Great White in Napeague State Park

george · Sep 12, 2019

Here's another taken today in Wanscot/Sagaponac. This is the 3 Rd white this week that has been found dead.

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cany · Sep 12, 2019

george said:
Here's another taken today in Wanscot/Sagaponac. This is the 3 Rd white this week that has been found dead.

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All in the same area?

george · Sep 12, 2019

The other was Amagansett

Roccus7 · Sep 12, 2019

Very, very suspicious that 3 have been found within a week. Somebody's catching and tossing...

cany · Sep 12, 2019

Roccus7 said:
Very, very suspicious that 3 have been found within a week. Somebody's catching and tossing...

Or plain ole killing

george · Sep 12, 2019

Roccus7 said:
Very, very suspicious that 3 have been found within a week. Somebody's catching and tossing...

I don't believe in coincidence, but that would be sad.

Roccus7 · Sep 12, 2019

george said:
I don't believe in coincidence, but that would be sad.

Two is a coincidence, but three is a plan...

dsedy · Sep 12, 2019

Wow.
Any external physical damage to the sharks? The first picture looks like the shark might have a laceration along the lateral side.

Wonder if they could have been a by-catch discard from a commercial (trawler etc..)??? Not banging them (comms) just posit.
Doesn't look like natural predation as their aren't any known Orca's in these waters as far as I know.
Are sharks known to beach themselves???

flounderjoe · Sep 12, 2019

If they are 3 separate sharks something ain"t right the 2 in the pictures are different sharks.Two would be in my guess a wild coincidence three noooo way

Rick67 · Sep 12, 2019

Perhaps a sympathetic seal lover.

george · Sep 12, 2019

flounderjoe said:
If they are 3 separate sharks something ain"t right the 2 in the pictures are different sharks.Two would be in my guess a wild coincidence three noooo way

There was one that washed up near there earlier in the week. I hope to have that photo today. I've zoomed in on what appears to be the injuries on the first shotr

The phots were large so I was able to zoom in pretty well on the injuries. Not to point fingers but it looks more and more like some type of bycatch. If so it needs to be looked at as there are a protected species.

In this one it somehow got it's skin torn off, lots of explanations for something like that ie: net, boat strike? I have no clue just throwing it out there.

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Here we see this injury is not from a bite.

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Slight trauma to the gills

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Damage to the nose and mouth.

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The more I look the more I see bycatch. And I'm not trying to point fingers.

I'll get some closeups done on the other later.

george · Sep 12, 2019

This is a photo of the 4th Great White shark to wash up on Long Island's South shore. This shark was found on Sunday at Fire Island beach. This one is a baby.

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dsedy · Sep 12, 2019

george said:
There was one that washed up near there earlier in the week. I hope to have that photo today. I've zoomed in on what appears to be the injuries on the first shotr

The phots were large so I was able to zoom in pretty well on the injuries. Not to point fingers but it looks more and more like some type of bycatch. If so it needs to be looked at as there are a protected species.

In this one it somehow got it's skin torn off, lots of explanations for something like that ie: net, boat strike? I have no clue just throwing it out there.

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Here we see this injury is not from a bite.

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Slight trauma to the gills

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Damage to the nose and mouth.

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The more I look the more I see bycatch. And I'm not trying to point fingers.

I'll get some closeups done on the other later.

George, agreed on the by-catch discard as a high probability scenario, as I suggested in my prior post.

Roccus7 · Sep 13, 2019

By-catch is the most logical explanation, but what type of by-catch? Are they purse seining bunker the entire length of the South Shore? Doubt trawlers would be picking up whites. I'm confused on this one, just doesn't make much sense as whites' preferred food source are a high fat diet like blubber, be it dead whales or seals. A fish-based diet doesn't provide that high fat diet.

BennyV · Sep 13, 2019

I would think there is much more to the story but who knows

flounderjoe · Sep 13, 2019

WOW !!!!! 4 now. Maybe we do have a breeding area off our coast at least a birthing area

Chinacat · Sep 13, 2019

Like others added- not to say there is any connection to or pointing any fingers but....
I noticed on Tuesday afternoon when I went out of Shinnecock, there were a couple of trawlers working between the beach and sea buoy which is about 1-1/2 miles out and I was guessing they must be working bunker as there seemed to be tons of them out there.
Anytime I see the trawlers in that close I always what they are doing....

cany · Sep 13, 2019

Chinacat said:
Like others added- not to say there is any connection to or pointing any fingers but....
I noticed on Tuesday afternoon when I went out of Shinnecock, there were a couple of trawlers working between the beach and sea buoy which is about 1-1/2 miles out and I was guessing they must be working bunker as there seemed to be tons of them out there.
Anytime I see the trawlers in that close I always what they are doing....

Clammers maybe?

Chinacat · Sep 13, 2019

cany said:
Clammers maybe?

could be
makes sense after the big swell from the storm skimmers got tossed in closer to shore

george · Sep 13, 2019

I remember that shark. I always thought it was a small mako.

fishdawg · Sep 19, 2019

I suspect commercial bycatch. I know a guy who owned a trawler and would frequently catch sharks including threshers and juvenile white sharks near Jones Beach, They get banged up pretty bad in the net

KayakFisherman · Sep 26, 2019

Very interesting. Personally, I think too much of a coincidence. I've seen two white sharks in my whole life fishing the South Shore of Long Island. I was a lobsterman and a long liner. I can't speak to what the trauma would look like from being pulled up by a trawler. But I would stop well short of even implying. Hard working folks who are already taking a beating. I'm not sure why there would be any need to slice open a shark like that. Doesn't seem like it would help to extricated from equipment.

KayakFisherman · Sep 26, 2019

Roccus7 said:
Truly a "No Chit Sherlock" Moment. Years ago, Ben Tadsen in Moriches had a mounted GW pup hanging in his shop. Someone caught it outside the inlet while chumming for bluefish; back then nailing a mako pup bluefishing was not at all unusual. I saw the shark from the shop's doorway and said, "Oh, look at the cute Mako!" My Buddy responded by saying, "Take a look at the teeth!" I looked into the maw and cried out "Holy Crap, it's a baby White!!!"

That's why I have to speak up a little on behalf of the commercial guys. I cut my teeth on six-pack sporty charter boats during the 80s. Jaws had come out and there were a lot more sport fisherman killing sharks than commercial fisherman. I was one of them. Not judging.

KayakFisherman · Sep 26, 2019

I had to check my timeline because I knew that Jaws had come out earlier. From '79 to '82 it was sportfishing charters that I was doing. Jaws came out in '75, but in the early 80s on Eastern LI there was a lot of money being spent in marinas and a lot of guys wanted to catch their own shark. Jaws was on our radar still. From '82-86 I went commercial. Harder work. Better money.

george · Sep 26, 2019

KayakFisherman said:
That's why I have to speak up a little on behalf of the commercial guys. I cut my teeth on six-pack sporty charter boats during the 80s. Jaws had come out and there were a lot more sport fisherman killing sharks than commercial fisherman. I was one of them. Not judging.

I didn't mean it in a negative way. More of a matter of fact way. I can remember days when bluefin tuna were ripping up gill nets off the south shore, and these smaller sharks are probably feeding on the tons of bunker we have inshore. I don' think it's someone targeting them. That's for sure.

Bucktail · Sep 26, 2019

There are 3 skimmer clam dredge boats working inshore to the east of Shinnecock, and have been there for a couple of months. There are a LOT of pup whites in the surf this year,a lot more than usual due to the acres of bunker in the area. Some recreational and commercial fishing interaction is inevitable.

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