Wind farm in Montauk

It must be slow if I'm reading about wind farm proposals 35 miles off of Montauk. Ok, can someone explain why this is a bad idea or is it all political?

Assemblyman Thiele Withdraws Support for Wind Farm | The East Hampton Star

From the East Hampton Star

"Assemblyman Thiele Withdraws Support for Wind Farm


By Christopher Walsh | January 24, 2019 - 5:22pm
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The Danish company now behind the South Fork Wind Farm is seeking approvals to bring its transmission cable ashore deep under the Wainscott oceanfront.Orsted. U.S. Offshore Wind
In a statement issued on Thursday, Assemblyman Fred W. Thiele Jr. announced that he had reversed his position and now opposed the South Fork Wind Farm, a 15-turbine installation proposed to be constructed approximately 35 miles off Montauk.
Mr. Thiele's statement cited what he called "the classic 'bait and switch' " on the part of its developer, Orsted. U.S. Offshore Wind, formerly Deepwater Wind. He had given the project his qualified support last year.
A spokesman for Orsted U.S. Offshore Wind said that company was confused by Mr. Thiele's about-face.
In his May 2018 statement, issued as the East Hampton Town Board and the town trustees were debating an easement or lease to the offshore wind developer so that it could bring the wind farm's transmission cable ashore in the town and bury it on a path to a Long Island Power Authority substation, Mr. Thiele expressed his support for renewable energy, including wind power.
"Through legislation, capital investment, and public statements, I have demonstrated support for a clean energy future for eastern Long Island and New York State that is based upon renewable energy," he wrote. "I have also supported producing and conserving energy locally to avoid the need for more above-ground transmission lines to import power to our communities."
His support for offshore wind power in May 2018 should not have been construed as a rubber stamp for every offshore wind proposal, he wrote on Thursday. He referred to the concerns of the commercial fishing industry, which is almost uniformly opposed to the South Fork Wind Farm.
"Since my statement in May, two important changes have occurred," he wrote. One is Deepwater Wind's acquisition by Orsted U.S. Offshore Wind, Denmark's largest energy company and the world's largest offshore wind developer. "Second, shortly after acquisition by Orsted, I have read that the project would utilize larger turbines and that the size of the project would increase from 90 megawatts to 130 megawatts, or a 44 percent increase."
The change in output capacity, Clint Plummer, Orsted's head of market strategies and new projects, had said in November, was a result of advances in turbine technology, with larger and more efficient models developed since the wind farm was first designed. The initial proposal for the installation, made in 2015, was based on 6-megawatt turbines, whereas 8, 10, and 12-megawatt turbines have since become available.
But this, Mr. Thiele said, "is the classic 'bait and switch.' What we were originally told about the project and its goals are no longer true. A project originally proposed by an American company to address the growing energy needs of eastern Long Island, now is to be part of the portfolio of an international energy giant, whose first decision was a 44-percent increase in the size of the project. We are left to imagine what other changes might be made or what other projects might show up on our doorstep in the future. . . . Because of the 'bait and switch' tactics of Deepwater/Orsted, I cannot trust them with my community's future."
He also cited concern about LIPA's "ill-considered policy of denying public access to the Deepwater agreement under the guise of confidentiality," for which he said there is no legitimate basis. He said that he would introduce legislation during the upcoming session "making it clear that these kinds of agreements are subject to the Freedom of Information Act. LIPA can either make the agreement public now or be compelled to make it public when my bill is enacted into law."
A spokesman for Orsted U.S. Offshore Wind said in an email on Thursday, "We are as committed as ever to building an offshore wind farm that the South Fork can be proud of. The South Fork Wind Farm is the most affordable solution for the South Fork's energy needs, and that's a major reason why the community has overwhelmingly supported the project for years. We stand ready to make historic investments in East Hampton, including support of the commercial fishing community."
"Thanks to technology advancements," Orsted's statement continues, "we can now provide even more clean energy to the South Fork, at an even lower price. We've talked publicly about what our new ownership, and our expanded project, mean for Long Island. We've requested multiple times over the course of the last four months to meet with Assemblyman Thiele to brief him on the facts -- that offer still stands. Frankly, we're confused why Assemblyman Thiele was such a strong and vocal supporter of the 90-megawatt project, but now opposes the project when it's capable of producing even more clean energy for his constituents at a lower price."
 
Classic strategy of offshore wind projects, use the old Bait and Switch.

A single, 150' "seasonal" 5 year experimental windmill got most approvals here, but now they're talking about a PAIR of 600' behemoths that would be operating for 20 years. They do it all the time.
 
Lots of controversy about all of the proposed wind farms. IMHO the main problem is that they want to build in shallow water to keep the construction costs down. But most of the fish and fishing structure is also in shallow water and many of the proposals would restrict access to that same shallow water. IMHO, the Block Island wind farm has worked out pretty well. Its producing electric as promised and the fishermen have unlimited access to the area, which has introduced more structure to the area.
 
That's because fo all the taxes the European impose on electricity.
The majority of those 'taxes ' are actually subsidies given back to the renewable Industry ..........
US rate = 13 cents German rate 33 cents .........

US Carbon 'pollution ' has gone down due to increased use of Natural Gas ...... German CO2 'pollution' has increased
 
turn all those vacant potato fields into solar farms........................

They've done that down here. Where I live the economy is all agriculture based. Many farmers not making it farming - so they are using a lot of their land as solar grids. This helps them get by. Have 2000 acres - turn a 1/3 of that solar. They're popping up all over.

And you're not annoying the anglers by restricting ocean space.
 
The majority of those 'taxes ' are actually subsidies given back to the renewable Industry ..........
US rate = 13 cents German rate 33 cents .........

US Carbon 'pollution ' has gone down due to increased use of Natural Gas ...... German CO2 'pollution' has increased

do you happen to have a link for that? I have this German that's been annoying me on another site with how freakin' green they are. That would knock him back a bit...........
 
Watch your electric rates go higher with Solar as well ............
Nat Gas is the answer today , Hydrogen is coming , and when they figure out a reasonable way to store electricity , then Solar may become a real player around here
 
do you happen to have a link for that? I have this German that's been annoying me on another site with how freakin' green they are. That would knock him back a bit...........
I was thinking that too. I don't know how many potato farms are left and what the output of solar is compared to wind turbine. But with all the building going on out here there are going to be more power needs.
 
do you happen to have a link for that? I have this German that's been annoying me on another site with how freakin' green they are. That would knock him back a bit...........
Just google Electric taxes in Germany ,, many of those 'taxes' are in fact subsidies ....
By the way , they predicted a 20 -25 life span on windmills , many are lasting less than 15 years , with a 2% or so annual loss of efficiency......
Are those humungous blades going to end up in landfills ?
 
Cheapest power today is Nat Gas , nothing else comes close ............Maybe someday something better comes along but for today its Nat Gas
 
my electric rates are very reasonable - some might even call them cheap (I do compared to what I was paying in Kings Park).....................

We have a Cooperative. Separate from the rest of VA power grid which is operated by Dominion Energy of Virginia. I don't know exactly what all that means p but my monthly electric bill averages $75. That's for heat. AC, cooking - pretty much everything as my house is all electric.

Goes a little higher in the summer & winter (just got my new bill today for December - it was $87). Granted I use a wood stove for heat in the winter but I was paying $250 in NY along with $200 from oil.

So I went from $450 to roughly $75. Fummy. A/C is cheaper to operate then hot air forced heat.

Some day I have to find out why??
 
I was thinking that too. I don't know how many potato farms are left and what the output of solar is compared to wind turbine. But with all the building going on out here there are going to be more power needs.

that always amazed me when I did the Fall trips out to there on the north fork - where the hell do those people work?
 
Current science is for the use of batteries to store excess Solar / wind .......
These batteries require Cobalt ... A very expensive metal needed in todays Hi Tech batteries ..... Cobalt mining is a very nasty , environmentally and socially .... Congo is the biggest supplier of Cobalt , nasty conditions for the miners , nasty ,nasty , nasty ...
I have a small investment in a Cobalt project in Ontario Canada , so far its been a money pit ........
 
New power plants are being opened as we speak in the Scranton Pa region ... Cheap, plentiful Nat Gas from the Marcellus has transformed the PA economy ............Even the local Community Colleges have energy programs .............
 
Block Island Wind Farms is blamed for rate dramatic increases on the mainland ....
National Grid was 'forced' to buy Wind power at roughly 4 times the rate of power from other sources ............
 
New power plants are being opened as we speak in the Scranton Pa region ... Cheap, plentiful Nat Gas from the Marcellus has transformed the PA economy ............Even the local Community Colleges have energy programs .............

Please do not forget to share all the wonderful things that the Fracking process is contributing to get all of that wonderful Natural gas
 
Please do not forget to share all the wonderful things that the Fracking process is contributing to get all of that wonderful Natural gas
Fracking has been found over and over gain to be 'safe' ... They test local water before , during and after drilling ... Its been studied up the ying /yang by the Obama administration and countless colleges ...............
Nat Gas has reduced pollution in the US significantly and has employed millions .... Plenty of new Chemical plants to be located in the Marcellus region .......
Enjoy using your plastic computer ? Thank a fracker ...........
 
Please do not forget to share all the wonderful things that the Fracking process is contributing to get all of that wonderful Natural gas
Like fishing ? Those rods we all use , the line , the reels all come from Nat Gas ...
All of us with these Fiberglass Boats ? Yup , Nat Gas ...........
Take medicines , yup Nat Gas .
Enjoy our local farm produce ? Thank Nat Gas
Heat our homes ? Ever see smoke belching from chimney ? Thats probably #2 oil or wood , Nat Gas rarely ever gets smokey ...
Like to BBQ with propane ? thanks to the Gas Drillers
Cars , including Tesla's ? Yup thank Nat Gas ....
Rubber fishing boats , waders , gloves , raingear ? Yup Nat Gas
Plastic forks , plates , windows , vinyl windows , vinyl siding ? Thanks to Nat Gas ..
The roads we drive on is commonly asphalt is oil based , so is our driveways .......... [ I would prefer cement roads }
The list goes on and on ,,,,
 
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