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Well, that's one downside to globalization. Another would be urbanization.
TonySmjc
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I’m still baffled by the fact that ppl believe
Any of the bull crap measures employed have slowed it even a drop
Maybe the vaccines and that’s a maybe and the final cost of those is still debatable
But mask as used are bullshit
Distancing is a joke
Only a fool thinks closing restaurants while folks congregate in Home Depot could possibly work
The entire mess is one big dumb cluster fart
Any of the bull crap measures employed have slowed it even a drop
Maybe the vaccines and that’s a maybe and the final cost of those is still debatable
But mask as used are bullshit
Distancing is a joke
Only a fool thinks closing restaurants while folks congregate in Home Depot could possibly work
The entire mess is one big dumb cluster fart
TonySmjc
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I didn’t question there current state of efficacy I do question their longer term viability and what seems to be a never ending stream of upcoming “ boosters”
I said they may have value what I question is a what long term cost
On both the bodies of the young and on the rights of our citizens going forward
Rushed experiments are rarely accurate
Time will tell
I also hate that they sounded the alarm and are. Pushing back and booster for what May at the end of the day turn out to be a beneficial mutation
Jury is still out and folks running around with their hair on fire
any body belive we eradicated Spanish flu
Or more likely it mutated into a less deadly form
nature will run her course call it Darwinism but r what ever else you care to
But she will run her course
I said they may have value what I question is a what long term cost
On both the bodies of the young and on the rights of our citizens going forward
Rushed experiments are rarely accurate
Time will tell
I also hate that they sounded the alarm and are. Pushing back and booster for what May at the end of the day turn out to be a beneficial mutation
Jury is still out and folks running around with their hair on fire
any body belive we eradicated Spanish flu
Or more likely it mutated into a less deadly form
nature will run her course call it Darwinism but r what ever else you care to
But she will run her course
OVERBORED
Well-Known Angler
Polio, smallpox, measles, .........all ran their course?
Coronavirus will keep mutating and if what I'm reading in the science journals is correct, the same people who warned of a SARS pandemic 16 years ago, say there will be worse pandemics in the future.
So lets sit back and hope nature comes up with a solution.
Great strategy ?
Coronavirus will keep mutating and if what I'm reading in the science journals is correct, the same people who warned of a SARS pandemic 16 years ago, say there will be worse pandemics in the future.
So lets sit back and hope nature comes up with a solution.
Great strategy ?
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
Sometimes it’s the only stratagy
smallpox, polio
We’re not corona virus’s
There are a host of reasons you can’t a won’t vaccinate against a corona virus
You won’t eradicate it
oh and by the way I’m not proposing a stratagy just a fact
Sometimes nature must simply run its course
so far the great strategies you support have failed and failed miserably
They arnt so great
Shots ( aka vaccines) that the don’t really stop or cure anything with unknown short and long term effects
Mask tgat ppl don’t use properly and wouldn’t work if they did
Lockdowns that destroy the economy
Money printed and handed out so fast the countries drunk on play money and prices are out of control
Kids uneducated for 1.5 years now playing catch up and failing at that
Great stratagy
Few more years of your great plans we will be asking Greece for a loan and Botswana to help with our education and poverty problems
smallpox, polio
We’re not corona virus’s
There are a host of reasons you can’t a won’t vaccinate against a corona virus
You won’t eradicate it
oh and by the way I’m not proposing a stratagy just a fact
Sometimes nature must simply run its course
so far the great strategies you support have failed and failed miserably
They arnt so great
Shots ( aka vaccines) that the don’t really stop or cure anything with unknown short and long term effects
Mask tgat ppl don’t use properly and wouldn’t work if they did
Lockdowns that destroy the economy
Money printed and handed out so fast the countries drunk on play money and prices are out of control
Kids uneducated for 1.5 years now playing catch up and failing at that
Great stratagy
Few more years of your great plans we will be asking Greece for a loan and Botswana to help with our education and poverty problems
OVERBORED
Well-Known Angler
Vaccination has failed?
Vaccine doesn't stop or cure anything?
There it is.........complete ignorance.
Typical narcissist...........Tell everyone how wrong they are while offering no constructive ideas other than "let nature take its course" BRILLIANT! WHY HASNT ANYONE THOUGHT OF THAT????????.......If we used YOUR strategy (Do nothing), most people over 70 would have died and the average life expectancy would drop 20 years!
Vaccine doesn't stop or cure anything?
There it is.........complete ignorance.
Typical narcissist...........Tell everyone how wrong they are while offering no constructive ideas other than "let nature take its course" BRILLIANT! WHY HASNT ANYONE THOUGHT OF THAT????????.......If we used YOUR strategy (Do nothing), most people over 70 would have died and the average life expectancy would drop 20 years!
Time for some re-edumacation of the assorted group of Nobel Laureate Wannabes here who get their science from places like Fox News, Twitter Feeds, etc.
Hate to break it to you, but vaccines are not SHIELDS like Scotty keeps having to fix on the Enterprise. They are not "Body Armor" that prevents a foreign invader from getting inside your, they work INSIDE of you!!
Once again there are no, no ever been ANY vaccine that is a personal, protective shield, so get off the "you can get it" and "you can pass it along" excuses with the COVID vaccines, that's also a fact for ALL vaccines, which highlights the importance of Herd Immunity. The more unvaccinated folks out there means a larger reservoir for the virus to infect and have fun mutating.
FYI: Your "shields" are PPEs, like masks, the physical barriers to infection...
Since no vaccine is body armor, waning antibody levels are the reason that we get boosters for some like DPT (Diphtheria, Pertussis, Tetanus), COVID, etc., and your puppies get yearly boosters for things like Rabies. I wouldn't consider the annual Flu Shot a vaccine because it is significantly reformulated for specific flu types every year.
But hey, who am I to argue with the "wisdom" that can be found on Twitter Feeds/You Tube Videos/Podcasts of News Pundits, Politicians, and Preachers who exhort their flocks (Yeah you're sheep too!!) NOT to get vaccinated, but have personally been vaccinated, or have succumbed to COVID???
Guess I'll just sit here in my sunroom, sipping my morning coffee while watching the dawn unfold on a beautiful estuary, enjoying a retirement funded by a continuing-career based on viral immunology...
Hate to break it to you, but vaccines are not SHIELDS like Scotty keeps having to fix on the Enterprise. They are not "Body Armor" that prevents a foreign invader from getting inside your, they work INSIDE of you!!
Once again there are no, no ever been ANY vaccine that is a personal, protective shield, so get off the "you can get it" and "you can pass it along" excuses with the COVID vaccines, that's also a fact for ALL vaccines, which highlights the importance of Herd Immunity. The more unvaccinated folks out there means a larger reservoir for the virus to infect and have fun mutating.
FYI: Your "shields" are PPEs, like masks, the physical barriers to infection...
Since no vaccine is body armor, waning antibody levels are the reason that we get boosters for some like DPT (Diphtheria, Pertussis, Tetanus), COVID, etc., and your puppies get yearly boosters for things like Rabies. I wouldn't consider the annual Flu Shot a vaccine because it is significantly reformulated for specific flu types every year.
But hey, who am I to argue with the "wisdom" that can be found on Twitter Feeds/You Tube Videos/Podcasts of News Pundits, Politicians, and Preachers who exhort their flocks (Yeah you're sheep too!!) NOT to get vaccinated, but have personally been vaccinated, or have succumbed to COVID???
Guess I'll just sit here in my sunroom, sipping my morning coffee while watching the dawn unfold on a beautiful estuary, enjoying a retirement funded by a continuing-career based on viral immunology...
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Troubling preliminary observations from South Africa...
A vaccination center on Thursday in Johannesburg, South Africa. Credit... Joao Silva/The New York Times
By Lynsey Chutel and Richard Pérez-Peña
Dec. 2, 2021
A past coronavirus infection appears to give little immunity to the new Omicron variant rippling across the globe, South African scientists warned on Thursday, potentially tearing away one layer of defense that humanity has won slowly and at immense cost.
Just a week after its existence was revealed to the world, the heavily mutated variant, which scientists fear could be the most contagious one yet, is already by far the dominant form of the virus in South Africa and spreading fast, according to officials there. Top European disease experts said Thursday that it could be the dominant form in Europe within a few months.
By Thursday, Omicron had been detected in 25 countries on six continents, and experts say it will soon be in every populated corner on earth. That could mean that a world already battered by two years of pandemic and — until recently — harboring hopes for recovery is instead headed for another wave of cases.
Scientists have known since early in the pandemic that the immunity gained from a coronavirus infection is not total, and probably not permanent, and that some people are reinfected. Even so, with a huge number of people already infected and recovered — about 260 million worldwide that have been detected, and in reality far more, experts say — whatever protection they had looked like an important layer in the world’s defenses.
The new variant calls that into question.
Scientists in South Africa have reported a sudden, sharp rise in November in coronavirus cases among people in that country who had already been infected, in a study that has not yet been reviewed and published by a scientific journal. The authors noted that there was no such upswing when the Beta and Delta variants emerged.
They did not say how many of those reinfections could be attributed to Omicron, but South Africa’s National Institute for Communicable Diseases reported on Wednesday that when it conducted a genetic analysis on a sampling of coronavirus-positive test results from November, almost three-quarters were the new variant.
“Population-level evidence suggests that the Omicron variant is associated with substantial ability to evade immunity from prior infection,” the authors of the unpublished study wrote.
In an online briefing held by the World Health Organization’s regional office for Africa, South African scientists presented a blunter version of the same conclusion, simply based on the country’s raw numbers: About 40 percent of the population has had the coronavirus and about 30 percent has been at least partially vaccinated (though there is no doubt some overlap), and yet the number of new cases is soaring.
“We believe that previous infection does not provide them protection from infection due to Omicron,” said Anne von Gottberg, a microbiologist at the communicable disease institute.
South Africa has the world’s fastest-growing caseload, though the figures are small compared to those in many other countries. In the first half of November, it was averaging about 260 reported new cases a day. On Tuesday, the figure was over 4,300, the highest in months. It jumped to more than 8,600 on Wednesday, and to more than 11,500 on Thursday.
The Omicron variant has dozens of genetic mutations not seen together before in the virus, and scientists say that the number and type of changes suggest that it is much more transmissible than earlier forms, though solid proof of that is still lacking.
In fact, many crucial questions about the variant remain unanswered: Does prior infection protect against serious illness, if not against infection? Do existing vaccines provide strong immunity to it? Is the illness it causes usually milder, as some early reports have suggested?
It will take weeks for answers to start emerging, but even in their absence, many governments around the world are taking action, imposing new restrictions on travel, particularly from southern Africa, and stepping up vaccination and testing efforts. South Korea announced on Thursday that all travelers arriving in the country must quarantine for 10 days, including fully vaccinated South Koreans, who had been exempted.
On Thursday, President Biden outlined a strategy that includes new family vaccination sites, booster shots for vaccinated adults and widespread availability of at-home virus tests, free to consumers. With Omicron cases in the United States being reported, he introduced a new requirement that any international traveler to the country show a negative test result from a sample taken within a day of departure.
German leaders on Thursday agreed to exclude unvaccinated people, except those who have recently recovered from a coronavirus infection, from much of public life, barring them from bars, restaurants, most stores and other venues. And Olaf Scholz, who will become the new chancellor next week, said he will try to mandate vaccination for all adults. That would make Germany the second country in Europe to do so, after Austria.
The Greek Parliament on Thursday voted to require vaccination for people over 60.
Europe is already suffering through its biggest pandemic wave yet, driven by the Delta variant, previously the most infectious form of the virus. Fewer people are getting seriously ill and dying than a year ago, before vaccines were rolled out, but the surge has been enough to strain health care resources yet again, and has forced several countries to backpedal on their return to normal life.
Hundreds of Omicron cases have been found in Europe already, and the rapid spread has raised fears it will prolong the current wave. The early evidence suggests that Omicron “may have a substantial growth advantage over the Delta” variant, the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control reported on Thursday.
“If this is the case,” it said, “mathematical modeling indicates that the Omicron VOC is expected to cause over half of all” coronavirus infections in the European Union “within the next few months.”
Prior Infection Is Little Defense Against Virus Variant, Scientists Say
Evidence from South Africa, where the Omicron variant already dominates, shows a high rate of reinfection of people who have already had the coronavirus.
A vaccination center on Thursday in Johannesburg, South Africa. Credit... Joao Silva/The New York Times
By Lynsey Chutel and Richard Pérez-Peña
Dec. 2, 2021
A past coronavirus infection appears to give little immunity to the new Omicron variant rippling across the globe, South African scientists warned on Thursday, potentially tearing away one layer of defense that humanity has won slowly and at immense cost.
Just a week after its existence was revealed to the world, the heavily mutated variant, which scientists fear could be the most contagious one yet, is already by far the dominant form of the virus in South Africa and spreading fast, according to officials there. Top European disease experts said Thursday that it could be the dominant form in Europe within a few months.
By Thursday, Omicron had been detected in 25 countries on six continents, and experts say it will soon be in every populated corner on earth. That could mean that a world already battered by two years of pandemic and — until recently — harboring hopes for recovery is instead headed for another wave of cases.
Scientists have known since early in the pandemic that the immunity gained from a coronavirus infection is not total, and probably not permanent, and that some people are reinfected. Even so, with a huge number of people already infected and recovered — about 260 million worldwide that have been detected, and in reality far more, experts say — whatever protection they had looked like an important layer in the world’s defenses.
The new variant calls that into question.
Scientists in South Africa have reported a sudden, sharp rise in November in coronavirus cases among people in that country who had already been infected, in a study that has not yet been reviewed and published by a scientific journal. The authors noted that there was no such upswing when the Beta and Delta variants emerged.
They did not say how many of those reinfections could be attributed to Omicron, but South Africa’s National Institute for Communicable Diseases reported on Wednesday that when it conducted a genetic analysis on a sampling of coronavirus-positive test results from November, almost three-quarters were the new variant.
“Population-level evidence suggests that the Omicron variant is associated with substantial ability to evade immunity from prior infection,” the authors of the unpublished study wrote.
In an online briefing held by the World Health Organization’s regional office for Africa, South African scientists presented a blunter version of the same conclusion, simply based on the country’s raw numbers: About 40 percent of the population has had the coronavirus and about 30 percent has been at least partially vaccinated (though there is no doubt some overlap), and yet the number of new cases is soaring.
“We believe that previous infection does not provide them protection from infection due to Omicron,” said Anne von Gottberg, a microbiologist at the communicable disease institute.
South Africa has the world’s fastest-growing caseload, though the figures are small compared to those in many other countries. In the first half of November, it was averaging about 260 reported new cases a day. On Tuesday, the figure was over 4,300, the highest in months. It jumped to more than 8,600 on Wednesday, and to more than 11,500 on Thursday.
The Omicron variant has dozens of genetic mutations not seen together before in the virus, and scientists say that the number and type of changes suggest that it is much more transmissible than earlier forms, though solid proof of that is still lacking.
In fact, many crucial questions about the variant remain unanswered: Does prior infection protect against serious illness, if not against infection? Do existing vaccines provide strong immunity to it? Is the illness it causes usually milder, as some early reports have suggested?
It will take weeks for answers to start emerging, but even in their absence, many governments around the world are taking action, imposing new restrictions on travel, particularly from southern Africa, and stepping up vaccination and testing efforts. South Korea announced on Thursday that all travelers arriving in the country must quarantine for 10 days, including fully vaccinated South Koreans, who had been exempted.
On Thursday, President Biden outlined a strategy that includes new family vaccination sites, booster shots for vaccinated adults and widespread availability of at-home virus tests, free to consumers. With Omicron cases in the United States being reported, he introduced a new requirement that any international traveler to the country show a negative test result from a sample taken within a day of departure.
German leaders on Thursday agreed to exclude unvaccinated people, except those who have recently recovered from a coronavirus infection, from much of public life, barring them from bars, restaurants, most stores and other venues. And Olaf Scholz, who will become the new chancellor next week, said he will try to mandate vaccination for all adults. That would make Germany the second country in Europe to do so, after Austria.
The Greek Parliament on Thursday voted to require vaccination for people over 60.
Europe is already suffering through its biggest pandemic wave yet, driven by the Delta variant, previously the most infectious form of the virus. Fewer people are getting seriously ill and dying than a year ago, before vaccines were rolled out, but the surge has been enough to strain health care resources yet again, and has forced several countries to backpedal on their return to normal life.
Hundreds of Omicron cases have been found in Europe already, and the rapid spread has raised fears it will prolong the current wave. The early evidence suggests that Omicron “may have a substantial growth advantage over the Delta” variant, the European Center for Disease Prevention and Control reported on Thursday.
“If this is the case,” it said, “mathematical modeling indicates that the Omicron VOC is expected to cause over half of all” coronavirus infections in the European Union “within the next few months.”
movetheboat
Well-Known Angler
I was just reading that
OVERBORED
Well-Known Angler
movetheboat
Well-Known Angler
THIS IS SERIOUS!!!
By Reuters
|
Dec. 3, 2021, at 1:18 p.m.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...limits-on-bars-home-visits-over-omicron-fears
Ireland Places Limits on Bars, Home Visits Over Omicron Fears
By Reuters
|
Dec. 3, 2021, at 1:18 p.m.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...limits-on-bars-home-visits-over-omicron-fears
Snapprhead27
Well-Known Angler
Me and Jenn and a bunch of friends were supposed to be going in April. I may have to withdraw.
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
Monopoly no
But at least I don’t follow the bullshit
You really pay little attention except to what the test tube nerd tells you
That you pay close attention to
This variant was born outside of humans
There no evidence it’s much more than a cold
You refuse to recognize anythingthose things that you think keep you in the smart club
And the test tube nerd leads you around by the nose
Time will tell , with this variant but it is starting to look not so much as a bad thing but a good thing
A variant that’s little more than a cold
Chicken little the skys not falling
And
Keep crying wolf until nobody pays you any mind , because that’s exactly where this is headed
But at least I don’t follow the bullshit
You really pay little attention except to what the test tube nerd tells you
That you pay close attention to
This variant was born outside of humans
There no evidence it’s much more than a cold
You refuse to recognize anythingthose things that you think keep you in the smart club
And the test tube nerd leads you around by the nose
Time will tell , with this variant but it is starting to look not so much as a bad thing but a good thing
A variant that’s little more than a cold
Chicken little the skys not falling
And
Keep crying wolf until nobody pays you any mind , because that’s exactly where this is headed
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
A know lots of ppl with very big degrees that disagree with the nerd
Lots with them that are fools and lots without that are brilliant
sometime having that degree and being in that environment isn’t a plus but a blinding minus
this I think falls into that category
The fear of being called names and being looked down on also tends to heard ppl up into the smart , socially accepted camp another phenomena I think is happening here
this isn’t going away it’s going to be what it’s going to be but at this moment if all the variants in the future are like this one we will be ok
And don’t for a second believe there won’t be more, all prevailing wisdom says covid here to stay
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
So what else is new
I’m sure you only watch cnn as well
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