Back To Basics - and the genesis of the “Brian F-Yeah!” Rig

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I'll start off by saying that I'm not much of a fluke fisherman. I think when the stripers show up in the spring I get a one track mind. I was just thinking, is anyone still fluke fishing dragging bait around with one of Leps' reliable BS rigs. I remember doing well with that rig, sometimes eliminating the bottom hook.
John
 
I'll start off by saying that I'm not much of a fluke fisherman. I think when the stripers show up in the spring I get a one track mind. I was just thinking, is anyone still fluke fishing dragging bait around with one of Leps' reliable BS rigs. I remember doing well with that rig, sometimes eliminating the bottom hook.
John
Yes, I use it when I need heavy weight to hold bottom. Or sometimes when the bucktail/teaser isn't working, The Ole plain Jane will produce.
 
I'll start off by saying that I'm not much of a fluke fisherman. I think when the stripers show up in the spring I get a one track mind. I was just thinking, is anyone still fluke fishing dragging bait around with one of Leps' reliable BS rigs. I remember doing well with that rig, sometimes eliminating the bottom hook.
John
Totally agree with Matt here. There are some days when the good old bait rig, ala Lep modification, still puts plenty of Fluke in the boat. Just have to adapt to the conditions.
 
I’m convinced. Lep broke it out on a recent trip when we couldn’t hold bottom with 6oz bucktails, and right away, we started catching. Different conditions demand different approaches.

This year, I also tried something new—dragging a dead stick using an old-school ball rig with a trailer, a gulp, and a piece of squid. That setup caught just as many keepers as when I was working hard jigging.

I still enjoy that bottom grip you get when setting up on a big of one while jigging! The seasons over for me and I can't wait until next year already!
 
The "Brian F-Yeah!” Rig

O.K., so what George is talking about is my fairly recent modification of the basic B/S-Rig, specifically designed to catch on those days that require more than a 5-6oz bucktail to hold bottom, without having to pay out a ton of scope. That's never a good idea when fishing over rubble, as it works against your ability to lift the rig over the really rough stuff.

The inspiration for this rig (and its name) came from a old fishing buddy that no longer fishes on my boat for some reasons that I won't go into here. And it certainly wasn't about his ability to catch fish, that's for sure!

Anyway, on a particularly rough day some years ago what he did was to take the B/S-Rig and position-swapped the sinker and the bait - meaning that he put the sinker on the dropper loop and put the hook for his GULP! on the sinker loop.

Being a smug sh*t that was totally comfortable in my ignorance, I laughed and laughed. Right up until he out-caught me seven-to-one that trip - nearly filling out the boat's limit by himself.

Yeah, and so not being a total dope, I gave this humbling experience a ton of thought, all that following week. A drubbing like that requires it. The very next trip we had another rotten day with a fast drift, and so I tried it his way. I found that it caught O.K., but because the rig fished so low to the rubble, the hook would frequently catch a piece of bottom and I'd have to give up the rig - and then spend precious time tying on a new one. There had to be a better way.

The "better way" became the "F-Yeah" rig. Remembering an old cod fishing trick, that using a longer leadered hook on hard-running tide days produced more hits, I came up with the mods that this rig became. Incorporating this thinking, what I found was that on a fast drift the longer leader to the hook allowed more free motion to the bait, thus producing more interest from our flat friends.

Here are some pix for reference - there's some stuff going here that needs 'splainin':

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Let's go through the mods to the B/S-Rig that turn it into the F-Yeah Rig. I’ll give my reasoning at each step. It's tied as follows:

a/ first I pull a couple of feet my 40lb Big Game mono from its factory 1/4lb spool. This is the line I use for both the B/S and F-Yeah. Why? Because when used with 20lb braid, if snagged in the rough bottom I fish, the 40lb mono is often times strong enough to "bull" the rig free. Or if its hopelessly hung, it will usually let go at one of its knots - sparing my braid main line. It's very common to have the rig (B/S or F-Yeah) break at the bottom of the dropper knot - thus saving your (now) $2.00 6" Grub. Hey, getting back something is way better than having the main line break, thus losing everything.

I would forget the "finesse" leader materials like fluoro (no need in 80 - 90 feet of water), as well as any leader strength less than 40lb test. Who wants to be endlessly retying-on fresh rigs, eating up precious drift time? Time spent without your rig fishing on the bottom, is time wasted. Avoid this at all costs.

b/ Next I make a big dropper loop, and I mean big.

c/ Then from the dropper's knot I go approx 14-15" and make a two-turn Surgeon's loop to carry the sinker.

d/ Back to the dropper loop - find the knot end and cut the LOWER part of the loop, fairly tight to the knot. This creates the hook's "leader." Cut the bottom part of the loop because, well, see above. At least you sometimes get the worm back. Better than nothing.

e/ Put your hook onto the "leader" and adjust the length so that it ends up with the hook just above the Surgeon's loop. If you followed the recipe so far, that would make the "leader" right around 9" or so.

f/ Tie your hook onto the leader. I like a 5/0 Gamakatsu bait holder for this, seeing as you can no longer easily find my preferred Mustad 3400BN. I use a 5-turn Improved Clinch Knot, but feel free to use any knot you like - a reverse snell is nice, or even a well-tied Uni-knot would be fine.

g/ Go up 10” or so from the dropper loop and tie on a small barrel swivel. No need for a ball bearing version, unless you truly are “bucks up.”

h/ Optional - I've found that putting a glow bead and a small styro float above the hook has had a positive effect on my results - this is shown in the pix. The glow bead adds attraction, and the styro float adds that small amount of buoyancy that keeps the hook up off bottom snags as the boat rolls in the inevitable wave action that rougher days always produce.

Though I've recently taken to using silicone skirts on my "normal" B/S-Rigs, I do not on the F-Yeah. I believe it adds more water drag, which I am trying to minimize in the first place.

The styro float in the pic is NLA, as the Northport tackle shop that used to stock them closed up after its owner passed away. Never fear, substitutes are available as follows.

Where to find suitable styro floats and glow beads? Here's some links that can help -

Floats - get the #7 size. I bought the #6 size and have to use two on the leader in order to get the buoyancy I'm looking for:


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Glow Beads - get the 10x7mm size:


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Special Bonus Tip -

Here are the clear beads I put on my main line, ahead of my rig's swivel. Why? Because using these beads prevents the swivel from hitting my tip-top’s delicate ceramic ring - potentially cracking it, or knocking it right out of its metal frame. Stupid sh*t happens on boats, this prevents one of those unfortunate events from putting your favorite setup out of action on an important trip.


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Let's see, what more can I add? Oh yeah, the reason I call it "Brian's F-Yeah Rig" is because back whenever BriBri would boat a real good one, he would repeatedly yell at the top of his lungs "F YEAH!," thereby alerting every boat within 500 yards that our drift line just produced a whopper. Yep, that was great. My buddy and "crew BFF" KenScot used to get a hell of a kick out of this. Me? Decidedly less so. Brian was and still is a very "unique" dude. :rolleyes:

Anyway, tie up some of these and give 'em a try on those "problematic" drift days. You can thank me later. Don't use them on calm days as the hook droops too much without the fast drift, (even with the styro float) thus making a less than attractive, um, attractor. ;)
 
The rig mentioned by lep was one used by a now deceased but long time Montauk fixture who was only interested in big fluke. And he caught them by fishing live bait on that rig with a 6/0 sproat. DEADSTICKED!

He would always fish away from the fleet on rubble ofter close to Montauk inlet. He never caught alot but every season caught a few monsters!

Won't mention his name but name of his boat was the Fiddler.
 
The rig mentioned by lep was one used by a now deceased but long time Montauk fixture who was only interested in big fluke. And he caught them by fishing live bait on that rig with a 6/0 sproat. DEADSTICKED!

He would always fish away from the fleet on rubble ofter close to Montauk inlet. He never caught alot but every season caught a few monsters!

Won't mention his name but name of his boat was the Fiddler.
He was a good man & fisherman, if I remember always headed for the pocketbook back when the season ran till the end of October
 
He was a good man & fisherman, if I remember always headed for the pocketbook back when the season ran till the end of October
Yes! Pocketbook, Washington shoals. Nicest person I ever met out there! I still see one of his sons from time to time.

As for deadsticking in general, not for me but there's different kind of rubble as you well know:
Long Branch NJ type where you never lose a rig is the kind of bottom I'm talking about.

Don't want to hijack the thread, just adding that the rig works!
 
The "Brian F-Yeah!” Rig

O.K., so what George is talking about is my fairly recent modification of the basic B/S-Rig, specifically designed to catch on those days that require more than a 5-6oz bucktail to hold bottom, without having to pay out a ton of scope. That's never a good idea when fishing over rubble, as it works against your ability to lift the rig over the really rough stuff.

The inspiration for this rig (and its name) came from a old fishing buddy that no longer fishes on my boat for some reasons that I won't go into here. And it certainly wasn't about his ability to catch fish, that's for sure!

Anyway, on a particularly rough day some years ago what he did was to take the B/S-Rig and position-swapped the sinker and the bait - meaning that he put the sinker on the dropper loop and put the hook for his GULP! on the sinker loop.

Being a smug sh*t that was totally comfortable in my ignorance, I laughed and laughed. Right up until he out-caught me seven-to-one that trip - nearly filling out the boat's limit by himself.

Yeah, and so not being a total dope, I gave this humbling experience a ton of thought, all that following week. A drubbing like that requires it. The very next trip we had another rotten day with a fast drift, and so I tried it his way. I found that it caught O.K., but because the rig fished so low to the rubble, the hook would frequently catch a piece of bottom and I'd have to give up the rig - and then spend precious time tying on a new one. There had to be a better way.

The "better way" became the "F-Yeah" rig. Remembering an old cod fishing trick, that using a longer leadered hook on hard-running tide days produced more hits, I came up with the mods that this rig became. Incorporating this thinking, what I found was that on a fast drift the longer leader to the hook allowed more free motion to the bait, thus producing more interest from our flat friends.

Here are some pix for reference - there's some stuff going here that needs 'splainin':

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Let's go through the mods to the B/S-Rig that turn it into the F-Yeah Rig. I’ll give my reasoning at each step. It's tied as follows:

a/ first I pull a couple of feet my 40lb Big Game mono from its factory 1/4lb spool. This is the line I use for both the B/S and F-Yeah. Why? Because when used with 20lb braid, if snagged in the rough bottom I fish, the 40lb mono is often times strong enough to "bull" the rig free. Or if its hopelessly hung, it will usually let go at one of its knots - sparing my braid main line. It's very common to have the rig (B/S or F-Yeah) break at the bottom of the dropper knot - thus saving your $1.50 6" Grub. Hey, getting back something is way better than having the main line break, thus losing everything.

I would forget the "finesse" leader materials like fluoro (no need in 80 - 90 feet of water), as well as any leader strength less than 40lb test. Who wants to be endlessly retying-on fresh rigs, eating up precious drift time? Time spent without your rig fishing on the bottom, is time wasted. Avoid this at all costs.

b/ Next I make a big dropper loop, and I mean big.

c/ Then from the dropper's knot I go approx 14-15" and make a two-turn Surgeon's loop to carry the sinker.

d/ Back to the dropper loop - find the knot end and cut the LOWER part of the loop, tight to the knot. This creates the hook's "leader." Cut the bottom part of the loop because, well, see above. At least you sometimes get the worm back. Better than nothing.

e/ Put your hook onto the the "leader" and adjust the length so that it ends up with the hook just above the Surgeon's loop. If you followed the recipe so far, that would make the "leader" right around 9".

f/ Tie your hook onto the leader. I like a 5/0 Gamakatsu bait holder for this, seeing as you can no longer easily find my preferred Mustad 3400BN. I use a 5-turn Improved Clinch Knot, but feel free to use any knot you like - a reverse snell is nice, or even a well-tied Uni-knot would be fine.

g/ Go up 10” or so from the dropper loop and tie on a small barrel swivel. No need for a ball bearing version, unless you truly are “bucks up.”

h/ Optional - I've found that putting a glow bead and a small styro float above the hook has had a positive effect on my results - this is shown in the pix. The glow bead adds attraction, and the styro float adds that tiny amount of buoyancy that keeps the hook up off bottom crap snags as the boat rolls in the inevitable wave action that rougher days always produce.

Though I recently have been using silicone skirts on my "normal" B/S-Rigs, I do not on the F-Yeah. I believe it adds more water drag, which I am trying to minimize in the first place.

The styro float in the pic is NLA, as the Northport tackle shop that used to stock them closed up after its owner passed away. Never fear, substitutes are available as follows.

Where to find suitable styro floats and glow beads? Here's some links that can help -

Floats - get the #7 size. I bought the #6 size and have to use two on the leader in order to get the buoyancy I'm looking for:


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Glow Beads - get the 10x7mm size:


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Special Bonus Tip -

Here are the clear beads I put on my main line, ahead of my rig's swivel. Why? Because using these beads prevents the swivel from hitting my tip-top’s delicate ceramic ring - potentially cracking it, or knocking it right out of its metal frame. Stupid sh*t happens on boats, this prevents one of those unfortunate events from putting your favorite setup out of action on an important trip.


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Let's see, what more can I add? Oh yeah, the reason I call it "Brian's F-Yeah Rig" is because back whenever BriBri would boat a real good one, he would repeatedly yell at the top of his lungs "F YEAH!," thereby alerting every boat within 500 yards that our drift line just produced a whopper. Yep, that was great. My buddy KenScot used to get a hell of a kick out of this. Me? Decidedly less so. Brian was and still is a very "unique" dude. :rolleyes:

Anyway, tie up some of these and give 'em a try on those "problematic" drift days. You can thank me later. Don't use them on calm days as the hook droops too much without the fast drift, (even with the styro float) thus making a less than attractive, um, attractor. ;)
Man, you can't get a more detailed description than that on tying this specialty rig. I am grateful for the few you gifted to me last trip and while I don't look forward to the days when this type of set up works, it sure beats catching less due to tough conditions.

One last observation. Probably one of the most popular writers for the LIF in its early years was Matt Ahern who penned many fabulous tales of his fishing adventures from childhood to senior citizen years. I recall he also mentioned the insight about using longer leaders while Cod fishing on days with really strong tides and fast drifts. Perhaps you were thinking of the same article?
 
One last observation. Probably one of the most popular writers for the LIF in its early years was Matt Ahern who penned many fabulous tales of his fishing adventures from childhood to senior citizen years. I recall he also mentioned the insight about using longer leaders while Cod fishing on days with really strong tides and fast drifts. Perhaps you were thinking of the same article?
Not really. I was thinking of my experiences fishing Cox’s Ledge on the Viking Star every Summer for many years (along with you know who as my fishing partner), what seems like 100 years ago. Days we couldn’t drift - and so had to sit on the hook, long leaders always got it done. At least that's how I remember it. Won some big pools back then using those longer-leader hooks.

Next time you’re at my house, take a look at the “picture wall” in my office. A couple of those Viking Star pool-winners are hung there. Also, you can have the pleasure of seeing me 40lbs lighter and with MUCH more hair. Hey, it was a looong time ago, and I really believed I was quite "the catch." But you'd have to ask Wifey about that. 🙄
 
Some of the best times of my then-young life were spent on that boat, the old Viking Star. I was completely unattached. Great drinking at Saliva's before the trips (shot pool one early morning with a local chick that paid off her game loss in a very special way - God, I loved that place!). Great, great cod fishing. Just a wonderful part of my life that I'm glad I got to experience, before settling down and becoming a "domesticated sheep."

🐑 Baaaah!
 
The Lep Rig is the only rig I use off the kayak in the backbay. (I fish the 5mph channels which go from 12' to 35'.) A lead 3/4 oz white and dressed bucktail with a curly tail Gulp! on the bottom and 14" up on a dropper loop a 3/0 with plain white bucktail and another Gulp!. The last two years I have added some pink silicon strips on the bottom buck as well. I haven't bought bait since 2005 when I started kayak fishing. Wife happy. A happy wife is a happy life. Thanks again Pete !
 
Coxes Ledge stories could be a thread unto itself!

4am...Giant Cod!
You are correct, Overbored. I could probably contribute at least a dozen good stories about my Coxes Ledge days, both on party boats and my own vessels. Maybe start one up when things calm down this winter after the Tog season ends.
 
Not really. I was thinking of my experiences fishing Cox’s Ledge on the Viking Star every Summer for many years (along with you know who as my fishing partner), what seems like 100 years ago. Days we couldn’t drift - and so had to sit on the hook, long leaders always got it done. At least that's how I remember it. Won some big pools back then using those longer-leader hooks.

Next time you’re at my house, take a look at the “picture wall” in my office. A couple of those Viking Star pool-winners are hung there. Also, you can have the pleasure of seeing me 40lbs lighter and with MUCH more hair. Hey, it was a looong time ago, and I really believed I was quite "the catch." But you'd have to ask Wifey about that. 🙄
I recall seeing a few of those pictures on prior visits. Hell, we all looked a lot better that far back!!:ROFLMAO:
 
Oh, I almost forgot. I did forget actually, but it came back to me today. Meh, it's not good, getting old. Anyway, years ago, when Brian fished with me he did use something he called the "Flukerr Floater Rig." It was a normal bait-type rig, with a long leadered hook and sinker setup, except it had a small float ahead of the hook - and it worked reasonably well.

It was his way of avoiding the skate problem that has always plagued our mid-Island open bottom fluking. My way was the B/S rig, and both rigs did work, but in different ways. Adding the float to the F-Yeah rig must have been a deep-seated memory of mine from way back then. I guess this is yet another reason to call the modded B/S rig what I did. Huh, how 'bout that? 🤷‍♂️
 

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