Coronavirus

[wader]

and it's reports like this that feed the panic.........................

15 MILLION people 'will die in best-case coronavirus scenario'

In the most disastrous scenario, the death toll could reach a staggering 68million including hundreds of thousands of deaths in Britain and the United States (file photo).

www.dailymail.co.uk

In the most disastrous scenario, the death toll could reach a staggering 68million including hundreds of thousands of deaths in Britain and the United States.

In that worst-case pandemic, some countries' economies would shrink by as much as eight per cent in a global meltdown.

"Researchers say that the probability of any of their projected outcomes are 'highly uncertain'."

So why in God's name are they publishing crap like this?

 

[jpd]

So why in God's name are they publishing crap like this?

Click bait

 

[wader]

 

[pequa1]

just got in from the local supermarket.............

Not a bottle of Clorox, or Lysol to be found. Guy stocking the shelves in that aisle said a truck just delivered bleach about two hours ago. They were gone in 20 minutes.

No disinfectant wipes of any kind (Lysol, Clorox, House Brand, etc). And there hasn't even been one reported or suspected case of the virus on the Eastern Shore.

Meh, I have a lot of powdered pool shock but thinking catching it and getting it over with may be the best bet LOL. The only person I heard of who died and did not have "underlying health problems" was the doctor in China who went "public", not something one should ever do in a commie country... I think his particular health issue started with FMJ7.62.
Can't wait to hear all the people complaining about all their discolored and bleached out things...

 

[Roccus7]

and it's reports like this that feed the panic.........................
So why in God's name are they publishing crap like this?

So why pray tell, do you repost it??? Have to have your Sally Field "You Like Me, You Really Like Me!!" Moment???

That's EXACTLY what they want!! Nothing like being a tool...

 

[wader]

So why pray tell, do you repost it??? Have to have your Sally Field "You Like Me, You Really Like Me!!" Moment???

That's EXACTLY what they want!! Nothing like being a tool...

said the hammer to the saw..............................

I posted it because it annoyed me & I posted it with a disclaimer. So why's your underwear in a knot?

 

[george]

So I had to go to the drugstore and there was a guy in there that was obviously Ill. The next thing I know he's being scolded by a young mother with her infant about how he shouldnt be there because that's how the virus spreads. He was in the drug store for God's sake! A lot of people going for medicine are sick. People are losing it.

 

[Roccus7]

Some repost BS stuff to get attention...

Some slam the attention junkies to hopefully make them think twice before future BS propagation...

If you knew it was BS then why call attention to it? Your feigned outrage gambit is just another plea for attention.

With something as critical as COVID-19, I would think folks would only want to post informative, accurate info here, not obvious BS.

You should tell the Brit about your outrage with the Daily Mail and their sensationalist journalistic style. His comment would probably be something quintessentially British along the lines of "No CHIT Sherlock!"

 

[CELLFISH]

 

[wader]

Some repost BS stuff to get attention...

Some slam the attention junkies to hopefully make them think twice before future BS propagation...

If you knew it was BS then why call attention to it? Your feigned outrage gambit is just another plea for attention.

With something as critical as COVID-19, I would think folks would only want to post informative, accurate info here, not obvious BS.

You should tell the Brit about your outrage with the Daily Mail and their sensationalist journalistic style. His comment would probably be something quintessentially British along the lines of "No CHIT Sherlock!"

I posted it because there were discussions going on regarding the panic this is creating – regardless of what your “superior intellect” seemed to be trying to tell you - PERIOD!!

I’m very glad you can read my mind & know my motives.
The only thing here that seems to be craving attention is your need to attempt to feel superior & selectively condescending (once again).

I read this yesterday & ignored it for the obvious reasons.

I started the post by stating “it’s reports like this that feeds the panic” & closed it by asking “why in God’s name are they publishing crap like this!!”

How you can call that spreading BS is beyond my inferior intellect to fathom.

You chose to instead insult me & turn it into a personal attack. You could have simply attacked the publisher – no?

And give me a break about ”how something as critical as COVID-19, I would think folks would only want to post informative, accurate info here, not obvious BS.”

This thread is rife with humor for starters. Why not go after those that dare post something humorous & thereby not meeting your strict standards as to what should be posted here?

Hell. Your 1st post into this thread was all “chuckles” (not to mention a flaunting of a superior intellect others – in your opinion - may apparently be lacking:
“ROTFLMAO at the speculation, and whining and gnashing of teeth already on this topic. My scientific curiosity has me following it, and in my scientific opinion there isn't enough hard data to begin answering the important questions.
However, I guess there's ample speculation to formulate pseudoscience and conspiracy theories.

Please do continue, I'll keep checking back here for comic relief...”

You really need to lighten up Dom.
Try putting down the pretense every once in awhile & come down & join “the Commoners”.

 

[Roccus7]

Try putting down the pretense every once in awhile & come down & join “the Commoners”.

If imparting knowledge gained in 37 years of being in the infectious diseases business is being pretentious, then guilty as charged. I just go apechit when I see stuff I know is total BS being presented. Unfortunately my educational training has imparted a responsibility to defend the truth. AAFMOF, PhDs in Finland are given a sword as a physical reminder that they are responsible to defend the truth. Then again, the pixel can be mightier than the sword.

Here's a prime example of post in this thread that elicited an alinear reaction from me:

California lab says it discovered coronavirus vaccine in 3 hours

An American biotech company says it created a coronavirus vaccine three hours after getting access to the virus' genetic sequence on Jan. 9, and now scientists are racing to get the vaccine on the market in record time.

www.yahoo.com

I know the original post was made to provide hope for a vaccine and the person did not post with any malice. Unfortunately the news release cited in the post was nothing more than a small biotech company trying to drive their price stock up. I hope the SEC followed up with them. They may have, the link is dead now...

Why my outrage??? The title screams BS to anyone even moderately knowledgeable in the field. You can't make a vaccine in 3 hours!!! You can identify a few potential candidate antigens for a vaccine in 3 hrs, but that's light years away from a validated vaccine. Regrettably posting false hopes is tragic, especially with something so charged as COVID-19

That post was a couple of weeks ago. What has happened in that time regarding COVID-19 vaccines? There was some claims we'll see a vaccine "very soon", but recently Tony Fauci said it would be 18 months minimum for a vaccine, IF a vaccine can be made.

Why did the Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases say "IF"? There's a real simple answer to that. There's a very common Coronavirus that all of us have had many, many times in our lives, the Common Cold. The fact that we all keep getting colds and no one has made an effective vaccine against the Common Cold, means that this virus continues to elude putative vaccines that impart lasting immunity.

As far as the Daily Mail article. Hate to say this, but IF everything falls into the "Holy Crap, Perfect Storm Pot", then they wouldn't be too far off. Since we know so little about this bug, the mass of "Hmmmm, that could happen possibilities" give the authors a pretty wide range of journalistic freedom.

The Mail loves to push sensationalist journalism, kind of like a more factual National Enquirer, because it sells papers, and as folks post links to their publications, these type of articles become a clickbait source of revenue for them. If you truly want to point out the BS, then don't include the link, just post the text. This way folks can read it, but not help generate cash to propagate that type of journalism.

 

[jpd]

 

[Rick67]

Hmmm Who drinks that anyway?

 

[movetheboat]

Anyone need hand sanitizer?

 

[CELLFISH]

an Israeli friend sent this... cellie...


I plan to take precautions, but if I do end up catching the coronavirus, I plan to use the “Eyal” approach, nicknamed after my baby grandson. (Not that it’s anything new, but I observed it very clearly in him).

Fever is an ancient, primitive, and nonspecific but effective part of the immune system, one which is sometimes frightening or which may even have side effects, but one which can be effective nonetheless. Frogs have fever, even fish have fever; and there is a reason for this. For what it’s worth, when frogs are infected, they do better when they are permitted to spike fevers as opposed to having their fevers treated. More to the point, last year, a virus was going around our family, and Eyal caught it. After developing a fever of above 40 degrees C (about 104.5 degrees F) for about a day, he got better remarkably fast: the fever defervesced and Eyal was all better after a day. When the same virus that was going around infected others in the family — people who had no fever, lower fevers, or who treated their fevers with medication — their illnesses tended to last closer to a week to a week and a half. So: I decided to try the “Eyal” method for my own next virus. This winter, when I caught the influenza virus (or similar virus), I developed a high fever(around 39 degrees, or 102.5 degrees F) with shaking chills, but I didn’t treat the fever with medicine. I was better after about two days and back to work; whereas others who caught it and used fever reducers were sicker for a log longer. Caveat: It’s true that I tend to have a vigorous immune system, and also, this is certainly not a controlled study! But most microbes, including viruses, are very temperature sensitive: without the right temperature they can’t thrive. So until more specific and effective treatments are found for coronavirus — in the meantime — letting a body “burn out” a virus seems like a reasonable thing to try...

 

[wader]

If imparting knowledge gained in 37 years of being in the infectious diseases business is being pretentious, then guilty as charged.

And that does not give you license to insult & personally attack other members nor does it excuse similar behavior across the site.

 

[movetheboat]

on a lighter note...because we can't do anything else

 

[dsedy]

I haven't opined on this yet but I have been following developments since mid January on Covid-19.

That said, here's my take: Watch what they (governments, municipalities, corporations) actually are doing, not just what they say.

As a preface, it is well known that a BIO Level 4 hazard lab was within 20 miles of the Wuhan seafood market. Bio 4 labs study, research, engineer perhaps, etc... the most lethal viruses. Kind of a coincidence that the outbreak originates in that location? Perhaps not.

Lock downs:
Governments have locked down mass regions across China, Singapore and now Italy. Why lock down communities of 20MM people (in china's instance) if the threat is not more real than led to believe? Italy just locked down the whole Lombardy region, which is in Milan, northern Italy. Schools are closed across Japan. Multiple US cities have declared state of emergencies, NY being the latest. Cruise ships held at sea not aloud to enter ports of destination. Again, if its only as bad, or slightly worse than a common cold, why do this?

Corporations: Major Fortune 500 companies are dusting off their Business Resiliency Plans and are enacted contingency plans now, for employees to work from home, and separating critical business functions across locations (see JP Morgan and the major Investment Banks, Broker Dealers, etc..) This includes the likes of Apple, Facebook and Google, who have directed staff to not travel, and work from home when possible. They have also cancelled, among other corporate companies, most mass events, such as developer conferences and are encouraging various forms of telecommute.

Why? What do the heads of these companies know about the velocity of the spreading of the virus, its potential infection rate and mortality?

Other major concerns:
Supply Chain: Not going to type much, but you'll see, and we are seeing, the beginnings of supply chain constraint. The port of LA shipments off 15% in February 2020 YoY. I was shocked to find out that upwards of 80% of all common antibiotics, aspirin, etc...are formulated (? if that is the right term) put together in China.

Demand: Demand for products produced, packaged in China could also be diminished for fear of virus being transmitted on inorganic objects....this could lead to a continuous feedback loop, where supply is shrinking and demand craters for certain consumer products.

Not be alarmist, and I left a lot of things out, but one must ask WHY are the Gov's, Municipalities, Corps, doing so much if this isn't a really Potentially big deal?

My personal ASSsumption, is that there was some serious virus that was being worked on/studied etc.. in Wuhan, and it got out into the open. China knows it, the US knows it, and the powers that be know it too.

Again, watch what they DO, not what they say.

 

[Roccus7]

I'm waiting for the "They moved Plum Island Lab 257 to Wuhan" stories...

Didn't Dean Koontz have a Wuhan lab link in one of the tales he published in the mid-2000s?

 

[dsedy]

I'm waiting for the "They moved Plum Island Lab 257 to Wuhan" stories...

Didn't Dean Koontz have a Wuhan lab link in one of the tales he published in the mid-2000s?

I think Koontz did but wrote the novel under an assumed name. ??

As for the P4 Lab, also know as the Wuhan Institute of Virology, I'm sure with your back ground you could look them up and see what they were working on, and report back to us.