Tog $25 per pound!

[george]

At these prices they don't have a chance. I hear they get more for females. They like the eggs. I'd say it's time to shut down the spring season for pots.

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[cany]

Sickening too see them in there

 

[captmike28]

That really is scary. I think they should completely shut down the spring fishery for Tog , pots, pinhookers, and recreational.

 

[MOJOE]

also shut down keeping and bringing the tog in alive,, no more live asian tog market!! ,,xxx,,, in the spring what do we have 1 month of fishing for them i dont think there shallow at this time?? atlease for the mojoe skiff,, bring back the start of tog in the fall early again,, AND NO MORE LIVE FISH!!,,,,,,, ><)))):>
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[BennyV]

At these prices they don't have a chance. I hear they get more for females. They like the eggs. I'd say it's time to shut down the spring season for pots.

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Where was that George?

 

[MOJOE]

look like brooklyn tanks ,,,,,,benny i see that all the time ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ><))):>
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[george]

Where was that George?

I was told Brooklyn.

 

[CELLFISH]

one fish is a hundred $$$, how fast could they sell... cellfish...

 

[eyeglassjoe]

also shut down keeping and bringing the tog in alive,, no more live asian tog market!! ,,xxx,,, in the spring what do we have 1 month of fishing for them i dont think there shallow at this time?? atlease for the mojoe skiff,, bring back the start of tog in the fall early again,, AND NO MORE LIVE FISH!!,,,,,,, ><)))):>
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Quick question,?, if spring was closed and open in Fall... what does it matter if a commercial pinhooker sold live fish. They are only allowed 25 per boat sooo dead or alive? What’s the difference? I’m not even sure if they can still sell live because of pen permits and whatnot..

 

[Roccus7]

Quick question,?, if spring was closed and open in Fall... what does it matter if a commercial pinhooker sold live fish. They are only allowed 25 per boat sooo dead or alive? What’s the difference?

Great question, at least in terms of pinhookers. I think we can all agree that the major supplier of live tog are the potters and they live by different rules than the pinhookers. Unfortunately the rise of tog potting was caused by the demise of lobstering in the Sound and the loberstermen needed another source of income, relatively common to the gear and boats they already had invested in.

IMO here's the dilemma right now. The crash of southern NE lobstering caused them real economic hardship, but they found a viable alternative. To shut them out, or severely hamper their ability to continue to earn a living tog potting becomes a regulator's, and politician's worst nightmare.

I'm really not sure what the answer is here. Efforts to end or severely limit potting would be seen as a direct attack on commercial fisheries by the recs and could be interpreted as a "None for you, but more for me!" ploy, which goes over like a fart in church. Regrettably, I foresee the usual regulatory MO: argue in circles while the fishery collapses, which then allows for extreme regulatory measures without anyone group saying they're being singled out and picked on.

 

[george]

Quick question,?, if spring was closed and open in Fall... what does it matter if a commercial pinhooker sold live fish. They are only allowed 25 per boat sooo dead or alive? What’s the difference? I’m not even sure if they can still sell live because of pen permits and whatnot..

Im looking at the spring fishery and pots. At a 25 fish limit why would anyone need hundreds if not thousands of pots. This fishery was fished hook and line forever and up until the potting started 15 or so years ago, have we seen the decline. Those pots soak 365 days a year, and as the price goes up the gold rush fishjng mentality sets in.

Pin hookers and so-called recs selling live has been the norm for tog since I can remember. I'm sure many can remember walking the rocks in Sheepshead buying fish right at the dock. The fishery stayed healthy.

It's the pots.

 

[george]

Great question, at least in terms of pinhookers. I think we can all agree that the major supplier of live tog are the potters and they live by different rules than the pinhookers. Unfortunately the rise of tog potting was caused by the demise of lobstering in the Sound and the loberstermen needed another source of income, relatively common to the gear and boats they already had invested in.

IMO here's the dilemma right now. The crash of southern NE lobstering caused them real economic hardship, but they found a viable alternative. To shut them out, or severely hamper their ability to continue to earn a living tog potting becomes a regulator's, and politician's worst nightmare.

I'm really not sure what the answer is here. Efforts to end or severely limit potting would be seen as a direct attack on commercial fisheries by the recs and could be interpreted as a "None for you, but more for me!" ploy, which goes over like a fart in church. Regrettably, I foresee the usual regulatory MO: argue in circles while the fishery collapses, which then allows for extreme regulatory measures without anyone group saying they're being singled out and picked on.

Agreed. But being that potting is basically unregulated, many non-lobstermen are also involved in potting. There is hope for tog as ASMC has taken a proactive approach employee tags and we've been assured, although I have my doubts, that NYS will be registering potters. Once they do that they can get a handle on who's taking what. Lets just hope that it happens earlier than your predictions.

 

[PropellerJohnII]

At these prices they don't have a chance. I hear they get more for females. They like the eggs. I'd say it's time to shut down the spring season for pots.

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Living here by LNB, I have watched this evolve in the Queens Asian Seafood Markets for the past 30 years.Grrrrrrrrrr. Breaks my heart?

 

[PropellerJohnII]

look like brooklyn tanks ,,,,,,benny i see that all the time ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ><))):>
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Try Flushing , Bayside or any number of Queens neighborhoods here that have Asian Fish markets. I have reliable info that Asian wholesalers are currently paying $ 12
a pound for live black fish. Plenty of incentive to ignore any regulations or common decency. Permit/licensed holder pin hookers not the problem. Effing mutts and poachers are???

 

[BennyV]

Im looking at the spring fishery and pots. At a 25 fish limit why would anyone need hundreds if not thousands of pots. This fishery was fished hook and line forever and up until the potting started 15 or so years ago, have we seen the decline. Those pots soak 365 days a year, and as the price goes up the gold rush fishjng mentality sets in.

Pin hookers and so-called recs selling live has been the norm for tog since I can remember. I'm sure many can remember walking the rocks in Sheepshead buying fish right at the dock. The fishery stayed healthy.

It's the pots.

Don’t forget about ghost traps either.

In my experience in the Western LIS a small group of lobster guys have hammered the stocks after the lobsters disappeared. Same can be said for the whelk fishery as well. For years they treated it like a cash register. Now we’re all paying the piper. Add in full netting of bunker, which now they mostly cast net for and you got yourself a real money making business. I personally wouldn’t be able to sleep at night, but they could careless about it.

 

[george]

Don’t forget about ghost traps either.

In my experience in the Western LIS a small group of lobster guys have hammered the stocks after the lobsters disappeared. Same can be said for the whelk fishery as well. For years they treated it like a cash register. Now we’re all paying the piper. Add in full netting of bunker, which now they mostly cast net for and you got yourself a real money making business. I personally wouldn’t be able to sleep at night, but they could careless about it.

I can't count how many double digits tog I caught between New Rochelle and Larchmont. Not to sound like a fish hugger, but I always released the big ones and the pregnant ones. Then we starting seeing them get popular in the seafood markets and it all went down from there.

As an example look no further than the bluefin tuna. As recs we can only keep one a year now that the value has gone up in the commercial fishery. I'm not demeaning commercial fishing here, but the fact is as the price goes up the stock goes down.

I know this has been asked before but Is it better to get $25 for a live fish or just $10 for a dead one? The first thought would be a dead fish is a dead fish so why not get the $25? My argument to that is the higher the price the more pressure on the fishery and it invites more poaching.

This is what I never understood. The commercial fishery is in a position to basically control the amount of fish they bring to market. So if they took less, they'd get more per pound and keep the fishery healthy at the time.

 

[SoCalFishMan]

I can't count how many double digits tog I caught between New Rochelle and Larchmont. Not to sound like a fish hugger, but I always released the big ones and the pregnant ones. Then we starting seeing them get popular in the seafood markets and it all went down from there.

As an example look no further than the bluefin tuna. As recs we can only keep one a year now that the value has gone up in the commercial fishery. I'm not demeaning commercial fishing here, but the fact is as the price goes up the stock goes down.

I know this has been asked before but Is it better to get $25 for a live fish or just $10 for a dead one? The first thought would be a dead fish is a dead fish so why not get the $25? My argument to that is the higher the price the more pressure on the fishery and it invites more poaching.

This is what I never understood. The commercial fishery is in a position to basically control the amount of fish they bring to market. So if they took less, they'd get more per pound and keep the fishery healthy at the time.

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BFT is certainly a great example of how price generates demand but it's also a great example of how we can still get top dollar for fish and create a sustainable fishery.

The last couple of stock assessments on BFT are incredible positive. The biggest change is finally addressing the illegal fishing happening in the Mediterranean (also finding the breeding stock in the Gulf helped). These issues usually come down to illegal fishing. When something is valuable enough people will break the law. What sucks is the guys who legally fish them should be able to get $12/lb, that's the best use of the resource.

We really need to step up enforcement and make the penalties so stiff people really are to scared to poach. As constituted today the penalties aren't strong enough to scare anyone. The goal should be to get $12/lb for every legal fish taken, not driving the value of the resource down.

PS: The potting during the spawn is brutal to see. Those fish should be allowed to spawn.

 

[george]

That's actually not true with BFT based on the latest stock assesments. The spawning Biomass is bigger t



Sorry about that last post went up incomplete and I can't erase it.

BFT is certainly a great example of how price generates demand but it's also a great example of how we can still get top dollar for fish and create a sustainable fishery.

The last couple of stock assessments on BFT are incredible positive. The biggest change is finally addressing the illegal fishing happening in the Mediterranean (also finding the breeding stock in the Gulf helped). These issues usually come down to illegal fishing. When something is valuable enough people will break the law. What sucks is the guys who legally fish them should be able to get $12/lb, that's the best use of the resource.

We really need to step up enforcement and make the penalties so stiff people really are to scared to poach. As constituted today the penalties aren't strong enough to scare anyone. The goal should be to get $12/lb for every legal fish taken, not driving the value of the resource down.

I agree that the stocks are returning, but recs can no longer fish Giants. There used to be a popular tourney that will never happen again because we're not allowed any big ones. Just one a year. That tourney ran for almost 30- years.

That's my point with tog. When the price hits $50 or more a pound, will they be too valuable in the market forcing recs out the door, just like they did with giant bluefin tuna.

I fully agree with tougher laws against poaching, but you and I both know if people want to poach there's not much we can do.

 

[Capt13]

I agree that the stocks are returning, but recs can no longer fish Giants. There used to be a popular tourney that will never happen again because we're not allowed any big ones. Just one a year. That tourney ran for almost 30- years ......

Back then I think they were worth about 10 cents a pound if you could even get that.

 

[george]

Back then I think they were worth about 10 cents a pound if you could even get that.

And they were plentiful.