"Must Bring Along" Fluke Outfits - My Current Thinking, But Where Are YOU At?

Not sure if this is a debate, a discussion or just a few guys that are expressing their opinions on the state of our local fluke fishery and how they personally intend to move forward in their pursuit of a certain species given the fact that there has been a significant "shift" in the migration pattern, OR, a reduction in their numbers. Once again, an unknown & unanswered conundrum...Which is the most frustrating aspect. We all have our own ideas about how to "handle" or address this problem. And like most difficult situations, we have differing opinions about the solutions.

I remember the days when I could go up to Port Jeff and fish on Big Joe's (flukinit) Maycraft skiff with Lep and we'd hammer on nice 17-23" fish all day in less than 25 feet of water. It was a terrific fishery up there and I looked forward to it because it suited my preferences for targeting fluke in shallow water with a very high success rate. However, in the last 10 years that fishery has dried up and become almost non-existent. It simply doesn't happen anymore and none of us knows why. So, we no longer go up there to target fluke. Why would we? It would be a waste of time.

A similar thing (not completely) has happened in my neck of the woods. It seems bottom that had been productive for decades, is no longer holding fish. Did Sandy contribute to this problem? I would say yes. Especially to the more shallow (50 feet or less) hard bottom areas that I would assume have been sanded over for the most part making it less desirable for congregating bodies of fluke. Areas that were once very reliable for quality fish (countless over 10 lbs.) are now practically barren. Why? Once again, we don't know. I'm not talking about 1 or 2 areas. I'm saying it's much more wide ranging. Inside Jamaica Bay and outside as well. Are there still quality fluke to be caught? Absolutely. Just not with the same regularity or frequency as we are used to.

Which leads us to the fun part...What do YOU do? It's a very personal decision that each one of us makes and might not always be agreed upon with the masses. I certainly don't think all my friends are going to take the same route I have chosen to take. I've weighed a number of contributing factors that lead me to the decision to target fluke less often. And it's not only fluke. The decline of our bass fishing in Jamaica Bay has me less interested in the coming of spring when we traditionally had awesome bass bites. Those days are also a distant memory. Then we get to my real passion, TOG. 2020 was not a banner year for tautog either. Not even close. A shell of what we are used to. From mid-October straight through till late December, we had one of the worst tautog seasons I can recall. Yes, there was the occasional great day - but in the big picture, the fishery seems to be in a decline. I don't think any of our resident hardcore tog hunters will disagree. That's why so many guys are running hundreds of miles north in search of tog AND fluke.

Getting back to our topic, fluke. The reason why I'm scaling back is simple. I don't find the same joy in catching these fish deeper. With beefier tackle. With more lead. More lost jigs. Stronger currents. More conditions. More travel time. Bigger investment of time. More fuel consumption. Constantly worrying about weather because we are making MUCH longer trips to AB, Cholera, Hempstead Reef, the tankers....Now that I'm getting older I have less desire to make fishing more of a chore than it used to be. I recall the days when I was the 1st guy to the boat at 2am to make a weekend tuna trip to the canyon. Or I was catching blue-dicks all day prior to a sharking trip. Or heading up to Massachusetts to cod fish in 6-10 foot seas. Or heading out to fish in all sorts of terrible weather because tog fishing was insane! Combined with the fact that our local fishery has seen better days - The math is not hard to do. Sadly, I don't think I'm alone in this thought process.

Don't get me wrong, I still greatly enjoy a day of fishing with my buddies, ripping each other and telling war stories while we search for BIG fish. To me, trophy hunting is what still keeps me going. That 10 lb. fluke on my ultra light tackle is an accomplishment that has long-since eluded me - and it haunts me. I came close with a 9.5 lb. fish - but it's not good enough! Catching a 15+ tog on my custom ultra light rods & Leppified Abu's is another achievement I haven't attained. So, there's no doubt I'm still going to pursue those goals - the desire to make that happen is ever-present. Only now I plan to do it less often and when the forecast is extremely favorable.
 
"Not sure if this is a debate, a discussion or just a few guys that are expressing their opinions on the state of our local fluke fishery and how they personally intend to move forward in their pursuit of a certain species given the fact that there has been a significant "shift" in the migration pattern, OR, a reduction in their numbers."

O.K., so this thread is really about none of the above. That subject is being covered in a different thread, over on the General Board. We've gotten side-tracked here. We all know the current state of this fishery is what it is - but there’s still PLENTY of quality fluke fishing to be had, for those with a desire to hunt it down.

So let’s try to get this thread back on topic - specifically, what outfits are going fishing with you this coming season?
 
Good discussion guys! First, I'll start with my tackle. Despite a number of flashy custom setups in my fluke arsenal, I have really found myself loving my 6'3" Diawa Proteus rods. Something about the split grip, extremely light weight, fast enough action with enough softness in the tip action, that has upped my fluke game. These rods are a bit weak in the guides, but otherwise, rock solid for $170. I have them in the M, MH, and H versions. With regard to jigs, I use the M for 1.5-3 oz, MH for 2-5 oz jigs, and H for those days when 7-8 ounces is a must. Most of my Proteous rods are paire with Diawa Lexa 100's or my Revo Winch inshore from Abu. Previously, my rods of choice were my G-Loomis 10-17 IMX, a custom St. Croix 7-0 medium action, and my Calstar XL 6-6. These were often paired with Calcutta 150's or 200's. Slim profile has been a game changer for me. Between the split grip rod and the slim profile reel, I find myself controlling my jigging better, getting a better feel, and setting up on the fish with more confidence.

Let's get to "Fluke Evolution." Savvy18 and I go way back and fish together often on my boat, and he is correct, our "hometown" drops are a shadow of what they once were. Believe me, we tried to will this inshore bite back, and despite some good days in the mix, our consistent inshore bite to the west isn't what it was. The past few seasons have required me to evolve as well. Jamaica bay does have some big girls hanging around in May and June; so focusing around the bridges, ledges and other structure will result in some decent catches. Switching it up between jigs and straight bait is often a key to success here.

Our inshore ocean bite, which once came alive in June, and carried through August, is no longer a sure thing, so we usually pass these drops up now. Having to evolve, and thanks to many trips on the Leprechaun with my good friend Cap Pete, I have adapted new methods, and began regularly fishing further east on a regular basis. Let me tell you, adding 6 miles each way to our trips, has made all the difference. Learning the lay of the land on a number of these reefs and contoured bottoms has resulted in a number of decent trips.

From a captain's perspective, catching fish in new spots and in different ways is a pretty cool thing; gives you more options. If we ever get the bite again on the old drops I will be ready; for now, I will keep fishing hard and breaking new ground!

Frank
 
Back to the tackle... I really got comfortable tog fishing this year with my Ecooda - Black Expert 300 this past fall. Although the rod is an absolute dream, don't think it will be a good fluke setup. I have my Shimano Stradic 2000 ready to go. Need to pair with the right rod... More to come.
 
Great info and pleasure to hear such detailed thoughts on rod/reel/technique from some skilled fishermen. I have never targeted fluke more than a few times a year and mostly do in the newhaven or across the pond to port jeff territory. Also have some trips out to montauk a couple times a year. Will definitely tweek some outfits for 2021!
 
Except for my icefishing and tuna gear, I think I've used every setup in my arsenal for fluke! From ultralight trout rods to XH tilerods, from 1/4 oz jigs to 28 oz sinkers, fluke equipment runs the gamet. These days though I prefer spinning equipment when feasible so I can cover more ground when the drift is slow. Locally I always have my spinner with me, when fluking Nantucket I no longer bring it. Last spring I started fluking a lot from shore - Covid cabin fever motivated me to begin shore fluking mid-April and it was great, land based fluking is spinner only for me
 

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Except for my icefishing and tuna gear, I think I've used every setup in my arsenal for fluke! From ultralight trout rods to XH tilerods, from 1/4 oz jigs to 28 oz sinkers, fluke equipment runs the gamet. These days though I prefer spinning equipment when feasible so I can cover more ground when the drift is slow. Locally I always have my spinner with me, when fluking Nantucket I no longer bring it. Last spring I started fluking a lot from shore - Covid cabin fever motivated me to begin shore fluking mid-April and it was great, land based fluking is spinner only for me
What do you like to use from shore? Fished Nantucket Shoals once and it was awesome.
 
Not sure if this is a debate, a discussion or just a few guys that are expressing their opinions on the state of our local fluke fishery and how they personally intend to move forward in their pursuit of a certain species given the fact that there has been a significant "shift" in the migration pattern, OR, a reduction in their numbers. Once again, an unknown & unanswered conundrum...Which is the most frustrating aspect. We all have our own ideas about how to "handle" or address this problem. And like most difficult situations, we have differing opinions about the solutions.

I remember the days when I could go up to Port Jeff and fish on Big Joe's (flukinit) Maycraft skiff with Lep and we'd hammer on nice 17-23" fish all day in less than 25 feet of water. It was a terrific fishery up there and I looked forward to it because it suited my preferences for targeting fluke in shallow water with a very high success rate. However, in the last 10 years that fishery has dried up and become almost non-existent. It simply doesn't happen anymore and none of us knows why. So, we no longer go up there to target fluke. Why would we? It would be a waste of time.

A similar thing (not completely) has happened in my neck of the woods. It seems bottom that had been productive for decades, is no longer holding fish. Did Sandy contribute to this problem? I would say yes. Especially to the more shallow (50 feet or less) hard bottom areas that I would assume have been sanded over for the most part making it less desirable for congregating bodies of fluke. Areas that were once very reliable for quality fish (countless over 10 lbs.) are now practically barren. Why? Once again, we don't know. I'm not talking about 1 or 2 areas. I'm saying it's much more wide ranging. Inside Jamaica Bay and outside as well. Are there still quality fluke to be caught? Absolutely. Just not with the same regularity or frequency as we are used to.

Which leads us to the fun part...What do YOU do? It's a very personal decision that each one of us makes and might not always be agreed upon with the masses. I certainly don't think all my friends are going to take the same route I have chosen to take. I've weighed a number of contributing factors that lead me to the decision to target fluke less often. And it's not only fluke. The decline of our bass fishing in Jamaica Bay has me less interested in the coming of spring when we traditionally had awesome bass bites. Those days are also a distant memory. Then we get to my real passion, TOG. 2020 was not a banner year for tautog either. Not even close. A shell of what we are used to. From mid-October straight through till late December, we had one of the worst tautog seasons I can recall. Yes, there was the occasional great day - but in the big picture, the fishery seems to be in a decline. I don't think any of our resident hardcore tog hunters will disagree. That's why so many guys are running hundreds of miles north in search of tog AND fluke.

Getting back to our topic, fluke. The reason why I'm scaling back is simple. I don't find the same joy in catching these fish deeper. With beefier tackle. With more lead. More lost jigs. Stronger currents. More conditions. More travel time. Bigger investment of time. More fuel consumption. Constantly worrying about weather because we are making MUCH longer trips to AB, Cholera, Hempstead Reef, the tankers....Now that I'm getting older I have less desire to make fishing more of a chore than it used to be. I recall the days when I was the 1st guy to the boat at 2am to make a weekend tuna trip to the canyon. Or I was catching blue-dicks all day prior to a sharking trip. Or heading up to Massachusetts to cod fish in 6-10 foot seas. Or heading out to fish in all sorts of terrible weather because tog fishing was insane! Combined with the fact that our local fishery has seen better days - The math is not hard to do. Sadly, I don't think I'm alone in this thought process.

Don't get me wrong, I still greatly enjoy a day of fishing with my buddies, ripping each other and telling war stories while we search for BIG fish. To me, trophy hunting is what still keeps me going. That 10 lb. fluke on my ultra light tackle is an accomplishment that has long-since eluded me - and it haunts me. I came close with a 9.5 lb. fish - but it's not good enough! Catching a 15+ tog on my custom ultra light rods & Leppified Abu's is another achievement I haven't attained. So, there's no doubt I'm still going to pursue those goals - the desire to make that happen is ever-present. Only now I plan to do it less often and when the forecast is extremely favorable.
Savvy I know you a long time ..Built you many rods & we have talked fishing for years...anyone that has fished the south shore for more than ten or so years understands your pain..its not only fluke but every fish ..maybe not so much dogfish ...

as far as fishing light gear in deep water I do it all the time..fished a 25 plus mile wreck with a ultra lite phenix & a 3oz jig ..killed the fish..

I had a great fluke season fish a little out of the box ..stayed away from the fleet..Boat traffic does affect the bite ...but I dont jig over 4oz and maybe in the afternoon wind I would have to bump up to 5 or 6oz hi low rig ,over 6 I go bottom fishing or go home..

Gear Phenix or CTS I'm spoiled cant fish factory rods ..Tried all the latest & greatest factory rod ..IMO crap !..only factory built rods worth fishing are the Phenix..Titan, M1 or ultra mbx pretty nice ..M1 & ultra umbx build wrong but if you must go factory they would be my choice..

reels LP under 200 ..I really like the cheap lower gear abu's * my high end reel is the concept 13 low gear... dont take care of my reels & have seen to many high end reels fail so I'm all about cheap fish em a couple of years & toss em..
 
What do you like to use from shore? Fished Nantucket Shoals once and it was awesome.
All depends on conditions: back bay skinny water (<10' deep) I use my ultralight shimano compre w/ old Penn 430SS, out front in ocean off jetties I use my go-to custom spinner that's my favorite from boats. In all cases I use Lep's B/S rig. In spring though Fluke seem to prefer spearing over Gulp
 
All depends on conditions: back bay skinny water (<10' deep) I use my ultralight shimano compre w/ old Penn 430SS, out front in ocean off jetties I use my go-to custom spinner that's my favorite from boats. In all cases I use Lep's B/S rig. In spring though Fluke seem to prefer spearing over Gulp
Nice, i tried couple times this past year off some local docks and shore. Nada. I remember as a kid fishing off Union Ave dock in Center Moriches and killing the fluke.
 
Shore fishing? I remember as a kid fishing from the shore at the back of West End 2, in the "pocket," right at the base of the Construction Dock rocks. Carried killies all the way from the parking lot in a 5-gal spackle pail. Use to do pretty well, too.

But of course back then I believe there was no quantity limit and you could keep anything 14" or better. Had some really impressive strings of fish to lug back to the car during July/August, if I remember correctly. Those fish used to stack up there, on the outgoing tide.

I wonder what ever happened to my trusty Mitchel 407 (lefty) and 8' Garcia Conolon blue rod? That outfit was really nice, for its day. . . but now would be considered waaaay over-matched for that type of fishing. More like a mid-weight bass outfit, truth be told. That Mitchel 407 was a real caster - if you could keep its bail from snapping closed mid-cast, usually sending your snapped-off rig half-way to Portugal.

I also recall early May fishing from the open beach "in front" at WE II in the surf, catching NICE yellowtail flounders using clams, with that outfit. Those fish, though a little thin on the white side, fried up real nice, in my Mom's electric frying pan - on the back patio. Every real Italian household had a red brick patio back then. And a redwood patio furniture set too. Man, "those was the days," as Archie and Edith used to sing.
 
Great discussion I will post up my 3 set up I take when I'm on a friends boat or limited charters. For 1-3 oz a Phenix UMBX 8-17 with a quantum Accurist. Next set up for up to 5 oz CTS BJ 700L with an Accurist and for 5+ I go with CTS BJ 701 with a Tranx 200.
 
Lite jigs - NFC Neo Xray-Lexa WN 300 15# braid, I am building currently so not yet tested :)
3oz ish - Hydra 876 - Tranx 301A 20# braid- excited to bend this one!!!
Spinner- ???? Reel is Twinpower 4000 20# braid
My NFC SW768 that I built snapped in half right in the middle, pulling on a snag while togging. Company was quick to replace but it makes me hesitate to build the same blank again right away....
MIght be the CTS BJ 701L I have on order with Richie???? Black Hole 701L?

I have only known deepwater fluking being down in NJ area. We also get hammered with fishing pressure and there seems to be a decline, but I also agree with Lep that thinking outside the box is a great way to still boat nice fish. Check out Navionics or other similar mapping programs and look for some unusual lumps, hills, and structure. I have had the privilege of fishing a lot with some of my great buddies on their boat as we learned/evolved/grew confident to become much better fisherman. Finding new spots that produce is very rewarding. Never fished out Montauk way, and just fished Block Island the first time this past July. I would like to do some more (ad)venturing.
 
I think my biggest issue currently with the deep water fluking is that I haven't really purchased any reels that are "suited" to that style of fishing. It was never a necessity for me. At this point in my "fishing life" there is NO plan to address those needs either. If I do fish the deep drops, it will be with reels I already own.

However, over the years, I have had Capt. Richie build me a few rods that WERE designed with jigging "heavier" jigs in mind. By that I mean, anything over 3 ounces (which is heavy in my book). I don't know every blank number, unfortunately, but there are a few in the arsenal. I find myself bringing them more and more often on my inshore blackfishing trips to do battle with pigs. Every once-in-a while I get hooked up with a 10+ and I enjoy every second of the tussle!

* I have a St. Croix built by Richie that can handle up to a 6 ounce jig. VERY sweet rod that I regretfully do not use often enough. I would bust it out for tog trips but I'm too scared it will break...She's TOO SEXY to have it explode!

* I have a newly purchased (and built by Richie) Charter Special (one of Kilsong's blanks) that was recommended by Lep. I feel it's best suited for jigs between 2 & 4 ounces. Only fished it this past season. So far I'm very pleased with it. So much so, I dragged it along and actually caught a few 4-6 lb. tog on it.

* I have (2) CTS BS 702's that were both built by Richie and designed to jig fluke AND blackfish. One is sprial-wrapped with split grips. The other is a more traditional conventional set-up. I think the ideal jigs for those would be 3-5 ounces. I have (2) Abu Garcia Beast 40's that I like to throw on them when I dual purpose them for tog. Being honest, I haven't used them much for deep water fluke jigging. That's probably because I don't do much deep water fluke jigging.

Then I have my off-the-rack rods, that were also bought with deep water fluke jigging in mind AND to use for shallow water tog trips.

* I have an older version Daiwa Proteus SS64MLB (with the very small guides) which has no problem fishing jigs up to 4 ounces. Love the Proteus rods. I have at least one with me on just about every fishing trip I make.

* I have a newer version Daiwa Proteus 66XHB that easily handles up to 6 ounces and I ALWAYS drag that one with me on tog trips. Matter of fact, I've caught numerous bass up to 20 lbs. on that rod while chunking. It's a TON of fun! Love that rod! It's like my American Express card....I don't leave home without it!

* I have a Daiwa Harrier 64MHB - another sweet rod that I dual purpose for tog. Her sweet spot is 3-5 ounce jigs but I can push the envelope to 6 ounces if I have to. Jigging fluke with 6 ounce jigs IS NOT my idea of fun, so I frown on it at all costs. Like I always say, "I'd rather be sleeping in my bed than jigging 6 ounces of lead!"

That about accounts for my "deep water fluke jigging rods." My "passion" for fluke fishing has drastically waned in the last 5 or so years. Not sure if it's coming back. I guess the fluke fishing will have much to say about that.
 
Wow Savvy, congratulations, three Debbie-Downer posts on one thread, a possible world record! 8-)

Multiple paragraphs of rod descriptions, all appropriate for deeper fishing. Yet no deeper-fishing desire on your part. I see a big sell-off on the way. . .

Guys, get ready for action!
 
Last year I really enjoyed using the BHCS after recommendations from you gents here. Mind blowing less than half the diameter of other rods I own. Light and fun especially when used with a round abu or better yet LP bait caster . Haven’t really picked up my other fluke rods as a result.

Not long ago ( 2 yrs ago lol) my rods would hang Ocea jiggers and from time to time round Abu’s when I wasn’t totally afraid of being undergunned ( happened a few times when I was younger , Once bitten twice shy).

I am shedding all my old fluking rituals and ideas and opening my mind to all the new rod/reel technologies out there . I enjoy you more tenured gents’s opinions on tackle and I look forward to getting some more new sticks to bend this coming season to accompany the BHCS or hopefully better it.
 
LG - If you're thinking of picking up a setup that's a bit lighter than your BH CS, and want the latest in factory rod excellence - for use on those "nice days" out in the ocean, whilst jigging with bucktails up to 4oz, (and don't mind spending a bit more than the BH CS series), then I highly recommend looking at the Shimano Grappler Type LJ (Light Jig) 180gram version, GRPLJC63MH.

A truly lovely little rod that pairs nicely with an Abu Revo Gen4 Winch. Or for around $100, the Revo X Winch. Spool up with 20lb Sufix 832 or the new Berkley X-9 and you will have two fluke sticks that will cover 95% of what we do here on LI. Talk about a feather-weight outfit! Compared to even a lighter weight rod like your BH CS, this one would be like a fencing foil in you hand.

If I didn't already own a perfectly fine JW Ghost Hunter 150g, that little Grappler LJ would be the rod I'd "have to have" - can say more than that, in terms of a recommendation. I like the new Grapplers THAT much.

Want to add a spinning rig? I think you've seen my thoughts on THAT particular rod/reel combination. How could you miss 'em? ?
 
Lep - I have seen your spinning thoughts as well as those of our other members. Last season I encountered 2 separate individuals absolutely hammering fish using spinning setups on the party boats when the rest of us were not. Made me a believer as I saw how they skillfully were able to fish circumstances myself and others were not with our casting rods.

I certainly realize now that a spinning setup is needed in a well rounded golf bag and will be looking at the recommended setups .
 
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