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Yeah I really got no clue what them graphics are supposed to represent other than whoever’s looking at them isn’t smart enough to interpret them like Roccus just explained
Actually cellie the last time you posted similar type of charts I thanked you sarcastically for using supporting documents that proves your take on this whole mess is wrong lol

Is fox trying to make a point for or against taking action because regardless of what they are trying to do the info in the charts shoots themselves in the foot
 
Yeah I really got no clue what them graphics are supposed to represent other than whoever’s looking at them isn’t smart enough to interpret them like Roccus just explained
Actually cellie the last time you posted similar type of charts I thanked you sarcastically for using supporting documents that proves your take on this whole mess is wrong lol

Is fox trying to make a point for or against taking action because regardless of what they are trying to do the info in the charts shoots themselves in the foot

I don’t know, playback the Life, Liberty & Levine episode... C22...
 
btw, 4 day Civil War battles topped +25,000 men too... cellie...

Deaths or Casualties? Gettysburg 3 day death total was only 7,058 (3155 Yankees and 3903 Confederates). Don't know of a 4 day battle. Siege of Vicksburg that lasted 2.5 months deaths 4,835 total for both sides.

What 4-day battle(s) are you citing??? Excuse me being a PITA, but I can't abide with misquoted data...
 
For you folks banking on an Antibody Tests, the wait will be for a while, at least until my colleagues at my former employer get their test out, which will be accurate, but necessitate an instrument.

Antibody Test, Seen as Key to Reopening Country, Does Not Yet Deliver The tests, many made in China without F.D.A. approval, are often inaccurate.

Some doctors are misusing them. The rollout is nowhere close to the demand.

By Steve Eder, Megan Twohey and Apoorva Mandavilli April 19, 2020 Updated 7:36 p.m. ET

A law firm in Scottsdale, Ariz., tested employees who hoped, with the prick of a finger, to learn if they might be immune. In Laredo, Texas, community leaders secured 20,000 of the new tests to gauge how many residents had been infected. In Chicago, a hospital screened firefighters to help determine whether they could safely stay on the job.

In recent weeks, the United States has seen the first rollout of blood tests for coronavirus antibodies, widely heralded as crucial tools to assess the reach of the pandemic in the United States, restart the economy and reintegrate society.

But for all their promise, the tests — intended to signal whether people may have built immunity to the virus — are already raising alarms.

Officials fear the effort may prove as problematic as the earlier launch of diagnostic tests that failed to monitor which Americans, and how many, had been infected or developed the disease the virus causes. Criticized for a tragically slow and rigid oversight of those tests months ago, the federal government is now faulted by public health officials and scientists for greenlighting the antibody tests too quickly and without adequate scrutiny.

The Food and Drug Administration has allowed about 90 companies, many based in China, to sell tests that have not gotten government vetting, saying the pandemic warrants an urgent response. But the agency has since warned that some of those businesses are making false claims about their products; health officials, like their counterparts overseas, have found others deeply flawed.

Tests of “frankly dubious quality” have flooded the American market, said Scott Becker, executive director of the Association of Public Health Laboratories. Many of them, akin to home pregnancy tests, are easy to take and promise rapid results.

And the federal guidance that does exist is so confusing that health care providers are administering certain tests unaware that they may not be authorized to do so. Some are misusing antibody test results to diagnose the disease, not realizing that they can miss the early stages of infection.

“People don’t understand how dangerous this test is,” said Michael T. Osterholm, an infectious disease expert at the University of Minnesota. “We sacrificed quality for speed, and in the end, when it’s people’s lives that are hanging in the balance, safety has to take precedence over speed.”

Even as government agencies, companies and academic researchers scramble to validate existing tests and create better ones, there are doubts they can deliver as promised. Most tests now available mistakenly flag at least some people as having antibodies when they do not, which could foster a dangerously false belief that those people have immunity.

And even if the tests do improve, their availability could be hampered by the same manufacturing shortages that have prevented the Covid-19 diagnostic tests from scaling up adequately.

As President Trump presses to reopen the country and several states are considering lifting lockdowns in the next few weeks, widespread screening is considered critical. On Friday, Mr. Trump cheered the F.D.A.’s emergency approval of some antibody tests, saying they would support efforts to get Americans back to work “by showing us who might have developed the wonderful, beautiful, immunity.”
 
Battle of Gettysburg...


Hate to break it to you, but:

Battle Casualties = Deaths plus Wounded. Your Wiki citation only reports "Casualties". My Gettysburg citation above is Deaths.

Since your initial graphic was deaths, one must assume that you continued along that vein, although you just provided a number without any definition as to what the number represented.

If you want to talk "Casualties", well there's 746K confirmed positive COVID-19 folks in the country and it's highly likely that the real number is much higher, at least 4-5 times more.

Want to cite data? GREAT, but do it ACCURATELY PLEASE!! It's the scientist in me, NOT cabin fever, nor just being a PITA. It's professional training and responsibility! This COVID-19 stuff is serious and deserves serious and accurate commentary.

OK, I'm going to bed, but thanks for raising my blood pressure...
 
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here’s a civil war facto page, over the 4 year war they averaged 675,000 lives were lost,... that’s bout 15,000 / month... percentage by population-during that.the terrible time was damaging... amen ?... C22...


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here’s a civil war facto page, over the 4 year war they averaged 675,000 lives were lost,... that’s bout 15,000 / month... percentage by population-during that.the terrible time was damaging... amen ?... C22...


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Ding, Ding Ding!!! Absolutely correct fact. You looking for a participation trophy now because you post numbers and finally got a set right?

What's more interesting, if you dive into your newly discovered knowledge:

  • That death count represented 2% of the population

  • ~2/3 of those deaths were caused by disease, many caused by childhood diseases like Measles and Mumps because of city folk who had some levels of antibodies in close contact with rural folks.

  • So that's a death rate by disease of around 113K per year. If we don't do anything about COVID-19, we'll meet and probably exceed that number too
Once again, what point are you trying to get across with your "Numbers"?? If you're trying to downplay the magnitude of the COVID-19 situation, you're not succeeding. On the other hand, are you looking for a new career as an Actuary?

I love ya Cell, but I'm not seeing a cogent discussion here...
 
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my point, please... have a good day...

Although I still can't see your point beyond the Civil War was a horrible experience, taking a gruesome toll on life and the country, that's fine.

FYI, besides being a retired bioscientist who has worked in the field of infectious disease assays for over 37 years, I'm a Civil War aficionado, stats from today's exchange quoted from memory...
 
#1 Stalingrad 2 million casualties ....starvation...disease.....and the cold took a high toll

My turn to quote the classics... Even got the accent correct, ;)

Et tu Bruté?

My initial selected quote went something like "...you and the horse you rode in on!!"
 
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My initial selected quote went something like "...you and the horse you rode in on!!"
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