Is it me or is this scary?

[pequa1]

Not rethinking anything. Except a tub or two of clam bellies, I haven't bought bait since 2005 and have no desire or reason to go back. Even when I still had a stinkboat I still used Gulp on it and of course on the kayak. I only surfcast with lures. I also do not recall gut hooking a fish on Gulp.

 

[CELLFISH]

this thread may have “opened a can of worms”…

but , aren’t there B&T shops throughout state near freshwater lakes selling Big Night Crawlers… gas stations and motels have Bait Kiosk machines keeping the sport natural and non-synthetic too…
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[CELLFISH]

 

[captmike28]

Does the info in this thread make you re-think the use of plastics???

At least, if you have a favorite, push the manufacturer for data on digestibility???

I have used Gulp and Fishbites. I’m going to ask. In the meantime, despite the cost, I may go back to spearing.

Same thing with bucktails. Pork rinds are no longer available. I may use bucktails like Capt. John Paduano uses.

Actually, Guy, Uncle Josh Pork Rind baits are back on the market again. I do not know the reason for the disappearance several years back, but they are for sale again at several tackle shops here on LI.

 

[Roccus7]

Uncle Josh Pork Rind baits are back on the market again.

Earth shattering news!!! Gotta get me some ASAP!!

 

[BoatGuy]

Actually, Guy, Uncle Josh Pork Rind baits are back on the market again. I do not know the reason for the disappearance several years back, but they are for sale again at several tackle shops here on LI.

Not sure where I read it or if it is true....

But I read to maximize profit and turn over inventory (the pigs), they were sending them to slaughter much younger. The younger pigs did not have the same skin like older pigs and did not make the same quality pork rind. Not sure what changed fir Uncle Josh.

 

[captmike28]

Not sure where I read it or if it is true....

But I read to maximize profit and turn over inventory (the pigs), they were sending them to slaughter much younger. The younger pigs did not have the same skin like older pigs and did not make the same quality pork rind. Not sure what changed fir Uncle Josh.

A quick online search seems to confirm what you have reported Guy. So, it appears that Uncle Josh Pork Rind products are indeed back on the market.

There is no doubt that the original company was highly successful for nearly 100 years and apparently the power of the "Uncle Josh" name is still very strong. So, what I see is the Acme Tackle Co. has reintroduced a product still carrying the Uncle Josh name. I first saw it reappear at Wego B&T last summer, but I did not purchase a jar as I already had a good supply of Fat Cow stirps.

Now I see the same "new style" Uncle Josh products offered at J&H, Bass Pro, and other retailers. So, I will have to pick up a jar myself for this season and see if the quality matches the original pork rind so many of us came to rely upon for a solid Striper bite, among many other applications.

I would be curious to know if anyone else on the board has had a chance to try and compare the "new" Uncle Josh vs. the "old" product.

 

[Roccus7]

I would be curious to know if anyone else on the board has had a chance to try and compare the "new" Uncle Josh vs. the "old" product.

Since I have no real use for it around here, I shipped a couple of jars of "Red" to a North Fork Sharpie who will be providing field bucktailing data from the East End rips come the beginning of the season. Knowing him, he'll open a jar upon receipt and give me initial response...

Stay tuned...

 

[BoatGuy]

A friend if mine was fishing Kensico late last week and as usual, they caught real good. They had a bunch of nice small mouth and a laker that they kept. Upon opening the trout they found this


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Getting back to rubber...


I saw Hogy Sand Eels and wondered if they make a good sand eel replacement. So I emailed Hogy through their website. This was their reply:

Thank you for reaching out to us. We appreciate your business very much!

We have not done any studies on digestibility of the product, but it is a great question. If we are able to compile data, I would be happy to share.

Best,

Capt. Ross G

Director Retail Sales & Service

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[BoatGuy]

Is this of interest to you? Would you chnage based on the replies. I know from replies some will not.
If no interest from you guys, I can use replies for my own use.

 

[pequa1]

Of interest but won’t go back to using defrosted or fresh bait. All fluke and weaks jaw hooked. If gulp came loose it came off in yak. When I am catching, same piece of gulp gets more than one fish. I refuse to believe any of these plastics would digest. I will just make sure i bring home any unusable gulp

 

[BoatGuy]

I refuse to believe any of these plastics would digest. I will just make sure i bring home any unusable gulp

Part of the equation. The ability to pass the plastic is another.

I agree with you and will be surprised if a reply mentions that their product is digestible.

However, they may be able to pass these bait without harm. This is my suspicion as I think we would be finding more fish with these baits inside.

 

[pequa1]

I never open up the guts. Just filet and the rest goes in the trash or sometimes in a garden

 

[CELLFISH]

I never open up the guts. Just filet and the rest goes in the trash or sometimes in a garden

I always open the guts, wanna see what the fish are feeding on, interesting…

even though my apartment is on the 22 floor, clam shells, heads and guts get a short walk to the pier rather than down the chute… a few compost bins are around here too…

i haven’t the heart to do otherwise… cellie…
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[pequa1]

Nah. If pink and shrimp-like doesn’t do it, I try white or chartreuse and minnow like. And i spy on the other boats lol

 

[BoatGuy]

FROM FISHBITES:
When you say worms, which of our products are you referring to? The Fight Lures or our standard cut baits? If you have picture that would be great. What I can tell you is all of our products are made from a water based material opposed to oil based like most artificial baits are made of. Water based products will breakdown where oil based products cannot. All of our baits are non-toxic and biodegradable and are not harmful to fish if swallowed. Fishbites are made of natural ingredients with FDA approved chemicals used in human foods and beverages. The Fight Club lures are made from a hydrogel that is commonly used in the medical industry for internal medicine. Hope this answers your question.

Tight Lines!

 

[pequa1]

Good for them ! But I never bought Fishbites again after mine were easily torn apart. So long as I keep doing what I am doing with Gulp I have no intention of switching until the environmental activists rule. Reminds me of when soft plastics became a hit in what, the 60s ? All of a sudden Plano and other tackle box manufacturers were touting "Wormproof!" and they were not referring to live nightcrawlers. Still have an old box that has a dent in a tray from when a phony worm sat too long there. And again straying from the topic, I think the action we impart is usually more important than scent or color.

 

[george]

FROM FISHBITES:
When you say worms, which of our products are you referring to? The Fight Lures or our standard cut baits? If you have picture that would be great. What I can tell you is all of our products are made from a water based material opposed to oil based like most artificial baits are made of. Water based products will breakdown where oil based products cannot. All of our baits are non-toxic and biodegradable and are not harmful to fish if swallowed. Fishbites are made of natural ingredients with FDA approved chemicals used in human foods and beverages. The Fight Club lures are made from a hydrogel that is commonly used in the medical industry for internal medicine. Hope this answers your question.

Tight Lines!

Interesting. I'm curious what kind of testing they have actually done to know if they are causing harm.

 

[Roccus7]

I never open up the guts. Just filet

I always open the guts, wanna see what the fish are feeding on, interesting…

I'm with Cellie!! NEVER pass up a chance to learn what the fish are dining on!!

 

[pequa1]

not on my pristine kayak ! No longer a stinkboat fisherman with a cooler and livewell, and they usually spit up bits of spearing or grass shrimp anyway. I only fish Gulp on bucks for weaks and fluke until the fall when I surfcast for anything that will hit a lure. As for weaks, first one I catch I paddle home!