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TonySmjc
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I’ll ride with the truckers
Screw Neil young and his ilk
Rick67
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Leftist mentality.
When does the word of one Dr. Jekyll become taboo? Just like minimum 3-5 years to deem a vax approved by FDA. Obviously that should have been followed being now your up to three before the first could have been studied long enough to learn it didn’t and doesn’t work.
When the left is involved. No hard earned facts just follow whatever mainstream spews and it becomes fact. So being Joe Rogan has millions that listen to his podcast. That makes him mainstream, that means it’s pure facts.
No one outside of stoner hippies listened to Neil Young anyways 50 years ago.
So super-deflector spin away!
Rick67
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AOC’s followers say we need to eat babies ?
Well if you insist on defining a vaccine as something being 100% effective in preventing infection, there isn't and never has been a single one in the world. There are even breakthrough cases of previously infected, non-vaccinated people of many diseases with excellent vaccines. I was a "breakthrough" Mumps case, as I got the disease twice before the vaccine existed. Right now there are also significant breakthrough cases in people who had previous COVID infections
Here's some 12/20/21 data from MA that includes omicron.
BOSTON — Today the Massachusetts Department of Public Health released a review of breakthrough COVID-19 cases in vaccinated Massachusetts residents and found nearly 97% of all breakthrough cases in the Commonwealth have not resulted in hospitalization or death. Additionally, the review found unvaccinated residents are five times more likely to become infected than fully vaccinated residents (two doses of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine or one dose of Johnson & Johnson) and unvaccinated residents are 31 times more likely to become infected than fully vaccinated residents who have received a booster.
The review also found that 99.9% of breakthrough cases among fully vaccinated people under the age of 60 did not result in death. Among the breakthrough cases for residents over the age of 60, 97% did not result in death. No deaths have been reported in breakthrough cases among those under age 30.
"The data are clear. This review shows that fully vaccinated people in Massachusetts have near-universal protection from severe illness and death and that boosters are demonstrating even stronger protection from COVID," said Health and Human Services Secretary Marylou Sudders. “Amid the season of gathering indoors and the emerging Omicron variant, the time to get vaccinated and boosted is now. It is the best gift of protection for yourself and your loved ones.”
“Vaccination continues to be the most effective tool we have against Omicron and all COVID-19 variants,” said Acting DPH Commissioner Margret Cooke. “The data indicates that fully vaccinated and boosted individuals are well protected from severe outcomes of COVID-19, including hospitalization and death, and the Department of Public Health strongly urges all residents to get vaccinated and, when appropriate, get a booster.”
The benefits of the COVID vaccine are indisputable. Ignore them if you will, just don't proselytize and spread misinformation.
? Hmmm... Maybe I should reconsider that last statement. If enough folks hear and heed "great minds" like Rogan et al., then by the next election, natural selection could remove enough of their followers through natural selection, and the tactic of turning a Health Emergency into a political issue would totally backfire.
But then again, if their claim of dead people voting is true, then it wouldn't happen...
Here's some 12/20/21 data from MA that includes omicron.
BOSTON — Today the Massachusetts Department of Public Health released a review of breakthrough COVID-19 cases in vaccinated Massachusetts residents and found nearly 97% of all breakthrough cases in the Commonwealth have not resulted in hospitalization or death. Additionally, the review found unvaccinated residents are five times more likely to become infected than fully vaccinated residents (two doses of the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine or one dose of Johnson & Johnson) and unvaccinated residents are 31 times more likely to become infected than fully vaccinated residents who have received a booster.
The review also found that 99.9% of breakthrough cases among fully vaccinated people under the age of 60 did not result in death. Among the breakthrough cases for residents over the age of 60, 97% did not result in death. No deaths have been reported in breakthrough cases among those under age 30.
"The data are clear. This review shows that fully vaccinated people in Massachusetts have near-universal protection from severe illness and death and that boosters are demonstrating even stronger protection from COVID," said Health and Human Services Secretary Marylou Sudders. “Amid the season of gathering indoors and the emerging Omicron variant, the time to get vaccinated and boosted is now. It is the best gift of protection for yourself and your loved ones.”
“Vaccination continues to be the most effective tool we have against Omicron and all COVID-19 variants,” said Acting DPH Commissioner Margret Cooke. “The data indicates that fully vaccinated and boosted individuals are well protected from severe outcomes of COVID-19, including hospitalization and death, and the Department of Public Health strongly urges all residents to get vaccinated and, when appropriate, get a booster.”
The benefits of the COVID vaccine are indisputable. Ignore them if you will, just don't proselytize and spread misinformation.
? Hmmm... Maybe I should reconsider that last statement. If enough folks hear and heed "great minds" like Rogan et al., then by the next election, natural selection could remove enough of their followers through natural selection, and the tactic of turning a Health Emergency into a political issue would totally backfire.
But then again, if their claim of dead people voting is true, then it wouldn't happen...
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Im sure Im wrong but didnt they spread misinformation from the get go and the first shot?
What exactly are you referring to? CDC and FDA have, and continue to, make some really STUPID comments that have me screaming at the TV or Newspaper.
However, I can't recall any flat out lies about the vaccine like the antivaxxers love to say...
Some of my favorite Antivaxx Mantras:
- The vaccine is a government tracking device - which was probably posted using a cell phone, the most common tracking device in the world...
- The vaccine can give you COVID - last time I looked mRNA for a single protein can't produce an complete, infectious virus...
- The vaccine is gene therapy - mRNA isn't back transcribed into anything that can be inserted into human DNA...
- Pfizer is doing a bait and switch!! The vaccine they're shipping now is not the same as the one they did clinical trials with!! - Dumb feck antivaxxers didn't realize once the vaccine was approved, and no longer EUA Pfizer started using the trade name
1 shot that didnt work 2nd shot that didnt work 3rd shot that dont work people still dying who got all three and lets not forget it doesent work against new strain... Aint even going to get in to the Two weeks stay at home and the masks we know how well that worked out And lets not forget the blood clot issue that was mentioned when the Vax first came out now years later its coming true
I find it funny that people who believe in the Vax have conspiracy theories on why people dont want to get the Vax. They just dont get that they believe it was rushed and they dont want it hell three shots later you can still get it/spread it/die from it yeah yeah the Vax you wont go to the hospital tell that to the people who are there
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
Had they done the proper trials for the appropriate time
They could have marketed it on the proper way
What we got isn’t want was sold
And people are skeptical
Can you blame them
they have been lied to pushed and coerced since day one of 15 days to slow the spread and you wonder why they have no faith in a rushed government pushed vaccine
Why the wonder why the rapid expansion of treatments and therapy’s weren’t a also a priority
Your crowds screwed this up from the get go
And they just keep screwing it up more as time goes on
from the scientist pushing gain of function
Straight through today
Your crowds screwed the pooch
On this one
no ones got any faith at this point
Best you all get out of the way
They could have marketed it on the proper way
What we got isn’t want was sold
And people are skeptical
Can you blame them
they have been lied to pushed and coerced since day one of 15 days to slow the spread and you wonder why they have no faith in a rushed government pushed vaccine
Why the wonder why the rapid expansion of treatments and therapy’s weren’t a also a priority
Your crowds screwed this up from the get go
And they just keep screwing it up more as time goes on
from the scientist pushing gain of function
Straight through today
Your crowds screwed the pooch
On this one
no ones got any faith at this point
Best you all get out of the way
Nothing in your list was a blatant lie like most of the anti-vax rhetoric, but much of it wasn't well presented or thought out, no doubt.
- Moderna & Pfizer always said to be a 2-vaccine course, J&J single shot, but none of them said it was 100% effective and they also mentioned the possibility of future boosters. I always heard those disclaimers, but maybe I listen more carefully.
- Two week shut down was a cluster, no doubt. That kind of thing only had success in China where they literally locked people in their houses for 2 weeks and only let them go when an entire city was clean. They're doing it again.
Locking people in their house? Now we're talking economic impact too and the trade off between strict pandemic controls stifling the economy, always a tradeoff.
- Masks were another massive cluster and continue to be so. 1st, anyone who knew anything was fully aware that a K or KN-95 masks would be better than surgical or cloth masks. Because of the scarcity of them, they made believe that paper masks were OK, just so people wore something, and wearing any mask is better than no masks. I ignored the paper mask thing and have always had a good stash of K and KN-95s.
And then there was "We need to reward vaccinated folks" so let's tell them they don't have to wear them after getting vaccinated. You can scroll up a couple of hundred pages when I said just because you're vaccinated, it doesn't mean you should stop wearing a mask.
- Fully vaccinated and boosted works OK with the new strain, but once again, nothing ever has been, is, and never will be 100% effective. The problem has been, and will continue to be, if there are significant populations with low vaccine rates, the virus will continue to run wild and mutate. Yeah, we may be doing a yearly COVID booster, but so what? I get my flu shot every year. And when a better vaccine comes out, like the one for shingles, I have no problem getting poked with the new an improved version.
- Blood clot was always there, and noted. The percentages are so low it's well within the safety level of any vaccine. Here are the newest data:
Boys aged 12 to 15 have a small but increased risk of heart problems after receiving a second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, Israeli researchers reported on Wednesday.
Myocarditis, or inflammation of the heart muscle, occurred in one of 12,361 boys of that age group within a week of receiving a second dose, the study found.
The cases were mild, and the side effect remains uncommon. Moreover, several studies have shown that the risk of myocarditis after Covid is much higher than that after vaccination.
Still, the Israeli figure is higher than the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimate of one case per 16,129 vaccinated adolescents aged 12 to 17. Israeli researchers previously reported that nearly 11 of every 100,000 boys and men aged 16 to 29 were at heightened risk of myocarditis after vaccination.
So you've got a 0.008% chance of having that problem if you're a young male. Once again, no medical treatment has zero risk involved, but since it's well-characterized, physicians can be on the lookout.
From the get go it was get the shot when one didnt work they said get another never was their a mention it was gonna be a one/two/three shot ordeal which still doesent stop you from getting it/spreading it Yeah they say it will keep you out of the hospital tell that to those that are in the hospital and the loved ones of those that died from it after all three shots
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
- Masks were another massive cluster and continue to be so. 1st, anyone who knew anything was fully aware that a K or KN-95 masks would be better than surgical or cloth masks. Because of the scarcity of them, they made believe that paper masks were OK, just so people wore something, and wearing any mask is better than no masks. I ignored the paper mask thing and have always had a good stash of K and KN-95s.
not a one of them is worth a fiddlers fart if not handled , used and disposed of properly , and that’s rarely if ever done .- Mask don’t work as used or recommended stop spreading misinformation
OVERBORED
Well-Known Angler
Failure of leadership from the beginning.
Once politics entered the picture.....well.....it was no longer about science.
Yes, Omicron doesn't respond to the vax. I am living proof. Covid Positive on Jan 1st after 3 shots. Had 2 days of fever. That's it.
Omicron also doesn't respond to any of the existing treatments for the other variants.
At some point, leaders need to start focusing on Issues like crime and inflation and stop hiding behind lawsuits over masks!
Once politics entered the picture.....well.....it was no longer about science.
Yes, Omicron doesn't respond to the vax. I am living proof. Covid Positive on Jan 1st after 3 shots. Had 2 days of fever. That's it.
Omicron also doesn't respond to any of the existing treatments for the other variants.
At some point, leaders need to start focusing on Issues like crime and inflation and stop hiding behind lawsuits over masks!
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
Here’s some additional 1st hand info
For two years ive not worn a mask
Hang out in places where no one wears or requires others to wear a mask
Been in engine rooms , break rooms , stores , cabins and all manner of places where unmasked ppl come go and even congregate smoke drink and share food
in none of those places and amongst none of those ppl has their been any spread that can be traced back to them
Not yet be place not one case that has made the rounds
Masks don’t matter , contact doesn’t matter
They are missing something
Wish I could tell you what , I can’t but they are missing something
For two years ive not worn a mask
Hang out in places where no one wears or requires others to wear a mask
Been in engine rooms , break rooms , stores , cabins and all manner of places where unmasked ppl come go and even congregate smoke drink and share food
in none of those places and amongst none of those ppl has their been any spread that can be traced back to them
Not yet be place not one case that has made the rounds
Masks don’t matter , contact doesn’t matter
They are missing something
Wish I could tell you what , I can’t but they are missing something
Now you're wrong, Pfizer & Moderna were 2 from the get go, J&J one, but possibility of additional shots were always mentioned. At least I heard it...
NO vaccine is 100% effective, ask the folks who have leg braces even after getting the polio vaccine...
Yes, sadly some will get all shots and still die, but once again, that's a fact of vaccine life. You have a much better chance of staying out of the ICU and morgue if you got all the shots and all the future ones.
If you're in a Dirty Harry, "Feel lucky Punk?" mode, don't get the vaccines.
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wader
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why bother wasting your breathe on this crowd? Their minds are made up. I just hope they're not occupying a hospital bed that myself or anyone in my family needs.
BennyV
Well-Known Angler
We can only hope Michael Buble joins in. His “music” is the worst. If I want to listen to Sinatra, I listen to Sinatra and not some poser.
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