NYS Will Have A Saltwater License - So You Better Get What You can

[george]

While no one has publically supported, suggested or even so much as mentioned it, an NYS Recreational Saltwater Fishing License is right around the corner. The handwriting is on the wall. What do you think?

 

[pequa1]

Any way Princess Andie can make a dollar or two. Contrary to hunting license fees, which support conservation, money for a saltwater fishing license will just supplement Medicaid, food stamps and whatever else goes to people on the dole. (What, you thought they would add boat ramps with it ? Does everyone think that adding reefs by way of old subway cars, the Tappan Zee etc. was for fishing, OR JUST A PLACE TO DUMP NON_BIODEGRADEABLE REFUSE ? )

 

[Chinacat]

Well, a few years back I was one of the dumb asses that bought a lifetime license gambling on the fact that I still have many years of fishing ahead of me and getting the reduced rate seniors license was a ways off in the future so it was most cost effective to go that route.
I was actually not happy when they changed the plan and sent me back my $$$ because I knew this day will eventually come back around again and it will prolly be a whole lot more $$ next time around....

I voted support it (reluctantly) IF guaranteed to support saltwater fishing

 

[captmike28]

George,
Have you heard if this will impact the "Charter/Party" provision that covers our passengers?

BTW, really sorry I missed meeting you at WMHS show. I was extremely busy all day and had no one else to cover my table. Please let me know if you/NY Angler plans to be at other upcoming events. I will make it a priority to meet you then.

 

[george]

George,
Have you heard if this will impact the "Charter/Party" provision that covers our passengers?

BTW, really sorry I missed meeting you at WMHS show. I was extremely busy all day and had no one else to cover my table. Please let me know if you/NY Angler plans to be at other upcoming events. I will make it a priority to meet you then.

No worries about the show, there will be plenty of time in the future to catch up.

All of this is very premature, but there will be a day license available for probably $5, so look for laws like in Ca and Fl and Tx. All anglers may need a day license. A blanket license doesn't get an accurate count of anglers.

Also look for some kind of stamp for bass or multiple species.

 

[PropellerJohnII]

I am a 110 % all for it with conditions. It has to be 100 % dedicated saltwater revenue stream immune forever from the gangsters in Albany. higher fees for non residents, I am 50-50 on Tags for trophy striped bass like tarpon in Florida . But no licenses for charter boat/ party boats. If u think that is unfair, try making a living running a six pack or a party boat. not everyone can own a boat or even a kayak . I have friends who are FL snow birds and a friend who came back to Long Beach, NY from California.he ran a 6 pack . He left Long Beach to go to FL. the snowbirds rave about the fishing in FL. any one here ever fish the Keys? both states have Saltwater licenses with enforcement that has balls . I visited my son in Florida to spend this Christmas down there. We took my grandsons 30 feet behind my son's father in law's house Christmas Eve. You ever see kids feeding ducks at a pond? We were feeding fried turkey scraps and bones to 3 kinds of snappers ,cat fish and a wonky shark. U ever witness up close blues blitzing a bunker pod? thats what it was like. his father in law apologized that because of the cold front that moved in, it was a slow night and the fish are usual much bigger. I have seen shit at Jones Beach piers, Captree Piers and my secret pier in Long Beach of the usual mutts poaching and thieving. use a fair amount of the saltwater license $$ to hire more enforcement with a take no prisoners policy. No excuses, no BS, no " no speak English" , no nothing! sorry for the rant . guess I am not sleeping properly these days. That's my 2 cents.NYS Saltwater license??CIAO,John.

 

[pequa1]

So John, what you are saying is that all customers on charters and party boats would need to have their own license, correct ?
If that's the case, and the license would be a reasonable fee, with lifetimes offered in different amounts for young and seniors, and without the crooks in Albany lining their pockets, and more DEC officers with spines hired, then I would support it. Its those "ifs" that have me against it. I never saw a politico that does not lick his lips with any added revenue stream. If a politician's lips are moving, they are lying.

 

[george]

So John, what you are saying is that all customers on charters and party boats would need to have their own license, correct ?
If that's the case, and the license would be a reasonable fee, with lifetimes offered in different amounts for young and seniors, and without the crooks in Albany lining their pockets, and more DEC officers with spines hired, then I would support it. Its those "ifs" that have me against it. I never saw a politico that does not lick his lips with any added revenue stream. If a politician's lips are moving, they are lying.

I'm going to guess 75% of anglers feel much the same way. It's distrust of government that makes most of us hesitate.

 

[pequa1]

and I worked for "Uncle for 35 years, plus the reserves. Don't trust any of them !

 

[captmike28]

First of all, I too am very suspicious of any government program/licensing scheme that claims they will put the majority of the fees collected back into the targeted fishery. We have all seen far too much corruption over the years to believe that won't happen again. Still, I am also a realist and am not opposed to trying to support the fish, waterways, and all the support mechanisms that allow us to enjoy a day on the water. Hopefully this go around we will have enough truly dedicated managers in charge to make sure that at least a larger percentage of the funds collected will go to the proper places.

Regarding blanket licenses for Charter/Party Boats I must respectfully disagree with John. The dedicated and frequent fisherman will surely have licenses. However, a large part of our trade is made up of the occasional angler who may fish only once a year with their family on vacation. I lived in Florida for a couple of years and anyone who visits there knows that an even bigger part of their Charter/Party Boat customers are tourists due to the year round warm weather.

I'm not sure if you have ever run a small charter operation, John, but the overhead is huge and profit margins very small. The only way I can see this working is if the Captains themselves are allowed to sell a low cost ($5) daily license on the spot to the occasional angler. Sure it would mean even more paoperwork for us but that is still preferable to giving up a valuable portion of our customer base.

 

[Striper_Sniper12]

If the money went back into the fishery I'd be all for it. But I see about a 10% chance of that actually happening.

 

[Avenger]

If the money went back into the fishery I'd be all for it. But I see about a 10% chance of that actually happening.

You sir, are a shameless optimist.

 

[Striper_Sniper12]

You sir, are a shameless optimist.

I see the glass half full... sometimes

 

[Willkeenan28]

The saltwater license should cost $25 and the money should go towards research and conservation of our fishery

 

[pequa1]

My hunting license only costs $22. Hopefully there would be lifetime for juniors and seniors. I know where the money "should" go. But unlike my hunting and gunning fees and taxes, I doubt this fishing fee would ever go towards fishing.

 

[Jenna Lombardo]

How is this going to affect party boats? Are people going to have to pay an extra fee every time they step on a party/charter (unless of course they have already purchased one) or captains going to have to pay a giant cover fee? What about local party boats like captree with tourists and families, especially those who don't know much about the game? Now that's also less of a tip for mates too especially if people are only coming with X amount of cash.

 

[PropellerJohnII]

So John, what you are saying is that all customers on charters and party boats would need to have their own license, correct ?
If that's the case, and the license would be a reasonable fee, with lifetimes offered in different amounts for young and seniors, and without the crooks in Albany lining their pockets, and more DEC officers with spines hired, then I would support it. Its those "ifs" that have me against it. I never saw a politico that does not lick his lips with any added revenue stream. If a politician's lips are moving, they are lying.
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First of all, I too am very suspicious of any government program/licensing scheme that claims they will put the majority of the fees collected back into the targeted fishery. We have all seen far too much corruption over the years to believe that won't happen again. Still, I am also a realist and am not opposed to trying to support the fish, waterways, and all the support mechanisms that allow us to enjoy a day on the water. Hopefully this go around we will have enough truly dedicated managers in charge to make sure that at least a larger percentage of the funds collected will go to the proper places.

Regarding blanket licenses for Charter/Party Boats I must respectfully disagree with John. The dedicated and frequent fisherman will surely have licenses. However, a large part of our trade is made up of the occasional angler who may fish only once a year with their family on vacation. I lived in Florida for a couple of years and anyone who visits there knows that an even bigger part of their Charter/Party Boat customers are tourists due to the year round warm weather.

I'm not sure if you have ever run a small charter operation, John, but the overhead is huge and profit margins very small. The only way I can see this working is if the Captains themselves are allowed to sell a low cost ($5) daily license on the spot to the occasional angler. Sure it would mean even more paoperwork for us but that is still preferable to giving up a valuable portion of our customer base.

I think I was unclear. Just like nowadays, NY charter boats/ party boats cover their customers for the Saltwater license requirements. Mike, does this cost you extra $$ for your charter license? just asking. I meant to say waive the saltwater license fee for customers of charter/party boat captains. And absolutely NO extra $$$ fee ( Not one cent) to be charged to you and all other charter/party boat captains . And no extra paper work either . You shouldn't lose any portion of your customer base then, right? Maybe more customers? ? ? Am i making sense? CIAO, John.

 

[PropellerJohnII]

So John, what you are saying is that all customers on charters and party boats would need to have their own license, correct ?
If that's the case, and the license would be a reasonable fee, with lifetimes offered in different amounts for young and seniors, and without the crooks in Albany lining their pockets, and more DEC officers with spines hired, then I would support it. Its those "ifs" that have me against it. I never saw a politico that does not lick his lips with any added revenue stream. If a politician's lips are moving, they are lying.

No. Please read my reply to Captmike28

 

[PropellerJohnII]

How is this going to affect party boats? Are people going to have to pay an extra fee every time they step on a party/charter (unless of course they have already purchased one) or captains going to have to pay a giant cover fee? What about local party boats like captree with tourists and families, especially those who don't know much about the game? Now that's also less of a tip for mates too especially if people are only coming with X amount of cash.

EXACTLY !!! I would absolutely refuse to support saltwater license fee if it picked the pockets of the charter/ party boat captains. or hurt the mate's tips. Party boats ?

 

[pequa1]

At my age I get easily confused, lol. Why not EVERYONE who fishes, whether off a dock, on a party boat, or off their own kayak be required to have such a license? Why would a party boat customer be treated differently than me when I trailer my Sea Pro or car top my kayak to fish ? Would party boats want to charge an extra fee on a daily basis for each customer ? and this same customer could not fish off a dock legally unless he got that license anyway ? (Of course it could all come down to enforcement or lack thereof.)