Exactly...Its the tip of the Iceberg Theory...we only see above the surface (this case on the surface)
Do they think we're idiots!
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At least on a clear night you can see the nightmare ahead of you. What about other low visibility situations like fog, mist, rain? These a-holes will probably spend an even larger percentage of their budget repairing these obstacles when they get hit. In my mind that lack of concern for safety of all species, including ourselves, outweighs any potential benefits they can imagine in their heads.
After seeing the chart you put up the other day with close to 1,000 turbines planned for the NJ/NY bight area and more than 1,000 spanning the entire south shore of LI east and north to Nantucket, I for one am terrified. This will be one of the largest obstacles to safe navigation in maritime history. I wouldn't want to thread a minefield like that on a sunny day much less a pea soup fog!!!
You can see why Ted Kennedy killed the windfarm proposed offshore of his family's compound in Hyannis....
I remember many a night coming into Montauk where you were between the jettys but couldnt see them. Having a windmill on the radar in that kind of fog is sure to make anyone "pucker up"!
I remember coming in thinking we were between the jettys and ended up on GIN BEACH bow first. I was not the pilot and thank God we were just puttering along.
Me and my brother jumped out and pushed the boat back into the water and walked back to the dock and met the boat. We went home and changed into dry clothes and went back out. Though it was daylight then and less foggy
When you couldn't see the lights at Gosmans, you better know your chit!
we couldn't see 3 ft...glad we didn't hit the jetty and that Gin beach being a bathing beach had no or few boulders.....we never spoke of it again
For those interested in which vessels were intensely surveying near Leonardo State Marina in Middletown, NJ where dolphin was stranded today 3/15/23. Go Pursuit and Go Discovery heavily surveyed there all week, unfortunately Go Discovery shut off its AIS for last several days but you can see it was there.
Question? Is it a bad idea istead to build all these new wind farms on Federal Lands that the government does not allow drilling for oil or methane?? I would think all the new infrastructure necessary to transport this new " GREEN" renewable energy source around our country would create a tremendous amount of well paying Union jobs for Americans that want to work. Or I am being foolish?
But they are here to help us!
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I don't think you're being foolish, but at the same time I think it's too late to stop this trane.
Just saw a blurb on the news in which the NJ DEP is blaming climate change which is causing the bait patterns to change, Just saying......
also just throwing this out there....
By
Jaclyn Jeffrey-Wilensky (WNYC-FM)
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Kaitlyn Radde
LISTEN· 4:064-Minute ListenPLAYLIST
People look at a dead, 35-foot humpback whale, in Lido Beach, NY, Jan. 31, 2023. A recent spate of whale deaths along the east coast have fueled misinformation about offshore wind development.
Seth Wenig/Seth Wenig/AP
A dozen dead whales have washed up on New York and New Jersey beaches since December. It's part of a years-long trend in whale deaths up and down the east coast. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is trying to figure out what's going on.
The deaths have led some protesters to call for an end to offshore wind development, saying — without evidence — the sound of the boats and underwater surveying might confuse the whales. Some of those protesters are with the environmental group Clean Ocean Action, but some represent at least one conservative group that opposes offshore wind development.
The Marine Mammal Commission, a federal agency charged with protecting marine mammals, said the deaths are "not new, nor are they unique to the U.S. Atlantic coast."
Sixteen humpback whales alone have stranded along the Atlantic coast this winter. However, the Commission notes "there is no evidence to link these strandings to offshore wind energy development." Many of the deaths are attributed to being hit by ships or getting caught in fishing nets.
NPR host Mary Louise Kelly talks to Jaclyn Jeffrey-Wilensky, a data reporter with member station WNYC, about the whale deaths along the east coast and how they're contributing to misinformation about wind energy.
This interview has been edited for length and clarity.
Tell us more about what's going on.
We've had a number of dead whales washing up on our beaches in the last few months. The most recent one we reported on was just last week in Queens, which had large wounds on its body. NOAA says that's likely from a vessel strike. That's been the case for at least one other whale that washed up recently.
How long has this been happening?
NOAA has been tracking what they call unusual mortality events since 2016. That's the term for when they notice that marine mammals are dying in unexpected ways or significant numbers. Right now on the east coast, they're seeing these events for humpback whales, North Atlantic right whales and minke whales. A lot of these whales die getting struck by ships or tangled up in nets. But it's not 100%.
Over the weekend, there was a rather large protest in New Jersey over the whale deaths. The protesters were calling for a stop to offshore wind development in the area. Is there a connection between whale deaths and offshore wind?
Experts say there isn't.
"At this point, there's no evidence to support speculation that noise generated from wind development surveys could potentially cause mortality of whales," Kim Damon-Randall, director of the NOAA Fisheries Office of Protected Resources, told WNYC.
But some groups — and local politicians — have tried to link the deaths to the wind energy prep work being done in New York and New Jersey waters.
They claim the sound of the boats might confuse the whales, even though the wind surveying is actually less noisy than fossil fuel exploration.
What do we know about the protest groups? Are they environmentalists?
My colleague Nancy Solomon found that some of the people making this claim do belong to an environmental group, but others are just anti-wind power. She discovered that one organization, Protect Our Coast NJ, is connected to a conservative think tank with a long history of opposing clean energy.
If it's likely not offshore wind development, what's driving this spike in whale deaths?
There's no one answer, but experts have some theories. One is that whales may be following prey into waters with more boat traffic, Damon-Randall says.
Damon-Randall says another reason might be climate change. In response to warming oceans, "we are seeing populations move around and go into areas that they haven't historically been in," she says.
There may be more of some whales than there were before. Local humpbacks in particular are no longer considered endangered because of their population growth. More whales can mean more vessel strikes.
What's being done about the vessel strikes and net entanglements that are happening to whales?
NOAA will keep tracking the whale deaths. Large boats are also being instructed to go slow around major ports in the area during winter and spring to reduce the odds of vessel strikes. NOAA is trying to extend those rules to include smaller boats, too.
As for the anti-wind advocates, two Republican congressmen from New Jersey have proposed pausing the offshore wind development and are looking into how it got approved in the first place. But New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy says the work will continue.
Dead whales on the east coast fuel misinformation about offshore wind development
By
Jaclyn Jeffrey-Wilensky (WNYC-FM)
,
Kaitlyn Radde
LISTEN· 4:064-Minute ListenPLAYLIST
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People look at a dead, 35-foot humpback whale, in Lido Beach, NY, Jan. 31, 2023. A recent spate of whale deaths along the east coast have fueled misinformation about offshore wind development.
Seth Wenig/Seth Wenig/AP
A dozen dead whales have washed up on New York and New Jersey beaches since December. It's part of a years-long trend in whale deaths up and down the east coast. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is trying to figure out what's going on.
The deaths have led some protesters to call for an end to offshore wind development, saying — without evidence — the sound of the boats and underwater surveying might confuse the whales. Some of those protesters are with the environmental group Clean Ocean Action, but some represent at least one conservative group that opposes offshore wind development.
The Marine Mammal Commission, a federal agency charged with protecting marine mammals, said the deaths are "not new, nor are they unique to the U.S. Atlantic coast."
Sixteen humpback whales alone have stranded along the Atlantic coast this winter. However, the Commission notes "there is no evidence to link these strandings to offshore wind energy development." Many of the deaths are attributed to being hit by ships or getting caught in fishing nets.
NPR host Mary Louise Kelly talks to Jaclyn Jeffrey-Wilensky, a data reporter with member station WNYC, about the whale deaths along the east coast and how they're contributing to misinformation about wind energy.
This interview has been edited for length and clarity.
Tell us more about what's going on.
We've had a number of dead whales washing up on our beaches in the last few months. The most recent one we reported on was just last week in Queens, which had large wounds on its body. NOAA says that's likely from a vessel strike. That's been the case for at least one other whale that washed up recently.
How long has this been happening?
NOAA has been tracking what they call unusual mortality events since 2016. That's the term for when they notice that marine mammals are dying in unexpected ways or significant numbers. Right now on the east coast, they're seeing these events for humpback whales, North Atlantic right whales and minke whales. A lot of these whales die getting struck by ships or tangled up in nets. But it's not 100%.
Over the weekend, there was a rather large protest in New Jersey over the whale deaths. The protesters were calling for a stop to offshore wind development in the area. Is there a connection between whale deaths and offshore wind?
Experts say there isn't.
"At this point, there's no evidence to support speculation that noise generated from wind development surveys could potentially cause mortality of whales," Kim Damon-Randall, director of the NOAA Fisheries Office of Protected Resources, told WNYC.
But some groups — and local politicians — have tried to link the deaths to the wind energy prep work being done in New York and New Jersey waters.
They claim the sound of the boats might confuse the whales, even though the wind surveying is actually less noisy than fossil fuel exploration.
What do we know about the protest groups? Are they environmentalists?
My colleague Nancy Solomon found that some of the people making this claim do belong to an environmental group, but others are just anti-wind power. She discovered that one organization, Protect Our Coast NJ, is connected to a conservative think tank with a long history of opposing clean energy.
If it's likely not offshore wind development, what's driving this spike in whale deaths?
There's no one answer, but experts have some theories. One is that whales may be following prey into waters with more boat traffic, Damon-Randall says.
Damon-Randall says another reason might be climate change. In response to warming oceans, "we are seeing populations move around and go into areas that they haven't historically been in," she says.
There may be more of some whales than there were before. Local humpbacks in particular are no longer considered endangered because of their population growth. More whales can mean more vessel strikes.
What's being done about the vessel strikes and net entanglements that are happening to whales?
NOAA will keep tracking the whale deaths. Large boats are also being instructed to go slow around major ports in the area during winter and spring to reduce the odds of vessel strikes. NOAA is trying to extend those rules to include smaller boats, too.
As for the anti-wind advocates, two Republican congressmen from New Jersey have proposed pausing the offshore wind development and are looking into how it got approved in the first place. But New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy says the work will continue.
Please stop trying to make this a left right thing. It's all about what this is doing to our beautiful oceans and it's inhabitants.also just throwing this out there....
Dead whales on the east coast fuel misinformation about offshore wind development
February 25, 20235:30 AM ET
By
Jaclyn Jeffrey-Wilensky (WNYC-FM)
,
Kaitlyn Radde
LISTEN· 4:064-Minute ListenPLAYLIST
- Download
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People look at a dead, 35-foot humpback whale, in Lido Beach, NY, Jan. 31, 2023. A recent spate of whale deaths along the east coast have fueled misinformation about offshore wind development.
Seth Wenig/Seth Wenig/AP
A dozen dead whales have washed up on New York and New Jersey beaches since December. It's part of a years-long trend in whale deaths up and down the east coast. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration is trying to figure out what's going on.
The deaths have led some protesters to call for an end to offshore wind development, saying — without evidence — the sound of the boats and underwater surveying might confuse the whales. Some of those protesters are with the environmental group Clean Ocean Action, but some represent at least one conservative group that opposes offshore wind development.
The Marine Mammal Commission, a federal agency charged with protecting marine mammals, said the deaths are "not new, nor are they unique to the U.S. Atlantic coast."
Sixteen humpback whales alone have stranded along the Atlantic coast this winter. However, the Commission notes "there is no evidence to link these strandings to offshore wind energy development." Many of the deaths are attributed to being hit by ships or getting caught in fishing nets.
NPR host Mary Louise Kelly talks to Jaclyn Jeffrey-Wilensky, a data reporter with member station WNYC, about the whale deaths along the east coast and how they're contributing to misinformation about wind energy.
This interview has been edited for length and clarity.
Tell us more about what's going on.
We've had a number of dead whales washing up on our beaches in the last few months. The most recent one we reported on was just last week in Queens, which had large wounds on its body. NOAA says that's likely from a vessel strike. That's been the case for at least one other whale that washed up recently.
How long has this been happening?
NOAA has been tracking what they call unusual mortality events since 2016. That's the term for when they notice that marine mammals are dying in unexpected ways or significant numbers. Right now on the east coast, they're seeing these events for humpback whales, North Atlantic right whales and minke whales. A lot of these whales die getting struck by ships or tangled up in nets. But it's not 100%.
Over the weekend, there was a rather large protest in New Jersey over the whale deaths. The protesters were calling for a stop to offshore wind development in the area. Is there a connection between whale deaths and offshore wind?
Experts say there isn't.
"At this point, there's no evidence to support speculation that noise generated from wind development surveys could potentially cause mortality of whales," Kim Damon-Randall, director of the NOAA Fisheries Office of Protected Resources, told WNYC.
But some groups — and local politicians — have tried to link the deaths to the wind energy prep work being done in New York and New Jersey waters.
They claim the sound of the boats might confuse the whales, even though the wind surveying is actually less noisy than fossil fuel exploration.
What do we know about the protest groups? Are they environmentalists?
My colleague Nancy Solomon found that some of the people making this claim do belong to an environmental group, but others are just anti-wind power. She discovered that one organization, Protect Our Coast NJ, is connected to a conservative think tank with a long history of opposing clean energy.
If it's likely not offshore wind development, what's driving this spike in whale deaths?
There's no one answer, but experts have some theories. One is that whales may be following prey into waters with more boat traffic, Damon-Randall says.
Damon-Randall says another reason might be climate change. In response to warming oceans, "we are seeing populations move around and go into areas that they haven't historically been in," she says.
There may be more of some whales than there were before. Local humpbacks in particular are no longer considered endangered because of their population growth. More whales can mean more vessel strikes.
What's being done about the vessel strikes and net entanglements that are happening to whales?
NOAA will keep tracking the whale deaths. Large boats are also being instructed to go slow around major ports in the area during winter and spring to reduce the odds of vessel strikes. NOAA is trying to extend those rules to include smaller boats, too.
As for the anti-wind advocates, two Republican congressmen from New Jersey have proposed pausing the offshore wind development and are looking into how it got approved in the first place. But New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy says the work will continue.
I was not the author and politics are involved with some of the accusations out there with or without me making it so. Why would we not want to see everything out there? Why be so dead set against any explanation other than the wind mills for which so far there is ZERO proof?
Have the deaths slowed down since they took steps to control ship traffic? I haven't heard much lately. Why are scientists and the DEP not backing the windmill theory and more likely to back the climate change,,,boat traffic....bait pattern theory. Are they all in on some kind of conspiracy?
Whether these windmills are causing all these deaths or not I do agree they are out of place on our oceans, just like oil rigs are. 75% of the worlds surface is water and we have run out of land to deface, hell we are going into national park land to drill now in Alaska in one of the largest untouched pristine pieces of land left to us. It's what we as humans do....screw things up!
Have the deaths slowed down since they took steps to control ship traffic? I haven't heard much lately. Why are scientists and the DEP not backing the windmill theory and more likely to back the climate change,,,boat traffic....bait pattern theory. Are they all in on some kind of conspiracy?
Whether these windmills are causing all these deaths or not I do agree they are out of place on our oceans, just like oil rigs are. 75% of the worlds surface is water and we have run out of land to deface, hell we are going into national park land to drill now in Alaska in one of the largest untouched pristine pieces of land left to us. It's what we as humans do....screw things up!
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Whatever is happening, it's unnatural.
Politics has certainly distorted people's interpretation of this issue.
Whatever is happening, it's unnatural.
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