Banning all charter and party boats from Marinas in South Hampton

[Roccus7]

Pass a law no summer homes. One home per family .

Just how do you think such a law could be considered constitutional? Regardless, many NY politicians, both state and Federal, Chuckles included, have that second Hamptons house so you've got 2 chances for State action, SLIM and NONE.

Sorry to say, but the North Fork is morphing into the Hamptons, marina prices included.

My North Fork friend in Jamesport, is fed up and planning his Exodus.

 

[george]

I agree with @AllHands. Anyone familiar with that area saw this coming years ago. Then COVID arrived and it happened. Money talks. Always did always will. And that's not limited to long island.

 

[Pangaroo]

I went out to Deer Park to see my uncles old home that he bought around 1960. The whole area was woods in 1960 . My father worked at AIL Defense Company right down the road and stopped by for lunch. Go there now and it's a horror show , shopping centers, factories , homes everywhere. Did anybody like nature back then ?
1980 you could buy a home in Nassau county for $30,000 ( a modest size home), work for the Post Office and do quite well. Now homes are $500,000 plus.

 

[AllHands]

I agree with @AllHands. Anyone familiar with that area saw this coming years ago. Then COVID arrived and it happened. Money talks. Always did always will. And that's not limited to long island.

George I’m not happy to see it happen. I moved out there in the late 90’s with a young family because it was affordable.I worked in the city (FDNY) and although the commute wasn’t easy I never minded because I loved what I did and loved where we lived. Anyhow I don’t want to derail the purpose of this thread. I’ll end with this. I had the pleasure of talking to you and your wife because of your firefighter quarterly awards at Russo’s. You and your wife’s genuine kindness and concern has never been forgotten. Thank you, keep up the great work here, and of course tight lines.

 

[captmike28]

Sadly, I am all too familiar with the negative trend both yourself, and anyone who lives. works, or just enjoys being on eastern LI has had to observe for decades now. I suspect many of us, especially those in our senior years, have very fond memories of what the area used to be, but despite how active we may become it's pretty difficult to halt all progress when it comes to the big money behind these projects.

Certainly, many folks have chosen the path you took by leaving NY and it certainly has its appeal from many different perspectives. If I can ever convince my wife of the need to do this, I will make the transition in a heartbeat. Until then I am also grateful for the really dedicated guys like George that are fighting as hard as they can to slow the degradation of the areas we all love so much. George already knows I try to do my part in helping him and supporting our overall cause.

 

[george]

George I’m not happy to see it happen. I moved out there in the late 90’s with a young family because it was affordable.I worked in the city (FDNY) and although the commute wasn’t easy I never minded because I loved what I did and loved where we lived. Anyhow I don’t want to derail the purpose of this thread. I’ll end with this. I had the pleasure of talking to you and your wife because of your firefighter quarterly awards at Russo’s. You and your wife’s genuine kindness and concern has never been forgotten. Thank you, keep up the great work here, and of course tight lines.

I greatly appreciate your kind words and I hope you are doing well. Unfortunately, I have noticed a concerning trend of fewer untouched areas along the coast, which I personally consider to be virgin areas. Over the past four years, I have had a winter home in Naples, and I have witnessed the transformation of former cow farms into large townhouses.

However, what worries me is that the same thing happening in the Hamptons will eventually occur in every town that decides they don't want people like us, who enjoy recreational angling, in their marina. These individuals, who never leave the dock and remain seated in their chairs, are telling us that we need to leave. As recreational anglers, we face numerous challenges, but this particular issue is different as it will determine the future of our coast. It revolves around our access to the seas and our ability to continue enjoying the open waters and fishing grounds. It is deeply connected to our history and how our towns were built. Essentially, it boils down to a group of wealthy elites excluding us from our own heritage.

The implications of this issue extend beyond the specific port you sail out of or how you earn a living on the seas. It is a problem that will eventually affect every town. If this were to happen on the north shore, for instance, there would only be a handful of boats available, which is already a challenge we face.

I believe that this issue unites all factions of our fishery, including party boats, charter boats, and all commercial sectors. We are all being bullied, and I refuse to passively accept it.

 

[longcast]

Capt. Mike as a "leftover" you realize you live and work on the north annex of the south fork. This is my opinion, but over the last ten plus years and especially since covid there has been a huge influx of wealthy individuals who will pay whatever it takes to get what they want. Sorry to say, but the North Fork is morphing into the Hamptons, marina prices included. That being said I bailed last year to the Carolina's after living there full time for twenty something years. I hope I'm wrong because i still have friends there but if the last election is any indication I think the town of Southold is becoming the playground of wealthy progressives.

You are not wrong. Dead on.

 

[Pangaroo]

I'll never vacation with other Long Islanders , not very appealing. The whole purpose of a vacation is to get away and see different things/lifestyles . What can you do out there on eastern LI other than sit on the beach ? You can't go in the woods with the ticks and take walks. Eastern Long Island is for Sportsmen.

 

[george]

Let's keep this discussion on track. This is about whether or not anglers can organize an effort to defeat this. Nothing else.

 

[Pangaroo]

Just how do you think such a law could be considered constitutional? Regardless, many NY politicians, both state and Federal, Chuckles included, have that second Hamptons house so you've got 2 chances for State action, SLIM and NONE.


My North Fork friend in Jamesport, is fed up and planning his Exodus.

George , just relying here, I'll keep things on track from now on. Roccus, I know it'll never happen , but that's what the residents out there should be doing. Maybe they could have 5 acre zoning to limit the number of homes out there going forward.

 

[Dx life Rx fishing]

Rich libs think nothing of history. Woke cancel culture and all that. Fishing is not their identity

How in the world do you know they are libs? SMH

 

[george]

Again keep it on track. @pequa1 If you need to reply please send him a PM. This is already a politically charged issue. No need to add fuel to that fire.

 

[BennyV]

It all comes down to one word. Access.

I notice that in most areas water access is being limited more and more. This is just another facet of that.

The charter boat meeting and regulations, which we have many to deal with as it is, will only get more frequent & worse unless we attend meetings and make our voices heard.

Any charter/party boat Captain will tell you it is hard enough to find a marina that will accommodate your business, now this shows it’s ugly head. Not going to be the first or last time. Of that I’m sure. We need to know how to pivot to come out on top.

I’m not talking about going to meetings to rant and rave. There needs to be of a much more modern approach.

The way to beat this is to work with local politicians and business leaders that know the value of having these boats for hire in the backyard. These customers spend money. Lodging, food (delis, restaurants, grocery stores), and local bait & tackle shops all see the money that these fares spend. Revenue getting pumped into the local economy from customers frequenting these vessels will fuel both local businesses and the tax base. As someone said its all about MONEY. No charter/party boat = less revenue.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[george]

It all comes down to one word. Access.

I notice that in most areas water access is being limited more and more. This is just another facet of that.

The charter boat meeting and regulations, which we have many to deal with as it is, will only get more frequent & worse unless we attend meetings and make our voices heard.

Any charter/party boat Captain will tell you it is hard enough to find a marina that will accommodate your business, now this shows it’s ugly head. Not going to be the first or last time. Of that I’m sure. We need to know how to pivot to come out on top.

I’m not talking about going to meetings to rant and rave. There needs to be of a much more modern approach.

The way to beat this is to work with local politicians and business leaders that know the value of having these boats for hire in the backyard. These customers spend money. Lodging, food (delis, restaurants, grocery stores), and local bait & tackle shops all see the money that these fares spend. Revenue getting pumped into the local economy from customers frequenting these vessels will fuel both local businesses and the tax base. As someone said its all about MONEY. No charter/party boat = less revenue.

Just my 2 cents.

You are spot on my friend.

 

[OVERBORED]

Frankly, I'm surprised the Shinnecock nation didn't have something to say about this. If anyone should be awarded this property its them, not the town of SH!

That said, everything is a land grab today.

All those potato farmers on the north fork never imagined their land would be worth so much! All but gone now......all changed.

Even Breimeres farms pies are not fresh made like they used to be.

 

[george]

Even Breimeres farms pies are not fresh made like they used to be.

Say it ain't so.

 

[Chinacat]

A very respected local captain, based in Hampton Bays who runs Someday Came Charters, who is most familiar with the area was very proactive in this matter and organized a group to attend todays meeting with him
He reported on his IG account this afternoon that the Southampton Town Board has withdrawn any all possible legislation regarding the ban of charter boats in residential marinas at todays public board meeting!!!!!!

 

[captmike28]

A very respected local captain, based in Hampton Bays who runs Someday Came Charters, who is most familiar with the area was very proactive in this matter and organized a group to attend todays meeting with him
He reported on his IG account this afternoon that the Southampton Town Board has withdrawn any all possible legislation regarding the ban of charter boats in residential marinas at todays public board meeting!!!!!!

One more small victory and the best present a dedicated angler or charter captain can receive!!

 

[george]

There was a ton of pressure put on them. I heard through the grapevine that is was DOA and I'm happy to see the result! It shows what can be accomplished when all sectors are involved.

 

[Roccus7]

There was a ton of pressure put on them. I heard through the grapevine that is was DOA and I'm happy to see the result! It shows what can be accomplished when all sectors are involved.

Oh, the humanity!!! Now the "Poor Folk" who party late into the night and then crash on their multi-million dollar Yach-its will continued to be subjected to the noise and smell that those trashy fishermen make in the wee hours of the morning!!!