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Total failure of the Secret Service to secure the whole area....How do you let a line-of-sight roof top wide open??


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It doesn't make any sense that that building wasn't secured by local law enforcement, PA State Police or SS.
WTF!!

This whole thing stinks of an inside op that failed the objective.

No boots on the ground around the perimeter of the building; no drone surveillance around the building.

I call BS on this. It was a Op.
 
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It doesn't make any sense that that building wasn't secured by local law enforcement, PA State Police or SS.
WTF!!

This whole thing stinks of an inside op that failed the objective.

No boots on the ground around the perimeter of the building; no drone surveillance around the building.

I call BS on this. It was a Op.

While I ideologically agree with you. My many years of working with the government suggest that you're making the mistake of accusing them of gross competence.

Believe me, they are incapable of pulling off such an Op. However, they are more than capable of F-ing up a straightforward detail.
 
While I ideologically agree with you. My many years of working with the government suggest that you're making the mistake of accusing them of gross competence.

Believe me, they are incapable of pulling off such an Op. However, they are more than capable of F-ing up a straightforward detail.
Generally I would agree with you.
However, too many basic foul ups to be sheer incompetence IMO.

Here is Eric Prince's take (former seal and founder of Blackwater). One additional thing, watch the video (embedded below from X) of the SS sniper on the roof. He has the target locked while Trump is speaking, takes his cheek off the rifle for a moment, the shooter gets off 4-5 shots, then the sniper takes him out.

I guess we don't have a shoot ask questions later policy when it comes to protecting the former President?

"Malice Or Massive Incompetence": Erik Prince Gives Detailed Assessment Of Secret Service Failure
BY TYLER DURDEN​

SUNDAY, JUL 14, 2024 - 02:24 PM
Update (1420ET): Former Navy Seal and Blackwater founder Erik Prince gave a detailed assessment of yesterday's Secret Service debacle in the wake of a failed assassination attempt on former President Trump.

"Hopefully after the tragedy yesterday in Butler PA we can all recognize that unaccountable bloated bureaucracies continue to fail us as Americans," Prince posted to X.
Continued (emphasis ours):

Donald J Trump is alive today solely due to a bad wind estimate by an evil would be assasin [sic].
As the graphics show the full value wind of just 5mph was enough to displace the unconfirmed but likely light 55 grain bullet two inches from DJT's intended forehead to his ear.
DJT was not saved by USSS brilliance.
The fact that USSS allowed a rifle armed shooter within 150yds to a preplanned event is either malice or massive incompetence. Clearly there was adequate uncontrolled dead space for a shooter to move into position and take multiple aimed shots. Watching the newsreel one can hear how proximate the shooter is by the very short time lapse between the crack of arriving bullet (supersonic) to the boom of muzzle blast (sonic).
The law enforcement sniper (unclear if USSS) in newsreels was clearly overwhelmed as his face came off his rifle instead of doing his job to kill the shooter. Clearly they were watching the shooter but apparently have a no "first shot" policy. The only positive action was an apparent 488yd shot by one USSS sniper which despatched the assasin but after the assassin launched at least 5 rounds, wounding DJT and killing and severely others in the crowd.
The sniper was already watching the shooter. Why didn’t he shoot first! 🤔 pic.twitter.com/Ts72wqdG4t
— GentlemanJack (@xGentleManJack) July 14, 2024
In my old business of providing Diplomatic Security in two active war zones we were expected to execute the basics or we would be fired. Clearly USSS failed at the basics of a secure perimeter and once shots were fired their extraction was clumsy and left DJT highly exposed to follow on attacks. It looked like they had never drilled together because those responses should be effectively autonomic. Will there be accountability? That's not the Washington way.
Unserious and unworthy people in positions of authority got us to this near disaster. Merit and execution must be the only deciding factors in hiring and leadership, not the social engineering priority of the day. Sadly nothing in Washington reflects that any longer. DJT is right to question the competence of those protecting him because yesterday they failed in almost every way. Nature abhors a vacuum and there are always other options.
Most importantly, as Americans let's come together and run a proper valid election so we can get back to what matters a merit based society that judges on character and skill. Nothing else.
 
Actually, Yes.

Why?

It's the most plausible.
Simply curious on my inquiry which is why I asked.
Very plausible, and really f'in scary either way; gross incompetence or malicious.

An example on the gross incompetence side of the house would be a patient who goes into the hospital for lets say open heart surgery aorta repair/stent etc or something and the docs and the nurses and the Anestiologist and everyone else in room the completely fails with the objective of the surgery and only by some miraculous intervention the patient makes it out OK.

It's inexcusable to me to have such a failure and breakdown from security when these people are supposedly trained professionals, the best of the best.

Its really fucking sad that this country has the B and C team in the starting lineup at the highest levels of government!
 
I see the MSM has been cropping the American flag out of this picture...

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Generally I would agree with you.
However, too many basic foul ups to be sheer incompetence IMO.

Here is Eric Prince's take (former seal and founder of Blackwater). One additional thing, watch the video (embedded below from X) of the SS sniper on the roof. He has the target locked while Trump is speaking, takes his cheek off the rifle for a moment, the shooter gets off 4-5 shots, then the sniper takes him out.

I guess we don't have a shoot ask questions later policy when it comes to protecting the former President?

"Malice Or Massive Incompetence": Erik Prince Gives Detailed Assessment Of Secret Service Failure​

BY TYLER DURDEN​

SUNDAY, JUL 14, 2024 - 02:24 PM
Update (1420ET): Former Navy Seal and Blackwater founder Erik Prince gave a detailed assessment of yesterday's Secret Service debacle in the wake of a failed assassination attempt on former President Trump.

"Hopefully after the tragedy yesterday in Butler PA we can all recognize that unaccountable bloated bureaucracies continue to fail us as Americans," Prince posted to X.
Continued (emphasis ours):

Donald J Trump is alive today solely due to a bad wind estimate by an evil would be assasin [sic].
As the graphics show the full value wind of just 5mph was enough to displace the unconfirmed but likely light 55 grain bullet two inches from DJT's intended forehead to his ear.
DJT was not saved by USSS brilliance.
The fact that USSS allowed a rifle armed shooter within 150yds to a preplanned event is either malice or massive incompetence. Clearly there was adequate uncontrolled dead space for a shooter to move into position and take multiple aimed shots. Watching the newsreel one can hear how proximate the shooter is by the very short time lapse between the crack of arriving bullet (supersonic) to the boom of muzzle blast (sonic).
The law enforcement sniper (unclear if USSS) in newsreels was clearly overwhelmed as his face came off his rifle instead of doing his job to kill the shooter. Clearly they were watching the shooter but apparently have a no "first shot" policy. The only positive action was an apparent 488yd shot by one USSS sniper which despatched the assasin but after the assassin launched at least 5 rounds, wounding DJT and killing and severely others in the crowd.

In my old business of providing Diplomatic Security in two active war zones we were expected to execute the basics or we would be fired. Clearly USSS failed at the basics of a secure perimeter and once shots were fired their extraction was clumsy and left DJT highly exposed to follow on attacks. It looked like they had never drilled together because those responses should be effectively autonomic. Will there be accountability? That's not the Washington way.
Unserious and unworthy people in positions of authority got us to this near disaster. Merit and execution must be the only deciding factors in hiring and leadership, not the social engineering priority of the day. Sadly nothing in Washington reflects that any longer. DJT is right to question the competence of those protecting him because yesterday they failed in almost every way. Nature abhors a vacuum and there are always other options.
Most importantly, as Americans let's come together and run a proper valid election so we can get back to what matters a merit based society that judges on character and skill. Nothing else.

You didn't read "In The President's Secret Service" did you?

In 2009 it already painted a picture of a typical government bureaucracy in decline.

It also doesn't surprise me that an outfit like Blackwater would have such a take on it. Not saying that privatizing security would necessarily be a bad thing, but it's pretty clear where they're coming from.
 
I used to work for Stephen Ross at 625 Madison Ave - can't picture a 1,200 foot building at that location.
It's directly across the street from the old F.A.O. Schwartz on Madison.

 
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All weaponization of the legal system. Another Trump win!!! Another win for the country, although shows how bad it has become.

BREAKING NEWS7 min(s) ago

Trump classified documents case dismissed following SCOTUS immunity ruling​

Judge Aileen Cannon granted a motion to dismiss the superseding indictment against former President Trump on Monday, based on a violation of the appointments clause.
Trump's defense team had filed the motion, making the argument that Special Counsel Jack Smith was unlawfully appointed.
Justice Clarence Thomas notably mentioned the issue of Smith's appointment to the Trump investigations in his concurrence to the Supreme Court immunity ruling earlier this month.
Fox News' David Spunt and Jake Gibson contributed to this report.
Posted by Julia Johnson


Special Counsel Jack Smith was unlawfully appointed. - And wasted over $10 million of taxpayers money on a false case.
 
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