Long Island Wind farms Approved

[george]

Two Offshore Sites Approved For Wind Farms

The two offshore wind farms are in two different locations: one is about 14 miles south of Jones Beach. The other is about 30 miles east of Montauk Point. Combined they will produce 1,700 megawatts or renewable energy. As shown below they are going to be placed in prime fishing territory. Please notice the area of the leased underwater lands. They are much larger already clearing the way for more windfarm once they go into operation.

Could Hurt Local Fisherman and Environment.

Scallopers will no longer be able to scallop that area. “This isn’t just about fishermen,” said Bonnie Brady, the executive director of the Montauk-based Long Island Commercial Fishing Association. “This is about the environment. You’re industrializing the ocean floor.” Then of course rec boats will too have to keep away from them. If you look at the leased area, it’s evident that they will be adding to the 30-windmills in the very near future. This set will cost 2.1 billion dollars and Long Islanders will foot the bill. Any new Wind Farms will be paid by all NYS residents.

Notice the leased area all ready to be filled with wind mills
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Is This The Answer

I’m not opposed to clean energy – like nuclear – but I am concerned with these wind farms being another threat to the marine environment. Never mind all of the birds that they kill, it’s the 30-miles of buried cable needed to get the energy to Long Island. Then consider that NYS has committed to 2,400 megawatts from offshore windmills over the next 10 years. How much of our fishing grounds will be off-limits then? How much of the bottom will be ripped up? What effect does that have on our marine environment? Where will it end?

Don't get me wrong as I support clean energy but . . .

I also enjoy fishing, and I see this as another obstacle to going out and enjoying a peaceful day on the water.

 

[captmike28]

During the summer months I run a number of charter trips to the Montauk/Block Island area so this does impact me directly.

Two years ago when I first learned of this project I started investigating and also attended a couple of the public input sessions held at East Hampton Town Hall. The first shocking fact was the plan to place this farm right on top of one of the most productive offshore areas in the tri state region, Coxes Ledge. The next shock was that the PR person for Deepwater Wind as well as some of their project managers, had no idea they had selected a spot with such a rich fishing history. Or that commercial, charter, and private boats from the 4 states closest to Coxes fish this area regularly.

Then their "scientists" tried to justify the project telling us how little a negative impact this would have on the fishery or the environment as a whole. To add insult to injury virtually all of their "scientific" data was gathered from a West Coast study of different species in a different climate and based upon the reactions of fish kept in pens! No one there could really tell you the potential adverse affects the very large EMP's emitted from these structures would have on fry, juvenile, or adult fish in their natural environment.

Next they tried to suggest that the nearly 40 miles of underwater cable that would have to be laid back to the mainland was going to have little or no impact on the fishing or even the boat traffic traversing this very busy waterway during the installation process. And, we also learned that the functional lifetime of these behemoths is only about 20 years under optimal circumstances. No real thoughts about the decommissioning and replacement process.

Naturally many of the local East Hampton town residents, as ecologically astute as they claim to be, want to have large substations installed on their streets to receive and distribute whatever power these devices will generate.

My final observations, for now, are 2 fold. First, everything I have read about the electric rates for residents of Block Island, where the first 5 windmills went up around 5 years ago, is that they are actually paying higher utility bills. Also, while they are still allowing fishing close to these structures there are 2 main problems here. First the area is not really accessible to those who trawl for a living for fear of fouling their gear. Second, while we are still allowed to fish close by with the Party/Charter fleet what do you think will happen following the first maritime accident, or worse, terrorist threat. You can bet the Govt. will enact large protection zones around the windmills.

Being a lifelong fisherman and charter captian for the last 20 years there is no doubt I am as environemtally consious as anyone. I too would like to see new and cleaner forms of energy put into use. But somehow whenever the Govt. gets involved, even if it is supposedly in partnership with the private sector, things get screwed up.

 

[jpd]

Nothing to see here...move along.....

Philadelphia transit authority orders 25 Proterra electric buses

Philadelphia is set to become the first city in the Northeastern US to put battery-electric buses into service. The Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (SEPTA) plans to purchase 25 40-foot Proterra Catalyst e-buses, which will be deployed on two bus routes in South Philadelphia...

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Philly’s entire fleet of battery-powered buses has been MIA since February

SEPTA's third-largest fleet of electric buses in the United States is stuck in the garage.

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[Capt Richie]

Two Offshore Sites Approved For Wind Farms

The two offshore wind farms are in two different locations: one is about 14 miles south of Jones Beach. The other is about 30 miles east of Montauk Point. Combined they will produce 1,700 megawatts or renewable energy. As shown below they are going to be placed in prime fishing territory. Please notice the area of the leased underwater lands. They are much larger already clearing the way for more windfarm once they go into operation.

Could Hurt Local Fisherman and Environment.

Scallopers will no longer be able to scallop that area. “This isn’t just about fishermen,” said Bonnie Brady, the executive director of the Montauk-based Long Island Commercial Fishing Association. “This is about the environment. You’re industrializing the ocean floor.” Then of course rec boats will too have to keep away from them. If you look at the leased area, it’s evident that they will be adding to the 30-windmills in the very near future. This set will cost 2.1 billion dollars and Long Islanders will foot the bill. Any new Wind Farms will be paid by all NYS residents.

Notice the leased area all ready to be filled with wind mills
​

Is This The Answer

I’m not opposed to clean energy – like nuclear – but I am concerned with these wind farms being another threat to the marine environment. Never mind all of the birds that they kill, it’s the 30-miles of buried cable needed to get the energy to Long Island. Then consider that NYS has committed to 2,400 megawatts from offshore windmills over the next 10 years. How much of our fishing grounds will be off-limits then? How much of the bottom will be ripped up? What effect does that have on our marine environment? Where will it end?

Don't get me wrong as I support clean energy but . . .

I also enjoy fishing, and I see this as another obstacle to going out and enjoying a peaceful day on the water.

I do share some of your concerns ,,It we really want to clean up our water & the health of our fishery ..1) stop lawn fertilizer 2) stop bottom dragging 3) all long island home should be hooked up to sewer system .to name a few..do see how the placement of these farm are going to play a role in a peaceful day of fishing..although global warming does with big storms coming earlier & larger every year..and the fish are showing up later & later & staying shorter & shorter,,,

I do remember about twenty years ago fluke fishing just outside the JI in mid may all the way to late oct,,,those days are long gone..

 

[Pangaroo]

I do share some of your concerns ,,It we really want to clean up our water & the health of our fishery ..1) stop lawn fertilizer 2) stop bottom dragging 3) all long island home should be hooked up to sewer system .to name a few..do see how the placement of these farm are going to play a role in a peaceful day of fishing..although global warming does with big storms coming earlier & larger every year..and the fish are showing up later & later & staying shorter & shorter,,,

I do remember about twenty years ago fluke fishing just outside the JI in mid may all the way to late oct,,,those days are long gone..

I agree with 1 and 2, but never connect Suffolk to a central sewer system. Every real estate agent on Long Island wants them connected so they can develop out there. They'll have the taxpayers pay for it and they'll make a big killing out there.
Personally, I'd like the NY Bight to be a marine sanctuary with only recreational fishing and some fish traps to supply the local supermarkets/ fish markets/ restaurants with fish they have to sell locally. From NY harbor out to the Hudson Canyon , East to off Montauk and to the NY/Ct. Border. NY and NJ and maybe Ct. would probably all join in and set up a marine sanctuary. Pay the Commercials not to fish, buy them out with very generous offers so nobody is hurt financially.
I remember nice ocean fluking out by the Freighters and sometimes by the Needle. Around 2005 it was really good out there. The North Carolina Boats are hurting the Fluke Fishing off Long Island. They take 4000 pounds a trip and supposedly have to sail all the way back home to land their catch. I'm sure they have a nice scheme to get around that requirement and make multiple trips up here each week.

 

[Fluke Whisperer]

The Block Island wind farm has largely shut down

Folks on Block Island have become accustomed to showing off their five-turbine wind farm, which you can see from much of the small island, the giant blades usually tumbling around on the horizon. And ...

www.theday.com

For anyone that is interested.

 

[Fishinatik]

I agree with 1 and 2, but never connect Suffolk to a central sewer system. Every real estate agent on Long Island wants them connected so they can develop out there. They'll have the taxpayers pay for it and they'll make a big killing out there.
Personally, I'd like the NY Bight to be a marine sanctuary with only recreational fishing and some fish traps to supply the local supermarkets/ fish markets/ restaurants with fish they have to sell locally. From NY harbor out to the Hudson Canyon , East to off Montauk and to the NY/Ct. Border. NY and NJ and maybe Ct. would probably all join in and set up a marine sanctuary. Pay the Commercials not to fish, buy them out with very generous offers so nobody is hurt financially.
I remember nice ocean fluking out by the Freighters and sometimes by the Needle. Around 2005 it was really good out there. The North Carolina Boats are hurting the Fluke Fishing off Long Island. They take 4000 pounds a trip and supposedly have to sail all the way back home to land their catch. I'm sure they have a nice scheme to get around that requirement and make multiple trips up here each week.

I would never want to see the word sanctuary placed anywhere we fish first off. Leads to different interpretations and aids environmental groups to help stop us from fishing. PETA and Pew groups would love that, as well as getting rid of commercial fishing in the area . We need to keep all user groups viable and have our voices stronger than any opposition. That’s then Got to be backed by the right political support which will require deep pockets to garner. I doubt that will ever happen as any attempts seem to have fallen short in the past in the ny area The r f a has done for some good things over in Jersey tho. Credit to them

 

[pequa1]

I do share some of your concerns ,,It we really want to clean up our water & the health of our fishery ..1) stop lawn fertilizer 2) stop bottom dragging 3) all long island home should be hooked up to sewer system .to name a few..do see how the placement of these farm are going to play a role in a peaceful day of fishing..although global warming does with big storms coming earlier & larger every year..and the fish are showing up later & later & staying shorter & shorter,,,

I do remember about twenty years ago fluke fishing just outside the JI in mid may all the way to late oct,,,those days are long gone..

So long as "they" mandate a five year phase in of the new septic systems in suffolk, nowhere near as good as sewers but better than what is there now, I could go with all three. As step further, prohibit all residential fertilizer use and watering ones lawn more than once a week. Mulch the cut grass save the dwindling water. None of this of course will happen until Wall Street moves to Georgia, the welfare culture implodes, and peoples' 700 thou homes can be bought for 200.

 

[Pangaroo]

Maybe they can sink large freighters /warships and other large vessels near the new windmill Farm off Long Beach. Put a freighter here and there and have them a mile or two away from each other. Use the Fishing Fund Money to pay for the cleanup and sinking.

 

[Capt Richie]

Maybe they can sink large freighters /warships and other large vessels near the new windmill Farm off Long Beach. Put a freighter here and there and have them a mile or two away from each other. Use the Fishing Fund Money to pay for the cleanup and sinking. ..

its federal waters dont know how NY would do it ...good idea but dont think its going to happen ..

but I could see Trump sinking the USS John McCain ...

 

[Capt Richie]

NY DEC sinks a 55ft steel hull on FI reef

 

[george]

Maybe they can sink large freighters /warships and other large vessels near the new windmill Farm off Long Beach. Put a freighter here and there and have them a mile or two away from each other. Use the Fishing Fund Money to pay for the cleanup and sinking.

We don't get much "fishing fund money" especially for saltwater anglers. Another issue is that it would be totally unfishable for commercials and that will cost them money. There are numerous suits and actions being taken by commercial interests now due to the loss of fishing grounds related to the wind farms.

 

[Capt Richie]

what law suits have been filed ? and by who ?

 

[george]

Paying commercials for loss of income is considered part of the Deal. RI and Mass come have already been offered over 40 million

Here's another example

And another

Here's a suit filed recently

Just search around. There are dozens of them.

 

[Capt Richie]

I have several commercial friends & I haven't of yet heard of them filling any law suits ...But I really don't see them going anywhere do to the simple fact energy & or big business will always win out...

Just look at the deal Trump cut to mine copper and destroy the largest salmon run in the world..that will not only destroy that salmon run but put commercial fisherman out of business..

I also dont think anyone has thought of the fishery when putting up oil platforms in the gulf ...Just look at the damage oil had done over the years to our waters ...

Its a shame but we all need to plug in & fuel our pickups & boats ...this is just another way of doing it & small time commercial fisherman really dont matter to the powers to be...



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[george]

I have several commercial friends & I haven't of yet heard of them filling any law suits ...But I really don't see them going anywhere do to the simple fact energy & or big business will always win out...

I guess you didn't check any of the links I provided. There are hundreds of millions of dollars being put toward the effort of winning them over. The lawsuits are up and down the coast. One of them that I think is this one that can't be bought is the many groups trying to save our endangered whales and their migration. Please read they are not a few local coms that you know. They're backed by real lawsuits.

Just look at the deal Trump cut to mine copper and destroy the largest salmon run in the world..that will not only destroy that salmon run but put commercial fisherman out of business..

I won't go deep into this because you're making it political. This whole process is political, but if we stick to the facts we can see through it. I know what you're referring to but it is very misinformed. And just the fact that you had to bring in Trump shows me this is political in your view. What do salmon on the west coast have to do with this discussion? You requested links to back up my statements and I gave them to you.

Here's another fact and not a talking point. Besides here's a link to the truth - not hearsay. Bid to save Alaskan wild salmon receives surprise boost from Trump Jr

If you have any links to share please do. I'm trying hard to make this a polite and educational thread, so let's stick to the facts.

I also dont think anyone has thought of the fishery when putting up oil platforms in the gulf ...Just look at the damage oil had done over the years to our waters ...

Again you are comparing apples to oranges. This is about a huge windmill farm that will restrict commercial fishing, kill millions of migrating birds, disrupting the migration of our endangered whales. They last for a decade or so and they will be left standing like junk when it's time to decommission them.

Its a shame but we all need to plug in & fuel our pickups & boats ...this is just another way of doing it & small time commercial fisherman really dont matter to the powers to be...

I agree that small-time fishermen don't matter to them because they have our money to pay them. It's the enviros attacking them that is causing issues.

Ultimately Long Islanders are footing the bill anyhow. The first round will cost 1.5 BILLION with 75% of the cost going to Long Island. Here's a link on that

Did someone mention Shorum that we are still paying for?

There are just way too many questions out there that have yet to be answered. This is like one of those 2000 page bills that get passed with no one reading them.

Sadly I do think it's going to happen no matter what the issues. Unless of course if you live in the Hamptons where they successfully stopped those windmills. It sickens me that they caved to the big bucks there. They literally stopped because they didn't like how it looked. Guess what a lot of people don't like how they look! And when they're nothing but a bunch of rusted garbage in years to come, we will just put some new ones in.

There is so much more to this than we are discussing - staging areas, what will they look like. The first one is going to be at Pt Jefferson. From there they will steam the equipment all the way aff of Rhode Island. Why not pick a close inlet? I was told due to the great sea conditions navigating the inlet. What will Port Jefferson look like with a PERMANENT staging area there?

 

[Capt Richie]

Trump Jr ,,LOL sorry I find that funny him & 2.50 gets you on the bus... You accuse me of making it political and you drag that fool into it....fact of the matter is Biden kill it not Jr.. but lets keep this non political ..
I'm not looking into boats from other states who fish in our waters...In fact it could be a great economic boost to LI if they stop dragging off our south shore...haven't you seen with you own eyes the so called by catch shoveled off the sides of these boats..? all the dead fluke ? and a assortment of other fish.?
along with lobsters & crabs ...

If you really want to save the birds ..than shut down all the airports ...stop cutting down trees stop putting up sky scrapers stop burning coal and on and on and on...

as I said I have lived 2/3 of my life & its time to hand thing over to the next generation & they want wind & solar not coal and oil ..

 

[george]

Trump Jr ,,LOL sorry I find that funny him & 2.50 gets you on the bus... You accuse me of making it political and you drag that fool into it....fact of the matter is Biden kill it not Jr.. but lets keep this non political ..
I'm not looking into boats from other states who fish in our waters...In fact it could be a great economic boost to LI if they stop dragging off our south shore...haven't you seen with you own eyes the so called by catch shoveled off the sides of these boats..? all the dead fluke ? and a assortment of other fish.?
along with lobsters & crabs ...

If you really want to save the birds ..than shut down all the airports ...stop cutting down trees stop putting up sky scrapers stop burning coal and on and on and on...

as I said I have lived 2/3 of my life & its time to hand thing over to the next generation & they want wind & solar not coal and oil ..

I was trying to show the real story on the salmon not the talking point you made. That is wrong. It never happened. Unless of course, you can prove otherwise.

For the record, I have been at the forefront of many successful bills that have passed in NY and I know the system as well as anyone. I sit on advisory boards, and I've been to Albany dozens of times - on my dime - fighting for anglers' rights. You won't and or can't find anyone more educated on fisheries management in this state. I don't pass along second-hand info or give people false hopes. ie We will never stop dragging, netting or potting. I wonder how your commercial friends like that suggestion?

I mentioned the birds and whales because they have big money and a lot of motivation to kill this thing. It's just another hurdle they need to climb. One that has movie stars and their bankroll. As you stated earlier they could care less about the small commercial guy.

At this point, I honestly don't see it being stopped. They have so much money to throw at it - you know Long Islanders money. I just hope it works and produces electricity unlike the Shorum Power Plant that we built and never used.

I'm just not sure why I can't get an official spokesperson there to answer any of the numerous questions I have. They refuse to go on the record.

That in itself scares me.

 

[Roccus7]

Driving around this week and have seen multiple trucks carrying "used" wind mill fan blades, probably off to the dump. This is going to become a huge problem as @george has often talked about...​

Now hiring: U.S. offshore wind ramps up, workers taught safety​

The payoff for offshore wind trainees is jobs with an average salary approaching $80,000 a year.

At a 131-year-old maritime academy along Buzzards Bay in Massachusetts, people who will build the nation’s first commercial-scale offshore wind farm are learning the skills to stay safe while working around turbines at sea.


Some take to the tasks fairly easily since they’re veterans of marine fields or construction. For others, it’s totally new to be using fall protection and sea survival equipment, climbing from a boat onto a ladder to get to a turbine and learning how to work hundreds of feet in the air.

Offshore wind developers are hiring, after years of touting the promise of tens of thousands of jobs the industry could create in the United States. To launch this new clean energy industry, they now need plenty of workers with the right training and skills.

“It’s the sheer number of people we’re going to need in the timeframe that we need them,” said Jennifer Cullen, senior manager of labor relations and workforce development at Vineyard Wind in Massachusetts. “We’re combating this sense of, we’ve been talking about it for so long, … is it actually coming? We’re telling people, yes, it’s here, it’s now.

“We’re building the turbines next year and we’re going to be building many more wind farms after this,” she added.

 

[captmike28]

An $80K annual salary will not go too far when you have to spend $60K on your shiny new EV!!

And God knows how much more it will cost when the Govt starts adding surcharges to the cost of charging those things to recover their lost fossil fuel taxes.

As I have said before, hold on to your wallets!!