Suffix 131
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12 thinner PE fibers instead of 7 wrapped around the Gore-Tex core. Smoother, more supple, and of course more expensive. Not as costly as the best JDM-market 16-fiber lines, Like Hitena, Sufix, and Gosen offer, for example, but not "832-range priced," for sure. Some of those ultra premium lines get crazy expensive, like over $90 to fill a small jigging reel.
The Japanese high-end slow pitch crowd gladly pay it, as such lines are super-thin as well as crazy strong for their diameter, and are said to retain more knot strength, vs lesser lines. I guess jigging in 400' of water with a 150-gram jig requires every part of their tackle to be the very best, in order to properly execute the technique - and land the fish.
I will get around to trying this new Sufix product, once I have to reload a reel that would be appropriate for it. Maybe I can put it on a fluke jigging reel, down the line.
I discussed some of this braided-line voodoo in the Daiwa Catalina reel discussion thread - I think it starts around post #19 in that thread.
Here: Daiwa Catalina TW 100P - A really good Dealeo on a top-shelf baitcasting reel, - but you gotta move FAST!
Also, I touched on this line in my ICAST discussion here:
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The Japanese high-end slow pitch crowd gladly pay it, as such lines are super-thin as well as crazy strong for their diameter, and are said to retain more knot strength, vs lesser lines. I guess jigging in 400' of water with a 150-gram jig requires every part of their tackle to be the very best, in order to properly execute the technique - and land the fish.
I will get around to trying this new Sufix product, once I have to reload a reel that would be appropriate for it. Maybe I can put it on a fluke jigging reel, down the line.
I discussed some of this braided-line voodoo in the Daiwa Catalina reel discussion thread - I think it starts around post #19 in that thread.
Here: Daiwa Catalina TW 100P - A really good Dealeo on a top-shelf baitcasting reel, - but you gotta move FAST!
Also, I touched on this line in my ICAST discussion here:
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movetheboat
Well-Known Angler
These braids are getting so thin and smooth I'm having a hard time with line to leader knots
I agree. My eyes ain't what they used to be, that's for sure. The use of brightly colored line has greatly aided my ability to see the line while tying knots, as well as clearing tangles with my boat-mates who insist on using low-vis green and grey lines. Yep, gotta make sure those wiley-wascle fluke don't see the main line. . . 
What my research has shown is that one has to be careful when comparing USDM braided line diameters/breaking strength to JDM-marketed lines. The Japanese lines are rated for MAXIMUM breaking strength, whereas our lines are generally rated to not break until well past the rated pound test. In other words the MINIMUM pull it will withstand, before parting.
This is why 20lb Sufix 832 appears to be so strong (and relatively thick). Its not that its some kind of super line, its that 20lb 832 breaks at approx 35+ pounds of direct pull. So in essence it really could be rated as 35lb test, in the Japanese fashion.
Similarly, the Gosen X8 line that we (you and I, I mean) have loaded on our Catalinas is truly "20lb test," and will break right around 20lbs of pull. Not much more than that - which is how its engineered - and so rated. This is why its so very thin, compared to 832. So, in actuality, it would be a more fair comparison to put the Gosen 20lb test up against maybe 12lb 832.
I have come to believe that a fairer way to compare one braid to another is by diameter, instead of rated strength. But even there, there's so much B/S from the manufacturers as to the real line diameter of their braids vs what it actually measures out to, that its next to impossible to properly compare line diameters, one line to another. I know, a "First World" problem. Again.
In our case, never fear, the Gosen 20lb we chose is more than strong enough to stand up to obstructed bottom fluke jigging. It will easily pull a snagged jig free, without breaking if the jig is free-able, that is. Couple this with the super-thin line thickness that really cuts through the water column, and excellent behavior on the spool and whilst fishing, its turned out to be quite a nice line - for deep fluke fishing, that is.
What my research has shown is that one has to be careful when comparing USDM braided line diameters/breaking strength to JDM-marketed lines. The Japanese lines are rated for MAXIMUM breaking strength, whereas our lines are generally rated to not break until well past the rated pound test. In other words the MINIMUM pull it will withstand, before parting.
This is why 20lb Sufix 832 appears to be so strong (and relatively thick). Its not that its some kind of super line, its that 20lb 832 breaks at approx 35+ pounds of direct pull. So in essence it really could be rated as 35lb test, in the Japanese fashion.
Similarly, the Gosen X8 line that we (you and I, I mean) have loaded on our Catalinas is truly "20lb test," and will break right around 20lbs of pull. Not much more than that - which is how its engineered - and so rated. This is why its so very thin, compared to 832. So, in actuality, it would be a more fair comparison to put the Gosen 20lb test up against maybe 12lb 832.
I have come to believe that a fairer way to compare one braid to another is by diameter, instead of rated strength. But even there, there's so much B/S from the manufacturers as to the real line diameter of their braids vs what it actually measures out to, that its next to impossible to properly compare line diameters, one line to another. I know, a "First World" problem.
Again.In our case, never fear, the Gosen 20lb we chose is more than strong enough to stand up to obstructed bottom fluke jigging. It will easily pull a snagged jig free, without breaking if the jig is free-able, that is. Couple this with the super-thin line thickness that really cuts through the water column, and excellent behavior on the spool and whilst fishing, its turned out to be quite a nice line - for deep fluke fishing, that is.
My mantra for line thickness and knots is not to use anything that I couldn't tie basic knots in during a bass blitz. So my minimum braid "size" is equivalent to 8 lb test Stren mono, which means 30 lb Suffix 832 and line ends with a snap swivel tied with a Palomar Knot.
Since my leaders involve a Rapala knot on the lure end, and they don't pass the "Blitz Test", I have a minimum of 3 always pre-rigged with me. The line end of the swivel has a swivel tied on with a Palomar.
I'm toying with looking at 131, but not until it's available in 1000 yd spools, I refuse to use backing in the possible, albeit slim, chance that I get slammed by a BFT. I want that extra 3 seconds to fire up the outboard.
Have you looked at MaxCuatro? I have it in 40lb test on two of my blackfishing setups - seems pretty small in diameter to me. Slightly smaller than 40lb 832, anyways. Not a PP fan at all, but this stuff is pretty good.
For a super thin braid that over tests and is reasonably priced the Berkley X-9 IS A VERY GOOD PRODUCT.When it comes to abrasion resistance you need thicker diameter.The thinner you make something the easier it cuts.The bottom line is you need more material.Ive tried some expensive JDM braids also and found the same thing,Theres only so thin you can go with out having issues.Ive been a high vis braid guy for years,just makes everyones life easier and the fish don't care even with only 3' of mono leader.
I have tried Berkley X-9 tog 20 lb tog Jigging and found its just way to thin and cuts much easier then Sufix 832 20 lb.I bumped up to 30 lb X-9 and have had good results.Its thin as 10 lb 832 and which allows me to get the jigs down and I can crank the drag more with the 30 allowing me to get a big tog in.Although it can be tough to break when snagged in the rocks using a light spinning reel..My 40 lb mono leader to the jig usually pops which is ideal.
Ive also used the 15 lb X-9 on my spinner on NANTUCKET SHOALS and with a little casting I can hold with 2 oz bucktail as others are using 10 oz or more.Theres almost no rough bottom up there so you rarely get snagged.So the shoals are a ideal place for using a super thin braid.Biggest problem you may have there is a giant greaser bluefish or doggies..For all around fishing in and around rough structure its hard to beat the good ole sufix 832 though and holds up better then any of the super thin lines in my opinion.
I have tried Berkley X-9 tog 20 lb tog Jigging and found its just way to thin and cuts much easier then Sufix 832 20 lb.I bumped up to 30 lb X-9 and have had good results.Its thin as 10 lb 832 and which allows me to get the jigs down and I can crank the drag more with the 30 allowing me to get a big tog in.Although it can be tough to break when snagged in the rocks using a light spinning reel..My 40 lb mono leader to the jig usually pops which is ideal.
Ive also used the 15 lb X-9 on my spinner on NANTUCKET SHOALS and with a little casting I can hold with 2 oz bucktail as others are using 10 oz or more.Theres almost no rough bottom up there so you rarely get snagged.So the shoals are a ideal place for using a super thin braid.Biggest problem you may have there is a giant greaser bluefish or doggies..For all around fishing in and around rough structure its hard to beat the good ole sufix 832 though and holds up better then any of the super thin lines in my opinion.
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Rod, for blackfish I have 35lb Cortland Blackspot on my reels. I always use lighter stuff 20lb and under for fluke. Love the feel of the 832 in 10 or 20lb. Put 20lb x9 on my spinner and just dropped 15 x9 on a new Accurist I just got and will try next spring/summer. I liked the feel of the 20lb x9 look forward to using the 15lb x9.
Rob - I agree with your analysis. I also selected 30lb X-9 for my own new tog "jigging" spinning setup, so great minds must think alike.
I have 20lb X-9 on my deep jigging fluke spinning combo - zero issues in two seasons. Great, great line.
Still think 832 is the best all-around line on the market. Price:Utility ratio is hard to beat.
I have 20lb X-9 on my deep jigging fluke spinning combo - zero issues in two seasons. Great, great line.
Still think 832 is the best all-around line on the market. Price:Utility ratio is hard to beat.
Joe - that Cortland line is about the thickest stuff on the market - and goes back to the days of Tuffline XP and that gen of older braids. I bet it over-tests in the 50-100% range. Very tough line - but very hard to fish with in a strong current, like out East, for instance.
movetheboat
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I'm moving my bLACKFISH braid up tp 30lb 832......will 150yds fill a evicta 3000 IF ANYONE KNOWS OFFHAND??? thanks!!
With the 832 you are better off sticking with the 20 lb.The 30lb Sufix,the diameter increases to .29mm and you want to fish the lightest jig possible,thats getting on the beefy side for diameter when trying to fish light jigs.If your fishing any area with some current the thicker braid is going to add resistance scope your line further out and force you to use a heavier jig and that's never good.Not always but a heavier jig equals less fish in the boat,if the fish picks up the jig and feels the weight they often drop it.This is finesse light tackle fishing,you have to expect losing some fish when you choose to fish this way,The BerkleyX9 line is much thinner then sufix and that's why I bumped up to 30 lb.
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Snapprhead27
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I put 50lb x9 on my Daiwa Saltist 20 for Tog.
Thank you Pete I knew it was thicker didnt know it was that thick. I'll look into 832 which I love fir the fluke reels.
Occh639
Angler
Put some mono backing on it and the 150 yds should be fine
My Evict 2000 takes 150 yds of 20lb X-9.
I think your 3000 would be good to go with 150 yds of 30lb 832 - maybe with a touch left over.
movetheboat
Well-Known Angler
thank you Pete and Occha 639
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The biggest problem these day is availability. My local shops don’t have much left in stock and say orders aren’t being fulfilled. I like to feel before I purchase. Ordered hooks in amazon and it took a week to get here. But mainly because I like to support my local that I don’t buy from big box stores
I used daiwa x-4 20 lb test last weekend tog jigging and popped the 40 lb Seaguar leader twice at the swivel before the braid snapped.
I used daiwa x-4 20 lb test last weekend tog jigging and popped the 40 lb Seaguar leader twice at the swivel before the braid snapped.
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