ASMFC Striped Bass Draft Addendum III - Plain English Summary

[OVERBORED]

@OVERBORED Why should anyone have the right to board you for no reason at all? You can't do that in Florida and there is finally some discussion about stopping it here. Also Florida's ocean facing shoreline is 10x that of NY. we're comparing apples to oranges.

Fishing regulations are basically an honor system. Either you follow the rules or you don't. No amount of enforcement will ever change that.

Besides, enforcement doesn't do anything to get us more fish. It only gives us less freedoms. It's not added in anywhere in any of the numbers. So sadly it just doesn't matter.

Freedoms......what a joke.

Stop and see frisk was the single biggest deterrent of crime in NYC but unfortunately couldn't survive the liberal axe.

Being stopped and questioned by a boat with 6 armed federalies in Panama was a fairly good deterrent.

Getting boarded is not such a big deal as you make it out to be. It's the only thing we have that could possibly prevent complete anarchy on the water.

But this is about Striped Bass and the inevitable closure that is being faced. In all the years of regulations were still at this point 30 years later. Who messed up the management and why do they continue calling the shots? Maybe that's the first question we should be asking.

 

[hawk375]

sorry overboard a commercial share is 168 fish for year

 

[OVERBORED]

sorry overboard a commercial share is 168 fish for year

I know many recs that take that many fish and more so what's your point?

 

[george]

@overboard You’re right. Let’s move the stop and frisk and enforcement talk into a new thread.

As for blame, that’s easy. It sits squarely with the fisheries managers who have let politics run the show. Instead of sticking with the science, which even at its best is a coin toss, they try to appease every side. Then they pick some arbitrary restoration date without the guts to follow through.

Kicking the can down the road is the easiest thing to do when nobody really knows what's happening in the ocean. If I had to bet, they will extend the plan again and keep the political games going until the resource is gone. It wouldn't be the first time. Just look at cod, mackerel, flounder, fluke, tog, and on and on.

Why would striped bass turn out any different?

Finally, I don't know any rec that takes 168 fish a year. That's a lot of fishing at 1 a day.

 

[hawk375]

the point is 168 for the year you said 1 net gets more the point the point is the recs and there politcal power has taken striped bass away from restaurants fish store and consumers so they could overfish a fish they took away from commercials because they overfished it

 

[pequa1]

Typo ? 168 fish BETWEEN April 15 and December 15 ? there are only 245 days in that span.

 

[george]

the point is 168 for the year you said 1 net gets more the point the point is the recs and there politcal power has taken striped bass away from restaurants fish store and consumers so they could overfish a fish they took away from commercials because they overfished it

It's funny, you think we have the power and I think you guys have the power. I guess that's how DEC wants it. But if we had power wouldn't we get more of the rest of fish in the ocean?

 

[pequa1]

Somewhere a billion chinese, russians and japanese are laughing.

 

[OVERBORED]

Somewhere a billion chinese, russians and japanese are laughing.

And fishing in a barren wasteland.

 

[captmike28]

Sorry captain mike you are wrong again when charter party fleet had 2 fish limit a party boat with 50 fares could catch more than a commercial boat in 1 day if they had 2 trips.A charter boat with 6 fares would get more in 8 days which was common practice at the time which led to great overfishing so why should your industry be rewarded for raping a resource

I was never an advocate for the 2 fish limit for the for-hire folks, and I still feel the same way today. You make it sound like only the for-hire folks and recreational anglers put us in the situation we are now facing when we both know it is more complicated than that, i.e. poor recruitment, lack of bait, pollution, environmental changes, overfishing, etc.

I have no problem with a tag system for all participants. What is your solution? Give all of the fish that are supposed to be a "shared resource" to only one participant group? George is correct when he observes that the fisheries managers have us just where they want us " at each other's throats". And what will that do but give them cause to simply shut down the fishery for everyone.