Knots to bucktails

[BoatGuy]

This is regarding tying a knot to a bucktail for a fluke rig with a teaser above it.

I used an improve clinch knot. Then I used a Rapala knot to give the bucktail a bit more action.

I think it was during John Skinners seminar, he recommended an improved surgeon's knot. I like the idea of easy on and off.

Is there any advantage to any of the knots mentioned above?

Thanks!

 

[pequa1]

Funny, I was probably sitting a few guys away from you. I liked how both he and Paduano eschewed the idea of a loop knot. I think the action all comes from the wrist, and not the knot. I am definitely going to try "with teaser' and "without teaser" more often this coming season. The vast majority of my fishing is off my yak and in 12' to 30' of water.

 

[CELLFISH]

just looked for that Rapala knot, seems excessive... cellie...

 

[WhatKnot]

A surgeon loop is good for a teaser.

 

[pequa1]

I think a dropper loop may make the teaser stand away from the main line more ( ? )

 

[Loonzter]

Why not just an anglers clip, theres room for extra jig movement and the benefit of easy on easy off.

 

[pequa1]

I use the paper clip things surfcasting but in the bay they just catch too much weed and slipgut. Occasionally I do use them connecting the mainline to a 4' fluoro leader, but any teaser as well as the bucktail are on a dropper loop and tied, respectively. And somehow I had a surgeon's know loop come off an anglers clip, losing the whole rig. since I powder paint and tie my own bucks and teasers, more of a puzzle than a financial loss.

 

[WhatKnot]

Sorry, meant to say Drooper Loop. I forgot to hit Post.

 

[Leprechaun]

I put a post up on my board detailing how I make up my fluke jigging rig. Take a look when you get a minute!

 

[BoatGuy]

This is regarding tying a knot to a bucktail for a fluke rig with a teaser above it.

I used an improve clinch knot. Then I used a Rapala knot to give the bucktail a bit more action.

I think it was during John Skinners seminar, he recommended an improved surgeon's knot. I like the idea of easy on and off.

Is there any advantage to any of the knots mentioned above?

Thanks!

Sorry, I wasn't specific and now see where I caused confusion. The knot I am referring to is for the bucktail, not the teaser.

 

[BoatGuy]

Funny, I was probably sitting a few guys away from you. I liked how both he and Paduano eschewed the idea of a loop knot. I think the action all comes from the wrist, and not the knot. I am definitely going to try "with teaser' and "without teaser" more often this coming season. The vast majority of my fishing is off my yak and in 12' to 30' of water.

John Paduano is a GREAT fisherman and catches tons of fish. But the idea of application is important. John Paduano snap jigs. In his application the snapping of the rod and the slow drop of the bucktail would not work well with a John Skinner bounce of the bucktail.

So they are both right for their way of fishing. I do use John Skinner's bounce method for fluke with a teaser. Having said that, I have caught many fluke snap jigging when I was going for Bass. Both methods work.

Actually, if I have a wind against tide, I have never had much success notching the motor into gear. I do take off my bucktail and teaser and start to snap jig. Sort of off topic, but since I started the post, I can't highjack myself.

 

[BoatGuy]

I put a post up on my board detailing how I make up my fluke jigging rig. Take a look when you get a minute!

Thank you! And the post made the point. You use a three-turn Surgeon's Loop for the bucktail at the bottom of the rig. And to point cellfish made, it is an easier knot to tie than a Rapala knot.

 

[CELLFISH]

 

[captmike28]

I have successfully used the Anglers Clips to attach my bucktails for years. Whether fishing my shallower drops in the Peconics or the deep water off Montauk, I don't find they pick up any more weed than other rigging solutions.

I do think the clips free swinging approach imparts more action to the lure than most direct line to bucktail connections and they certainly provide a very rapid and simple way to exchange bucktails as weight requirements change.

 

[pequa1]

Fishing where I fish, mainly off the yak, I rarely have to change bucks more than once or twice at most and carry a second rod with a different rig anyway. How many of you snip one end of a dropper loop (near the knot) in order to extend a teaser further out from the leader and if so, have you ever lost a fish by doing so. (Again, I do this to reduce the slip gut. If people would just grow zoysia and stop fertilizing the slipgut etc. probably wouldn't be a problem.)

 

[Loonzter]

Fishing where I fish, mainly off the yak, I rarely have to change bucks more than once or twice at most and carry a second rod with a different rig anyway. How many of you snip one end of a dropper loop (near the knot) in order to extend a teaser further out from the leader and if so, have you ever lost a fish by doing so. (Again, I do this to reduce the slip gut. If people would just grow zoysia and stop fertilizing the slipgut etc. probably wouldn't be a problem.)

it's always difficult to fish for Fluke in Moriches bay in the Springtime, there is just sooo much weed and of course slipgut. My experience has been it really has little effect what knot you tye or how you present your bucktail, that slipgut will wrap itself around everything it comes into contact with. You feel it, remove what you can, and just get back down there. Hopefully somewhere between working that jig and cleaning it off Mr. Fluke will decide its time for a snack! Truly looking forward to this years season, can't wait till the water temp hits 50 and things just bust loose!

 

[buddha162]

it's always difficult to fish for Fluke in Moriches bay in the Springtime, there is just sooo much weed and of course slipgut.

That's pretty shallow water right? I would take the teaser off, go as light as you can on a single jig, and cast up current. Way fewer weeds on the line that way, at least in my experience.

Rapala knot or Kreh's Loop are what I prefer. I made a little video on sizing the knot for optimal jig freedom

 

[chunkster]

I took a 4 foot length of mono leader and tied it to my braid with a double-uni.
On the other end I tied on a tin with a standard clinch. In the center of the
leader I tied a double surgeon's loop for my teaser. I took the teaser and
decided to tie a palomar with the loop. Now I trimmed off both ends of the
double line from one side of the loop. I set my drag accordingly. Where
did the knot fail?

 

[chunkster]

The braid cut into the mono. That's when I started to debate
if I should use a albright or improved albright.

 

[chunkster]

What made you tie the palomar instead of doing a loop to loop connection
to the eye of the hook? I did 10 multi day trips to the canyon in 3 years. while
deep dropping and retrieving for a bait check. 2 times I got picked up mid-
column by mystery fish (tuna). They broke off and split at the loop do to chaffing.