Tax season

Take a close look at the effective tax rate for a year before to a year after the tax code change. Take into account whether your income went up or down too. The reason I suggest that is refund / pay at 4/15 is merely a reconciliation each year. They changed the withholding amounts in Feb 2018 for 2018 and there was a bunch of confusion regarding which table etc. And lots of people said zippo as they saw their net pay go up each payroll. The problem - the withholding table reduced the federal withholding each period. So guess what? Refund reduced or even payment due. Overall tax did not change (actually went down) but less was withheld during the year. So 4/15 the battle cry was "Oh my GOD, my refund went down so taxes must have gone up."

The idea was to add more dollars into folks hands immediately. Big mistake for those who spent the extra money each pay period, and ALSO counted on the refund at 4/15 to fund something in their world.

Just a timing issue and poor money management.

That's why I added the ? to my comment.

I attached an older article which sheds a little light on the subject.

IRS Releases New 2018 Withholding Tables To Reflect Tax Law Changes
Thanks for the insight
I do not believe my take home pay went up proportionately to what I lost on my refund

I happen to be one of those weirdos that prefers a refund to getting the $$ up front and spending it when it comes in.
We got pretty good at budgeting our finances for the year and using the refund to make lump payments towards the mortgage, car loans, college savings account, etc. so not getting that changes everything....

Are you an accountant??
 
Thanks for the insight
I do not believe my take home pay went up proportionately to what I lost on my refund

I happen to be one of those weirdos that prefers a refund to getting the $$ up front and spending it when it comes in.
We got pretty good at budgeting our finances for the year and using the refund to make lump payments towards the mortgage, car loans, college savings account, etc. so not getting that changes everything....

Are you an accountant??
I like tax conversations. It's a trigger. LOL
 
Let me know how much depth you want on this topic.

....

If I understand, assuming you would have made the charitable contribution anyway, rather than withdraw from your IRA and contribute to charity, have the administrator make the contribution for you . That seems to make sense.
 
Wow, this sucks!!

Your Investment Lost Money Last Year. So Why the Big Tax Bill?

When you invest and where matters for taxes. But a few rules of thumb can stave off some nasty surprises, our columnist says.

Tax planning is usually the least of my financial concerns. Most of the time, just making a living, paying the bills and salting away money in suitable investments are much bigger deals.

But this is a special time of year. Tax season has begun, and brokerages and fund companies are sending out tax forms that the Internal Revenue Service requires for this year’s returns. A lot of them contain bad news.

Nearly everyone lost money in the markets last year — yet many people with investments in taxable accounts are just learning that their money-losing holdings are also generating tax bills. It may seem unjust, but under current rules, when a fund manager sells stocks and bonds that have appreciated in value, or when the fund pays out dividends and interest, these tax liabilities are passed along, even if your investment in the fund lost money.

What’s more, if you bought a fund shortly before it passed along taxable distributions in late December, you will have a tax liability for the fund’s activity over the entire year — even for the months when you did not own the fund.

“That’s an enormous problem with the structure of the markets now,” said Jeremy Roseberry, chief executive of FairShares, a financial services firm in Florida. “It needs to be fixed.”
For individual investors, there’s little you can do except consider issues that could make your future tax obligations less onerous.

The details are mind-numbing, but they matter. If you don’t pay close attention, you could end up with a nasty surprise.

Losses Plus Taxes​

Consider that the S&P 500 lost more than 18 percent in 2022, including dividends, yet more than two-thirds of stock mutual funds made capital gains distributions, setting off potential tax liabilities for investors, according to Russell Investments estimates. Those distributions amounted, on average, to 7 percent of the investments in the funds — causing problems for anyone who held them in taxable accounts.

Many funds had long-term gains from the fabulous rallies of previous years, and as the market fell, managers sold securities that had run up in value. Those sales were “tax events.” If you bought a fund last year and held it in a taxable account, there is a good chance that you had the worst of both worlds: investment losses plus tax liabilities.

Some of these liabilities are eye-popping.

The Delaware Sustainable Equity Income Fund lost almost 6 percent last year, yet it made a capital gains distribution worth 60 percent of the fund’s total assets in December. Depending on your individual tax situation, as a shareholder you might have to pay 20 percent of the value of that distribution — or 12 percent of your investment — to the I.R.S. in capital gains tax.

That happened because the fund transformed itself in the middle of the year. Until August, it was the Delaware Ivy S&P 500 Dividend Aristocrats Index Fund. Then it shifted to an environmentally “sustainable” focus, the company said in an email, and its fund managers sold highly appreciated assets of companies that no longer fit its mandate, like Exxon Mobil, Chevron and Sherwin-Williams.

For a variety of funds, income from stock dividends and bond yields produced tax liabilities, too, even when a fund’s share price fell and investors lost money.

Where To Hold Them​

These tax issues are widespread because most American households own mutual funds or exchange-traded funds, investment pools that can cut down on individual risk by providing immediate diversification. I prefer low-cost index funds that mirror the entire global stock and bond markets, but there are many other varieties, including those that are actively managed, or that make narrower bets on sectors or markets.

Whatever funds you use, the most straightforward way to avoid unpleasant surprises is to hold your investments in tax-sheltered accounts such as individual retirement accounts and 401(k)s. As long as your funds remain in these shelters, said Bryan Armour, who directs research into strategies based on index funds at Morningstar, the headaches I’m describing won’t apply to you.

“You want to take full advantage of tax-sheltered accounts,” he said in an interview. “A lot of these tax issues won’t affect you if you do.”

Defining Terms​

Tax-sheltered accounts have become commonplace in the United States since the 1970s, largely as a replacement for the precious commodities that were already disappearing then: pension plans in which employers, not employees, bore the main responsibility for financing retirement; and higher education that families could afford without taking on exorbitant debt.

Tax-sheltered accounts don’t replace these social jewels. But if you work for a living, or have done so, and want to live reasonably well in the current world, you will want to explore the head-spinning range of tax-sheltered accounts.

Their unfortunate names are often borrowed from the I.R.S. tax code: 401(k), 403(b) and 457 workplace savings accounts, and 529 college savings accounts. Sometimes, they are mainly known by abbreviations — like I.R.A.s and H.S.A.s. (health savings accounts).

And some come in both “traditional” and “Roth” flavors (named after Senator William V. Roth Jr., a Republican from Delaware). The difference is that when you invest in, say, traditional accounts, you can immediately reduce your income taxes that year but will owe taxes later, when you withdraw the money. In Roth accounts, it’s the reverse: You don’t get a tax break for putting money into the account, but you won’t owe tax later.

How They Protect You​

Here’s the crucial thing. What all of these tax-sheltered accounts generally do very well is insulate you from taxes on dividends, interest income and capital gains, as long as you hold your investments inside them.

So if you have a choice, try to emphasize tax-efficient funds in taxable accounts. Here’s more jargon: Exchange-traded funds (which can trade on the stock market all day) tend to be better, from a tax standpoint, than traditional mutual funds, Mr. Armour said. Index funds, which merely track markets, are typically more tax efficient than actively managed funds, which tend to trade more frequently. Bond funds and high-dividend stock funds tend to be less tax efficient than simple stock index funds.

All that said, having the resources to locate assets in specific accounts for tax efficiency is a great luxury. “Many people don’t have this choice,” said Joel Dickson, the Vanguard executive who leads the company’s tax planning research.

“Relatively few Americans have large investments in both taxable and tax-sheltered accounts,” he said. Just invest as intelligently as you can, he suggested, and try to emphasize tax-sheltered accounts. Core investment issues — should you own a particular fund, and if so, how much of it — are often more important than tax considerations.

Watch Out​

Still, if you hold mutual funds within taxable accounts, watch for events that could set off tax liabilities. Abruptly shifting a fund’s focus, as the Delaware fund did last year, is a signal of potential trouble.

By October, fund companies usually indicate whether their funds are likely to be making large taxable distributions in December. You may want to avoid buying a fund that is about to do that, or you may want to sell shares if you already hold it and see big tax liabilities coming. Sometimes, it makes sense to sell if a fund’s value has declined so you can use that loss to offset other tax liabilities. That’s “tax harvesting.”

Unfortunately, these aren’t straightforward issues because simply by selling a fund, you may create a tax event for yourself — and have a liability for capital gains in the shares of the fund. Buying and holding funds for a decade or more is what I try to practice, and abrupt sales will defeat that strategy.

Sometimes, trouble is hard to foresee.

Last year, for example, when Vanguard cut costs for corporate retirement plan investors in target date funds, it inadvertently set off capital gains liabilities for investors who held these funds in taxable accounts. The company faces litigation in connection with the issue, and it has paid $6.25 million as part of a settlement with a Massachusetts regulator. Vanguard declined to comment.

These issues suggest that even careful, long-term investors need to be watchful, and even then, they may run into problems. There is plenty of room for regulatory reform, Mr. Roseberry of FairShares said. “We should have an efficient and transparent system, and, clearly, we don’t.”

For now, though, investors need to work within a flawed, complex system.

Welcome to tax time.
 
Wow, this sucks!!

Your Investment Lost Money Last Year. So Why the Big Tax Bill?

When you invest and where matters for taxes. But a few rules of thumb can stave off some nasty surprises, our columnist says.

Tax planning is usually the least of my financial concerns. Most of the time, just making a living, paying the bills and salting away money in suitable investments are much bigger deals.

But this is a special time of year. Tax season has begun, and brokerages and fund companies are sending out tax forms that the Internal Revenue Service requires for this year’s returns. A lot of them contain bad news.

Nearly everyone lost money in the markets last year — yet many people with investments in taxable accounts are just learning that their money-losing holdings are also generating tax bills. It may seem unjust, but under current rules, when a fund manager sells stocks and bonds that have appreciated in value, or when the fund pays out dividends and interest, these tax liabilities are passed along, even if your investment in the fund lost money.

What’s more, if you bought a fund shortly before it passed along taxable distributions in late December, you will have a tax liability for the fund’s activity over the entire year — even for the months when you did not own the fund.

“That’s an enormous problem with the structure of the markets now,” said Jeremy Roseberry, chief executive of FairShares, a financial services firm in Florida. “It needs to be fixed.”
For individual investors, there’s little you can do except consider issues that could make your future tax obligations less onerous.

The details are mind-numbing, but they matter. If you don’t pay close attention, you could end up with a nasty surprise.

Losses Plus Taxes​

Consider that the S&P 500 lost more than 18 percent in 2022, including dividends, yet more than two-thirds of stock mutual funds made capital gains distributions, setting off potential tax liabilities for investors, according to Russell Investments estimates. Those distributions amounted, on average, to 7 percent of the investments in the funds — causing problems for anyone who held them in taxable accounts.

Many funds had long-term gains from the fabulous rallies of previous years, and as the market fell, managers sold securities that had run up in value. Those sales were “tax events.” If you bought a fund last year and held it in a taxable account, there is a good chance that you had the worst of both worlds: investment losses plus tax liabilities.

Some of these liabilities are eye-popping.

The Delaware Sustainable Equity Income Fund lost almost 6 percent last year, yet it made a capital gains distribution worth 60 percent of the fund’s total assets in December. Depending on your individual tax situation, as a shareholder you might have to pay 20 percent of the value of that distribution — or 12 percent of your investment — to the I.R.S. in capital gains tax.

That happened because the fund transformed itself in the middle of the year. Until August, it was the Delaware Ivy S&P 500 Dividend Aristocrats Index Fund. Then it shifted to an environmentally “sustainable” focus, the company said in an email, and its fund managers sold highly appreciated assets of companies that no longer fit its mandate, like Exxon Mobil, Chevron and Sherwin-Williams.

For a variety of funds, income from stock dividends and bond yields produced tax liabilities, too, even when a fund’s share price fell and investors lost money.

Where To Hold Them​

These tax issues are widespread because most American households own mutual funds or exchange-traded funds, investment pools that can cut down on individual risk by providing immediate diversification. I prefer low-cost index funds that mirror the entire global stock and bond markets, but there are many other varieties, including those that are actively managed, or that make narrower bets on sectors or markets.

Whatever funds you use, the most straightforward way to avoid unpleasant surprises is to hold your investments in tax-sheltered accounts such as individual retirement accounts and 401(k)s. As long as your funds remain in these shelters, said Bryan Armour, who directs research into strategies based on index funds at Morningstar, the headaches I’m describing won’t apply to you.

“You want to take full advantage of tax-sheltered accounts,” he said in an interview. “A lot of these tax issues won’t affect you if you do.”

Defining Terms​

Tax-sheltered accounts have become commonplace in the United States since the 1970s, largely as a replacement for the precious commodities that were already disappearing then: pension plans in which employers, not employees, bore the main responsibility for financing retirement; and higher education that families could afford without taking on exorbitant debt.

Tax-sheltered accounts don’t replace these social jewels. But if you work for a living, or have done so, and want to live reasonably well in the current world, you will want to explore the head-spinning range of tax-sheltered accounts.

Their unfortunate names are often borrowed from the I.R.S. tax code: 401(k), 403(b) and 457 workplace savings accounts, and 529 college savings accounts. Sometimes, they are mainly known by abbreviations — like I.R.A.s and H.S.A.s. (health savings accounts).

And some come in both “traditional” and “Roth” flavors (named after Senator William V. Roth Jr., a Republican from Delaware). The difference is that when you invest in, say, traditional accounts, you can immediately reduce your income taxes that year but will owe taxes later, when you withdraw the money. In Roth accounts, it’s the reverse: You don’t get a tax break for putting money into the account, but you won’t owe tax later.

How They Protect You​

Here’s the crucial thing. What all of these tax-sheltered accounts generally do very well is insulate you from taxes on dividends, interest income and capital gains, as long as you hold your investments inside them.

So if you have a choice, try to emphasize tax-efficient funds in taxable accounts. Here’s more jargon: Exchange-traded funds (which can trade on the stock market all day) tend to be better, from a tax standpoint, than traditional mutual funds, Mr. Armour said. Index funds, which merely track markets, are typically more tax efficient than actively managed funds, which tend to trade more frequently. Bond funds and high-dividend stock funds tend to be less tax efficient than simple stock index funds.

All that said, having the resources to locate assets in specific accounts for tax efficiency is a great luxury. “Many people don’t have this choice,” said Joel Dickson, the Vanguard executive who leads the company’s tax planning research.

“Relatively few Americans have large investments in both taxable and tax-sheltered accounts,” he said. Just invest as intelligently as you can, he suggested, and try to emphasize tax-sheltered accounts. Core investment issues — should you own a particular fund, and if so, how much of it — are often more important than tax considerations.

Watch Out​

Still, if you hold mutual funds within taxable accounts, watch for events that could set off tax liabilities. Abruptly shifting a fund’s focus, as the Delaware fund did last year, is a signal of potential trouble.

By October, fund companies usually indicate whether their funds are likely to be making large taxable distributions in December. You may want to avoid buying a fund that is about to do that, or you may want to sell shares if you already hold it and see big tax liabilities coming. Sometimes, it makes sense to sell if a fund’s value has declined so you can use that loss to offset other tax liabilities. That’s “tax harvesting.”

Unfortunately, these aren’t straightforward issues because simply by selling a fund, you may create a tax event for yourself — and have a liability for capital gains in the shares of the fund. Buying and holding funds for a decade or more is what I try to practice, and abrupt sales will defeat that strategy.

Sometimes, trouble is hard to foresee.

Last year, for example, when Vanguard cut costs for corporate retirement plan investors in target date funds, it inadvertently set off capital gains liabilities for investors who held these funds in taxable accounts. The company faces litigation in connection with the issue, and it has paid $6.25 million as part of a settlement with a Massachusetts regulator. Vanguard declined to comment.

These issues suggest that even careful, long-term investors need to be watchful, and even then, they may run into problems. There is plenty of room for regulatory reform, Mr. Roseberry of FairShares said. “We should have an efficient and transparent system, and, clearly, we don’t.”

For now, though, investors need to work within a flawed, complex system.

Welcome to tax time.
Although you can ask prior to 12/31 :) Or should I say before 12/15 to act on these issues.
 
Wow.....The #1state to retire in based on what people want is............MAINE!

Here come the rowdy NYers Roccus!
Crap, there goes the neighborhood!!

Reasons New Yawkers or Lawn Guylanders should not come to rural Maine... @Old Mud feel free to chime in here...
  • Culinary Reasons:
    1. Pizza sucks
    2. Finding a decent bagel is the quest for the Holy Grail
    3. No cheese and parsley sausage to be found
    4. Good Chinese food is a thing of the past, but finding Thai isn't tough, go figure
  • Technological Reasons:
    • A solid cell phone signal is a rare delight
    • No Uber, Lyft, Uber Eats, Door Dash, etc.
    • There are truly times that You can't get there from here, especially when your GPS decides the most direct route is from one peninsula to the next is by water
  • Cultural Reasons:
    • Must be able to discern and define subtle dialectic quandaries such as
      • The difference between AYA and AYUH,
      • Know that a NY Dirt Road is a ME Gravel Road, while the latter here is a Stone Road
      • Be cognizant that a cabin in the woods is a Camp
    • Will never be able to call themselves "Mainers" that takes at least 3 generations of your family being born here. Until then, you're a PFA, Person From Away
    • Must shed yourself of all ties to the NY Yankees and have a cellar shrine to Tom Brady
    • Besides having a couple of jacked up cars and 3 boats in front of your double wide, you'll need to add a couple of snow sleds at at least a dozen wrecked lobstah traps
    • If you insist on bringing your PWC for use in the ocean, you better bring a wetsuit as water temps never get into the 70s
    • If you insist on a clean car, ROTFFLMFAO!!, as you'll be dealing with Gravel Roads, and Mud Season!!
    • Which reminds me: leave your Beemers, Vettes, Porsches, etc. down south. We all drive AWD/4WD vehicles for Mud Season. Nothing makes the locals laugh harder than seeing a brand new BMW 840i stuck and deep in mud.
    • Each household is required to have the following equipment
      • A pickup truck
      • A good chainsaw, minimum 18"
      • Supply of "come-alongs"
      • Generator
      • Large pot/propane burner, NOT for frying your turkey, but for cooking lobstah. It's also illegal for residents to wear those stupid lobstah bibs, tourists only.
I could go on and on, but I'm getting tired. Please feel free to visit in the summah, spend lots of cash, and head back down there, but you really don't want to live here...
 
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But my retirement pension income isn't taxed in Maine!!!!!

Here we come baby!

I'm opening an Italian deli/bagel store!!!

RLMAO
Oh yes it is, that is the amount over $25K and that $25K also includes Social Security and any other retirement income like IRA distributions, etc., so that deduction doesn't go far...

For tax year 2022, Maine allows for a deduction for pension income of up to $25,000 that is included in your federal adjusted gross income. The $25,000 must be reduced by all taxable and nontaxable social security and railroad benefits.

If you want a state that doesn't tax ANY retirement income like SS, IRAs, 401(k), Pensions, etc. I left one to come here, that being IL. With the family back there I run the numbers, but being landlocked 6 months and a day doesn't justify the savings, and wouldn't make up the expense of a second house.

And of course, there's these states:

10 states with the lowest personal income tax rates​

Only eight states have no personal income tax:

  • Wyoming
  • Washington
  • Texas
  • Tennessee
  • South Dakota
  • Nevada
  • Florida
  • Alaska
In addition, New Hampshire limits its tax to interest and dividend income, not income from wages.

Among the states that tax income, Pennsylvania's 3.07% flat tax ranks the Keystone State as the 10th lowest in the nation for 2021.

Regardless, I'd love to see a great combo Jewish/Italian store nearby...
 
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