulting predation rates,” Thomas Nies, executive director of the New England Fishery Management Council (NEFMC), said in a January 18 letter.
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A panel of experts testifying to members of Congress at an in-district hearing in Wildwood, New Jersey, warned that offshore wind projects actively promoted and subsidized by state and national Democrats could greatly interfere with radar and navigation in the Atlantic Ocean, creating a national security threat.
The panel included environmentalists, fishing industry experts, and advocates with working experience at the Department of Energy. Several noted concerns with maritime territory designated for wind farms apparently getting in the way of Pentagon and NASA operations. Another noted that the farms’ potential interference with ship radar could damage U.S. Coast Guard activities, including rescue missions. Another concern raised was the possibility of cargo ships, particularly those carrying oil or chemicals, being unable to navigate the seas and colliding, causing an environmental catastrophe.
The panel included environmentalists, fishing industry experts, and advocates with working experience at the Department of Energy. Several noted concerns with maritime territory designated for wind farms apparently getting in the way of Pentagon and NASA operations. Another noted that the farms’ potential interference with ship radar could damage U.S. Coast Guard activities, including rescue missions. Another concern raised was the possibility of cargo ships, particularly those carrying oil or chemicals, being unable to navigate the seas and colliding, causing an environmental catastrophe.
wader
Well-Known Angler
We've got another one...........
For the rest of the story scroll over to the left & down to # 5 & click
For the rest of the story scroll over to the left & down to # 5 & click
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Don't worry. It's a natural occurrence. The fact that the govt gave permission to kill these majestic creatures, had nothing to do with these deaths. It's just a coincidence.
It's just keeps getting worse.
captmike28
Well-Known Angler
Who could have seen this coming!!!
Pretty soon we won't need the MPA's (Marine Protective Areas) like California. In the interest of our personal safety, they will just restrict all activity within a thousand miles of their precious windmills!
And to add insult to injury did anyone see the Newsday article yesterday about the extra transmission lines they need to add to the grid to transport all that energy from the windfarms to all us lucky customers? Guess who will be footing the bill for those?
Was it Khruschev who said "we will be selling ourselves the rope with which we will hang ourselves"?
IF THIS DOESN'T STOP THIS LUNACY, NOTHING WILL!
- A joint study by two federal government scientific agencies and the commercial fishing industry documents numerous impacts that offshore wind power projects have on fish and marine mammals, including noise, vibration, electromagnetic fields and heat transfer that could alter the marine environment.
It comes as the offshore wind industry is poised to grow rapidly on the U.S. East Coast, where it is facing growing opposition from those who blame it for killing whales — something numerous scientific agencies say is not true.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management and the Responsible Offshore Development Alliance issued their report Wednesday after a 2 1/2-year-long study of the impacts existing offshore wind projects have on fish and marine mammals.
The goal was to solidify existing knowledge of the impacts and call for further research in many areas.
NOAA and BOEM are among agencies that say there is no link between offshore wind preparation and whale deaths. Their co-authorship of a report detailing potential negative impacts on fish and marine mammals may intensify an already highly politicized controversy.
Asked Friday about the likelihood of this happening, NOAA spokesperson Lauren Gaches reiterated the agency's position that offshore wind is not causing the whale deaths, which remain under investigation.
“We will also continue to explore how sound, vessel, and other human activities in the marine environment impact whales and other marine mammals,” she said.
The fishing industry is concerned that fish near construction sites may be killed or chased away for prolonged periods even after the turbines are built, according to the report.
“Physical changes associated with (offshore wind) developments will affect the marine environment — and, subsequently, the species that live there — to varying degrees,” the report read. ”These include construction and operation noise and vibration, electromagnetic fields, and thermal radiation from cables, as well as secondary gear entanglement.
In an interview, Fiona Hogan, research director for the Responsible Offshore Development Alliance, said: "We wanted to document what was known and not known. As far as we know, this is the first cooperatively developed report that cites all aspects of the potential interactions between fisheries and offshore wind.”
The alliance is a fishing industry group trying to improve the compatibility of offshore wind with fishing operations.
The American Clean Power Association, an offshore wind industry group, said Friday it was still studying the 388-page report.
Andy Lipsky, who oversees the wind energy team at NOAA's Northeast Fisheries Science Center, is a co-author of the report. He said it helps the agencies define the type of monitoring required for long-term study of offshore wind's effects and points out "needed research on how offshore wind energy changes marine habitats and fisheries.”
Several concerns raised in the report mirror many of those raised by opponents of offshore wind, including those who blame preparation for offshore wind farms for killing whales along the East Coast. Since December, 30 whales have washed ashore there.
The report said offshore wind turbines can attract fish and marine life, but also repel them. The large underwater platforms are rapidly colonized by smaller marine life which in turn attracts larger predators to the area. Water cloudiness from turbine operations, noise, vibrations and electromagnetic fields could also make them leave the area.
Hogan said some disagreement remains on whether wind platforms will be a net attraction or deterrent to fish.
Regarding noise, the report said sounds emitted from pile-driving during construction “can be severe, resulting in mortality or injury of hearing tissues.” Noise levels from ongoing operation of the turbines once constructed “are not associated with direct physical injury, (but) long-term exposures may have negative effects on communication, foraging, and predator detection.”
In almost every instance, the report called for additional research. The study only dealt with fixed-location wind turbines; a second study will examine wind projects that float on the water's surface.
The $150,000 survey was funded by NOAA
- A joint study by two federal government scientific agencies and the commercial fishing industry documents numerous impacts that offshore wind power projects have on fish and marine mammals, including noise, vibration, electromagnetic fields and heat transfer that could alter the marine environment.
It comes as the offshore wind industry is poised to grow rapidly on the U.S. East Coast, where it is facing growing opposition from those who blame it for killing whales — something numerous scientific agencies say is not true.
The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management and the Responsible Offshore Development Alliance issued their report Wednesday after a 2 1/2-year-long study of the impacts existing offshore wind projects have on fish and marine mammals.
The goal was to solidify existing knowledge of the impacts and call for further research in many areas.
NOAA and BOEM are among agencies that say there is no link between offshore wind preparation and whale deaths. Their co-authorship of a report detailing potential negative impacts on fish and marine mammals may intensify an already highly politicized controversy.
Asked Friday about the likelihood of this happening, NOAA spokesperson Lauren Gaches reiterated the agency's position that offshore wind is not causing the whale deaths, which remain under investigation.
“We will also continue to explore how sound, vessel, and other human activities in the marine environment impact whales and other marine mammals,” she said.
The fishing industry is concerned that fish near construction sites may be killed or chased away for prolonged periods even after the turbines are built, according to the report.
“Physical changes associated with (offshore wind) developments will affect the marine environment — and, subsequently, the species that live there — to varying degrees,” the report read. ”These include construction and operation noise and vibration, electromagnetic fields, and thermal radiation from cables, as well as secondary gear entanglement.
In an interview, Fiona Hogan, research director for the Responsible Offshore Development Alliance, said: "We wanted to document what was known and not known. As far as we know, this is the first cooperatively developed report that cites all aspects of the potential interactions between fisheries and offshore wind.”
The alliance is a fishing industry group trying to improve the compatibility of offshore wind with fishing operations.
The American Clean Power Association, an offshore wind industry group, said Friday it was still studying the 388-page report.
Andy Lipsky, who oversees the wind energy team at NOAA's Northeast Fisheries Science Center, is a co-author of the report. He said it helps the agencies define the type of monitoring required for long-term study of offshore wind's effects and points out "needed research on how offshore wind energy changes marine habitats and fisheries.”
Several concerns raised in the report mirror many of those raised by opponents of offshore wind, including those who blame preparation for offshore wind farms for killing whales along the East Coast. Since December, 30 whales have washed ashore there.
The report said offshore wind turbines can attract fish and marine life, but also repel them. The large underwater platforms are rapidly colonized by smaller marine life which in turn attracts larger predators to the area. Water cloudiness from turbine operations, noise, vibrations and electromagnetic fields could also make them leave the area.
Hogan said some disagreement remains on whether wind platforms will be a net attraction or deterrent to fish.
Regarding noise, the report said sounds emitted from pile-driving during construction “can be severe, resulting in mortality or injury of hearing tissues.” Noise levels from ongoing operation of the turbines once constructed “are not associated with direct physical injury, (but) long-term exposures may have negative effects on communication, foraging, and predator detection.”
In almost every instance, the report called for additional research. The study only dealt with fixed-location wind turbines; a second study will examine wind projects that float on the water's surface.
The $150,000 survey was funded by NOAA
movetheboat
Well-Known Angler
It's a study on POTENTIAL impact
NOAA spokesperson Lauren Gaches reiterated the agency's position that offshore wind is not causing the whale deaths, which remain under investigation.
In almost every instance, the report called for additional research
So there is no way this is definitive enough to stop it, but at least it is being investigated
NOAA spokesperson Lauren Gaches reiterated the agency's position that offshore wind is not causing the whale deaths, which remain under investigation.
In almost every instance, the report called for additional research
So there is no way this is definitive enough to stop it, but at least it is being investigated
I wish I had as much faith in the Gov't as you. I think they're full of shit. Again, why permit the killing of whales and then deny it's happening?
Are you OK that we keep killing them as we try to figure it out?
This is no coincidence. And why is it taking so long to get the necropsies?
This is a disaster, and while I like you as an angler and a person, I'm saddened that anyone that has spent time both inshore and offshore would be OK with what we are witnessing.
You probably don't realize it, but this is not political, this is real, and it's not fake news. Our once peaceful oceans will soon be a thing of the past. How can you, a rec fisherman be OK with the industrialization of our once temperate oceans? How can you believe the gov't when they tell you it's not them, it's just a coincidence? I just don't get it.
If you can, PLEASE FORGET THE FRIGGIN POLITICS and look at what's happening!
I'm guessing you've done that, and you're OK with killing these majestic creatures. Creatures that have been here long before you and me, yet there are that few like yourself that are OK with it. They trust that this is going to make everything better. But the fact is, it's going to make things worse. The truth is that they are dying at an alarming rate. MORE THAN EVER BEFORE IN HISTORY. EVER
As a recreational angler, you are the biggest threat to this movement. You're all wrapped up in politics. You're OK with the slaughter we're witnessing. You're okay with the fact that t Im confident if this were a conservative admin, you'd be saying just the opposite. You'd be blaming the right!
I wish I were as confident as you that the gov't was doing the right thing. Sorry, I think they're full of shit!
Why is it taking so long for-the necropsies? $$$$. The results will be published when half of the windmills are up, if then.
And this coming from a guy with 35 yrs as a fed, and 28 years plus rotc wearing the green. Was glad I was under the Hatch Act. Would never have to be concerned with openly supporting any of the lying politicos.
And this coming from a guy with 35 yrs as a fed, and 28 years plus rotc wearing the green. Was glad I was under the Hatch Act. Would never have to be concerned with openly supporting any of the lying politicos.
JackPrintMD
Well-Known Angler
How is it we all know the people making these decisions are the Idiots but they keep progressing?
OVERBORED
Well-Known Angler
They're far from idiots.
In fact, it's genius to get government involved in your investment. Oversight becomes an afterthought.(See banking)
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