It's Time for a new fluke setup.

george

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Hey Lep, it's that time of year again and I never buy anything until getting your take on it.

I know this may come as a surprise, but I'll be staying away from Shimano for a while. I'm very disappointed in their 2500FG as both bail bearings have failed within a year. Also, I have an issue with both reels with the bail closing as I'm casting.

I have found myself going back to the same reel here in Florida and I was curious what you thought about it for our technique of fluking. It's my Abu Garcia Revo SX20. I love that reel.

Is there a model that will work for the type of fluke fishing that we do? If so what would you match it up with?
 
All these new high-performance spinners need more in the way of maintenance than the old Penns and Mitchells from years past. This is because the manufacturers are in an "arms race" to deliver the smoothest cranking reels possible. Fine, but this means that there's ball bearings everywhere, whether they will tolerate repeated SW soakings or not.

For instance (and I'm not singling it out - they ALL suffer from this malady) I have yet to see a new-ish Shimano Stradic that DOESN'T need a new bail line roller bearing to replace a rusty one that grinds or squeaks on retrieve. An easy repair, but why? Well, its the "Bearings arms race." They stick a rustable ball bearing in every possible location - "Its what people want."

No it isn't. People want reliability. Though this isn't the only reason, but those "In the know" will buy a much less expensive Shimano Spheros SW Inshore, which had a Delrin bushing in that location, rather than a dopey ball bearing. Rust-resistant my butt, plastic is way better in that location. This reel is 99% as smooth as the current Stradic FL, w/o the ball bearing-equipped bail nonsense. I REALLY like this reel:


I recommend (and do it myself) a drop of 3-in-1 (blue) or Reel-X oil on either side of a spinning reel's bail roller after every single trip. One or two drops at the bottom of the handle knob too, along with a drop at each of the bail arm pivot points.

You of course know that we spray down the setups after every one of our trips. Heavy spray on the rods, light mist on the reels, right? Well, once I get home, every setup gets further cleaned with a damp shop rag, then the spinners get the foregoing oiling, and the bait casters get a drop on either side of the level wind worm, and a drop at the base of each handle knob. takes about 10 seconds and really helps keep the "rusty bearing syndrome" at bay. Not 100% perfect, but waaay better than not doing it.

This Winter I've had to replace quite a few handle ball bearings on friend's and reel repair client's reels, because of rusted out bearing races. Not always an easy job, because if left too long they tend to galvanically attach themselves to the aluminum handle knob shafts. There's a few tricks to getting them off the shafts, which I will not reveal here. Gotta keep a few things proprietary, ya know? :censored:

Anyway, you asked about a new reel, right? And you mentioned a preference for Abu spinners - so the brand-new 2023 Gen 5 Abu Winch, with its uber-low 4.8:1 gear ratio looks to be a hot tip for where “we” fish. Check it out:

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Look for the “30” size. I covered it at the end of my ICAST review thread:


If not this, then the new Daiwa Tatula MQ is also really nice. Just need the special tool to open it for gear case servicing. Which tool I do not yet own, but eventually will, of course! And no dopey (and VERY expensive) "Mag Seal" ferro-fluid oil to have to track down and replace.


Or do what I did - get yourself a Penn Clash II in the 3000 size and call it a day. This reel is a salt water light tackle tank. Its one of my go-to's for tog jigging as well - along with my Tsunami Evict 3000.

 
As far as new rods go, I really like my new Palmarius SP jigger, and at the $250 Joisey show price it was a steal. If a deal is no longer to be had at that number, then in the "new rod category" the Tackle World (Jigging World) Luminous SP jigger spinning version JW-LUS651S-M as my friend Darryll finally broke down and purchased, is as good as you'll find out there, for "our" purposes at a reasonable price:


Or just keep using your Shimano Grappler ML, its as good as or better than anything else for fluke jigging.
 
As far as new rods go, I really like my new Palmarius SP jigger, and at the $250 Joisey show price it was a steal. If a deal is no longer to be had at that number, then in the "new rod category" the Tackle World (Jigging World) Luminous SP jigger spinning version JW-LUS651S-M as my friend Darryll finally broke down and purchased, is as good as you'll find out there, for "our" purposes at a reasonable price:


Or just keep using your Shimano Grappler ML, its as good as or better than anything else for fluke jigging.
Thanks for the advise. I'm going to try the winch on, my grappler! Can't wait!
 
All these new high-performance spinners need more in the way of maintenance than the old Penns and Mitchells from years past. This is because the manufacturers are in an "arms race" to deliver the smoothest cranking reels possible. Fine, but this means that there's ball bearings everywhere, whether they will tolerate repeated SW soakings or not.

For instance (and I'm not singling it out - they ALL suffer from this malady) I have yet to see a new-ish Shimano Stradic that DOESN'T need a new bail line roller bearing to replace a rusty one that grinds or squeaks on retrieve. An easy repair, but why? Well, its the "Bearings arms race." They stick a rustable ball bearing in every possible location - "Its what people want."

No it isn't. People want reliability. Though this isn't the only reason, but those "In the know" will buy a much less expensive Shimano Spheros SW Inshore, which had a Delrin bushing in that location, rather than a dopey ball bearing. Rust-resistant my butt, plastic is way better in that location. This reel is 99% as smooth as the current Stradic FL, w/o the ball bearing-equipped bail nonsense. I REALLY like this reel:


I recommend (and do it myself) a drop of 3-in-1 (blue) or Reel-X oil on either side of a spinning reel's bail roller after every single trip. One or two drops at the bottom of the handle knob too, along with a drop at each of the bail arm pivot points.

You of course know that we spray down the setups after every one of our trips. Heavy spray on the rods, light mist on the reels, right? Well, once I get home, every setup gets further cleaned with a damp shop rag, then the spinners get the foregoing oiling, and the bait casters get a drop on either side of the level wind worm, and a drop at the base of each handle knob. takes about 10 seconds and really helps keep the "rusty bearing syndrome" at bay. Not 100% perfect, but waaay better than not doing it.

This Winter I've had to replace quite a few handle ball bearings on friend's and reel repair client's reels, because of rusted out bearing races. Not always an easy job, because if left too long they tend to galvanically attach themselves to the aluminum handle knob shafts. There's a few tricks to getting them off the shafts, which I will not reveal here. Gotta keep a few things proprietary, ya know? :censored:

Anyway, you asked about a new reel, right? And you mentioned a preference for Abu spinners - so the brand-new 2023 Gen 5 Abu Winch, with its uber-low 4.8:1 gear ratio looks to be a hot tip for where “we” fish. Check it out:

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Look for the “30” size. I covered it at the end of my ICAST review thread:


If not this, then the new Daiwa Tatula MQ is also really nice. Just need the special tool to open it for gear case servicing. Which tool I do not yet own, but eventually will, of course! And no dopey (and VERY expensive) "Mag Seal" ferro-fluid oil to have to track down and replace.


Or do what I did - get yourself a Penn Clash II in the 3000 size and call it a day. This reel is a salt water light tackle tank. Its one of my go-to's for tog jigging as well - along with my Tsunami Evict 3000.

Hi Ya Pete!
Are you still liking the Penn Clash II?
I was looking them up and stumbled across an on line price for the 2500 for $181 which seems good compared to other prices I see
I would probably be looking to use it skinny water fluking and the think the 2500 is big enough for same rather than the 3000?
Thanks
Mitch
 
Can I recommend the new Tsunami Evict II over the new Clash III? I have both (granted, both are one generation back) and like the Evict better. Both of them are pretty HD reels, that can easily double up at tog reels (that's what I use mine for), but at the expense of heavier weight. If this is intended for shallow water more finnesse-y fishing, I would go in a different direction.

Either the new Shimano Ultegra 2500D, or the Miravel 2500, or if you really do want a metal body, the Speros 3000SW. I do like the new Ultegra, a lot!

The Spheros is what I recommended to Capt. Mike for his fluke/tog fishing and he says its a real nice piece. I'm sure you've seen Mike use it on his boat. A few others of my friends took that same advice and all really like this reel. The advantage of the Spheros 3000SW is the 5:1 gear ratio and the fact that its actually a two-gen back Stradic FK with a blue paint job. Considering that it costs around 55% of what Shimano used to ask for that Stradic, it's actually a best buy.

Miravel:





Ultegra:

 
EDIT to my above post - just remembered that one other advantage of the Spheos 3000SW over pretty much all other Shimnao spinners is that not only is it a 5:1 reel, but it uses the old-school HEG gears, not the delicate "MicroModule II" micro-toothed versions. HEG was bullet-proof. MM II? Not so much, especially for harder-pulling SW fish like tog. I hate reels that go grindy after a couple of seasons.
 
Thanks Pete!
Much appreciated as always
I’ll sort through all of this information and try to digest it 😎
To both Mitch and George,

At Lep's suggestion I do own both a Stradic and Spheros in the 3000 size. The Stradic is a 2017 vintage and the Spheros from 2024.

As Lep mentioned, the bail roller bearing on the Stradic does need a bit more maintenance and I have already replaced that once. From my own perspective the Spheors is nearly identical in weight, feel and smoothness for a lot less coin. I would certainly recommend it too.
 
Just to keep it clean, Mike what you have is a Stradic Ci4+, which was the precursor to its grandchild, the current Vanford A. I have the precursor to your reel, the original Stradic Ci4 - Shimano's "OG" carbon-framed reel. I guess that makes it the great-grandfather :p. All were part of Shimano's evolution in their non-metal frame family which has carried forward to the current Vanford A. Nothing wrong with any them, other than a bit of body flexing at the stem-to-body connection under heavy load, which most guys do not even notice. It's the same "flaw" that my similarly carbon-bodied Daiwa Ballistic LT shares, very slight flex at the stem. Meh, I barely notice it as I use it only for fluke, and I'm pretty picky with my tackle - as you know. :rolleyes:

The current Vanford A, Ultegra, and Miravel from Shimano, and the new Daiwa Ballistic MQ are all "carbon-infused" framed - meaning a fancy word for reinforced plastic. I say who really cares, the Stradic Ci, Ci+, the Vanfords and the Daiwa Ballistic for that matter all weigh several ounces less than their metal counterparts, which could be important for lighter FW and Inshore setups.

As I wrote, I have had the Ballistic LT for several years and this past season purchased and fished the metal-bodied version, called the Procyon LT. A very obvious weight difference between them. Not at all annoying, but its definitely there. Personally I do prefer fishing with the Procyon, as it feels a bit more powerful cranking on a decent fish while utilizing the same gear ratio - but that difference could be in my head, LOL. Sometimes I can overthink this stuff. :unsure:

In summary, it was a bit misleading that Shimano slapped the name Stradic on both of our reels. I guess Shimano originally thought that associating them with the very popular Stradic line would make them more "legitimate" in the eye of the users of these reels. However to be clear, yours and mine are NOT Stradics in the true sense, they are a separate family of reels for which Shimano has finally come clean and dropped the phoney Stradic association and called it something else, currently, the "Vanford A."
 

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