Court rules where LI Sound begns and harbor ends

[Scupper]

Seems like a lot of people are willing to spend a lot of money on lawyers to fight over those "unproductive" clam beds.

Well if you know of a 'productive ' spot on that disputed land , let us know , I will inform the fella's and they will be right over ...... These guys are sharp, working as much as 96 foot of pipe 52 weeks a year , The land has been open since the court ruling and NOBODY has worked it , they pass over that barren bottom on their way to the Sound ..............

 

[Roccus7]

The Town's intention to fight the ruling may have nothing to do whether or not it's prime muck. It may be for precedent and/or jurisdictional reasons...

 

[Avenger]

Well if you know of a 'productive ' spot on that disputed land , let us know , I will inform the fella's and they will be right over ...... These guys are sharp, working as much as 96 foot of pipe 52 weeks a year , The land has been open since the court ruling and NOBODY has worked it , they pass over that barren bottom on their way to the Sound ..............

So this guy Murphy who started the whole thing wasn't working in that area? Or is he just not that sharp?

I'm not from there, so I'm not that familiar with the local waters or politics, but if the baymen are ponying up money to fight this in the first place I would think they see some value in it.

 

[Capt13]

The dispute was over the boundary line that defines state and town waters. Part of the oyster farming lease fell within that boundary being moved, putting those leased acres in state waters. I believe there are productive areas other than those leased acres, that are now open to those with a state license. Murphy, from Huntington, was cited for working over the Oyster bay town line. He sued because he felt that line was defined wrong.

 

[Avenger]

So is the disputed area entirely leased, or only a portion of it? The article isn't really clear.

 

[Capt13]

I believe just a portion of it ....... scupper would know.

 

[Jack_Daniels]

The total area in question is about 2,400-acres in size. According to the article, the Town has leased about 450-acres to Flowers from this area.

Courts rule where the LI Sound begins, harbor ends

Baymen called on Oyster Bay officials to move jurisdiction markers for shellfishing beds at the boundary of the Long Island Sound as decided recently by a state appellate court. “I want the markers to

www.newsday.com

"Last month, the New York State Appellate Court, Second Department, upheld a 2016 lower court decision in a lawsuit against the town that ruled the boundary of the Sound runs along a line from Rocky Point in Oyster Bay east to Whitewood Point on Lloyd Neck.

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Oyster Bay had argued that the town’s boundary extended farther north, from Oak Neck Point east to Lloyd Point."

 

[Avenger]

Okay, that makes it clearer, thanks. So I'm guessing that Murphy was not in Flower's lease, but in another part of the disputed area.

 

[Scupper]

The total area in question is about 2,400-acres in size. According to the article, the Town has leased about 450-acres to Flowers from this area.

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Courts rule where the LI Sound begins, harbor ends

Baymen called on Oyster Bay officials to move jurisdiction markers for shellfishing beds at the boundary of the Long Island Sound as decided recently by a state appellate court. “I want the markers to

www.newsday.com

"Last month, the New York State Appellate Court, Second Department, upheld a 2016 lower court decision in a lawsuit against the town that ruled the boundary of the Sound runs along a line from Rocky Point in Oyster Bay east to Whitewood Point on Lloyd Neck.

Oyster Bay had argued that the town’s boundary extended farther north, from Oak Neck Point east to Lloyd Point."

The shoreline from Center Island to Oak Neck , then around to the West almost to Matinicock to about 3/4 of a mile off the beach was also owned by Flowers who bought it roughly 30 years ago from LI Oyster Farms .....
LI Oyster Farms OWNED that bottom and payed property tax on that piece ..., It was sold to Flowers when Oyster Farm shut down ..... Say 15 years ago some of the fellows [ mostly Huntington guys ] found good grounds on the Flowers LIS property [ formerly owned by Oyster Farms ].........
Flowers called the DEC and Cops .......
The State and DEC ruled in favor of the Baymen and they continue to work there to this day .....
Why did the State take the side of the Clammers ? Here it is in non legal terms ... State law basically says that NO DREDGING shall occur on bottom that has 'natural set ' of clams and that was never 'planted' ....
FLowers lost a few thousand acres due to that ruling and the Baymen worked the bottom to this day .........
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The Baymen still contend that it is ILEGAL to dredge 'natural set " clams even inside the Harbor which they 'lease' roughly 1700 acres of PUBLICLY OWNED Town land

 

[Scupper]

Okay, that makes it clearer, thanks. So I'm guessing that Murphy was not in Flower's lease, but in another part of the disputed area.

Murphy a Huntington Bayman , 2nd generation was just North of the disputed Flowers lease on what he believed to be State waters ..The Courts have backed him up and declared that Murph was legally digging ... ...
PS . Once again those who claim that the Flowers portion of the disputed grounds must be fertile , please let us know where those spots are , some of those "Baymen " will be over tomorrow with their families after participating in Memorial Day Services for a BBQ ... I am sure they would be all 'ears' to find some fertile land on the beds that Flowers just lost ..................