Coronavirus
- Thread starter wader
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This sums it up well...
“Flattening the curve didn’t mean stop the infection, but spread it out so that the system could handle it. I am seeing so much anxiety about resuming business, and so much anger about continued regulations. People are feeling the need to catapult to one side or the other, then fight the opposition.
Here’s my perspective, from a mainstream medical model. I think a lot of folks have fallen into the idea that social distancing was meant to stop the viral spread. It wasn’t. It was meant to SLOW it while we put medical infrastructure in place. It’s not perfect, but it’s much better than it was seven weeks ago.
A vaccine is a long way off. At some point, people have to be systematically exposed to begin the building of (hopeful) herd immunity. We will likely begin to experience a real increase in cases after reopening. Ideally, that exposure is controlled and calculated, in phases, to allow our medical community to respond adequately, and reduce the number of severe or fatal cases. That’s where we are.
Whether you feel like things will be opening too soon, or not soon enough, we were never going to social distance this thing into nonexistence. You now need to proceed as your health, wallet, and conscience allow.
If you are medically vulnerable, you do not need to be a part of what is about to happen. Stay home if you can. If you’re not, or if your financial vulnerability trumps your health concerns, you need to proceed in ways that continue to protect yourself, and the elderly and medically vulnerable around you.
All of us need to calm down. Quit telling people who are financially struggling that they don’t care about human lives. Quit telling people who are truly at risk of dying from this virus that they are cowering in fear. Remember that until you’ve walked in someone else’s shoes, you should probably be careful in your judgements and subsequent harsh words.
We don’t HAVE to choose an either/or proposition and fight. We could choose other ways to be. Examples include but are not limited to:
“I think this may be too soon, so I will continue to shelter myself, and pray/make masks/ check on those who can’t.”
“I really need to go back to work, so I will do so, but I will be careful and try to protect myself, my family, and those around me with healthy strategies.”
See how those positions allow each of us to do what we need to, and also respect those who are choosing differently?
One thing that allows us to do this is humility. I can acknowledge that I am not an epidemiologist/economist/whatever, that I am making decisions based on my understanding of complex subjects and my own personal health and financial situation, that I am not all knowing, always right, and an expert in all fields, and that each person around me is doing their best too. We can make different choices and still be a supportive community. We can learn and evolve in our understanding of these issues.
“Flattening the curve didn’t mean stop the infection, but spread it out so that the system could handle it. I am seeing so much anxiety about resuming business, and so much anger about continued regulations. People are feeling the need to catapult to one side or the other, then fight the opposition.
Here’s my perspective, from a mainstream medical model. I think a lot of folks have fallen into the idea that social distancing was meant to stop the viral spread. It wasn’t. It was meant to SLOW it while we put medical infrastructure in place. It’s not perfect, but it’s much better than it was seven weeks ago.
A vaccine is a long way off. At some point, people have to be systematically exposed to begin the building of (hopeful) herd immunity. We will likely begin to experience a real increase in cases after reopening. Ideally, that exposure is controlled and calculated, in phases, to allow our medical community to respond adequately, and reduce the number of severe or fatal cases. That’s where we are.
Whether you feel like things will be opening too soon, or not soon enough, we were never going to social distance this thing into nonexistence. You now need to proceed as your health, wallet, and conscience allow.
If you are medically vulnerable, you do not need to be a part of what is about to happen. Stay home if you can. If you’re not, or if your financial vulnerability trumps your health concerns, you need to proceed in ways that continue to protect yourself, and the elderly and medically vulnerable around you.
All of us need to calm down. Quit telling people who are financially struggling that they don’t care about human lives. Quit telling people who are truly at risk of dying from this virus that they are cowering in fear. Remember that until you’ve walked in someone else’s shoes, you should probably be careful in your judgements and subsequent harsh words.
We don’t HAVE to choose an either/or proposition and fight. We could choose other ways to be. Examples include but are not limited to:
“I think this may be too soon, so I will continue to shelter myself, and pray/make masks/ check on those who can’t.”
“I really need to go back to work, so I will do so, but I will be careful and try to protect myself, my family, and those around me with healthy strategies.”
See how those positions allow each of us to do what we need to, and also respect those who are choosing differently?
One thing that allows us to do this is humility. I can acknowledge that I am not an epidemiologist/economist/whatever, that I am making decisions based on my understanding of complex subjects and my own personal health and financial situation, that I am not all knowing, always right, and an expert in all fields, and that each person around me is doing their best too. We can make different choices and still be a supportive community. We can learn and evolve in our understanding of these issues.
JoeBfishing
Well-Known Angler
That’s exactly what I’ve been doing since the beginning of this pandemic. Some by choice and some by others choosing for me...I always wash my hands. I try never to touch my face now...I haven’t missed a day of work... but that’s only because of the work I do... Well said JPD... respect.??
movetheboat
Well-Known Angler
movetheboat
Well-Known Angler
So is this lock down a violation of our rights and freedoms as I hear from "some" out there...way out. Or are we a nation of law and order who elect officials to make and enforce laws like it or not.
Dx life Rx fishing
Angler
And there it is. when faced with defeat the name calling begins.
movetheboat
Well-Known Angler
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
Well tell that to the resturantuer
The cook
The dishwasher
Store owner
while you enjoy putting things in your nice littel box
Because I happen to run a particular business
I’m not arguing for my own interest
Go back to page one
I’m ok
I’ll be ok
a lot of others won’t be ok
Sooner you get that through your head the easier it’ll be for you to understand
The cook
The dishwasher
Store owner
while you enjoy putting things in your nice littel box
Because I happen to run a particular business
I’m not arguing for my own interest
Go back to page one
I’m ok
I’ll be ok
a lot of others won’t be ok
Sooner you get that through your head the easier it’ll be for you to understand
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
At least you get that part
Progressive is the most derogatory thing I can call someone
miserable invasive ideology
longcast
Well-Known Angler
EXACTLY. Well said.
longcast
Well-Known Angler
That about sums it up. Like mullet running down the beach in September with bass and bluefish picking them off!!! Some make it, others do not.
movetheboat
Well-Known Angler
The worst ideology is the unflexible one.....
Not too much confusion going on out there...
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California inmates tried to infect themselves with coronavirus in hopes of release, sheriff says
CELLFISH
Well-Known Angler
I would prefer to do percentages...but now its not just us old people living on SS benefits and pensions but its children with this "kawasaki-like" disease that may or may not be china virus related. I am curious to see how many people up and leave Newyorkistan once they are financially able to do so. We were already the top loser population-loss wise before this china virus hit. Just wait until our taxes rise even more to make up all the loss. Except for family (and the occasional years when we actually have a nice spring), I would have been long gone.
longcast
Well-Known Angler
The exodus will continue and actually accelerate. Many companies had folks working remotely for one reason or another. Then the pandemic hits and companies are FORCED to exist with staff working remotely. Many, many companies are testing this model to GET OUT OF NYS. Companies will make money if they can keep the workforce offsite. Just think of the commercial space no longer needed!! And people will actually feel better about leaving NYS knowing they have a good job. It's happening.
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