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JackPrintMD
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What a perfect example of how bad the current administration has handled even the simplest of important situations for the people.
wader
Well-Known Angler
so are the ones that I bought from CVS..
BTW - most insurances companies will cover the cost of the tests - United Healthcare picks up the cost for 6 per month
I recall reading that Medicare is going to start picking up the cost next month. I don't recall if you needed to have Medicare Part A for them to do that. I think that's the Part that covers prescriptions.
My former employer (Estee Lauder) covers my prescriptionss & acts as my supplemental insurance free of cost for life so I don't have prescription coverage under Medicare.
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So far the BCBS I pay for out of my federal pension picks up much of our prescription costs which are thankfully low so far as we age. I also did not purchase prescription coverage from either Medicare or Tricare for Life. I am going to wait to submit for reimbursement from BCBS for the test kits my son picked up for us (on our dime of course lol) since I want to make sure our annual deductibles are covered by our doctors submitting over the next couple of months to Medicare Part B, then to BCBS, then to Tricare for Life, otherwise the twenty or forty bucks would just be "thrown away."
I don't know how these "experts" can make the generalization that freezing will reduce the accuracy of these tests in that there is no hard and fast rule that a few freeze/thaw cycles will always hurt these type of tests. It really depends on the individual test's EXACT formulation and that's a fact from 37 years of experience with In Vitro Diagnostics.
I'd hazard a guess that the folks quoted here have never developed and brought a commercial lateral flow antigen diagnostic test in their careers. I've run into products where we actually improved their performance by doing a freeze before shipping, and many products are shipped on dry ice.
Is it optimal for them to get frozen? Without specific data NO, but you can't generalize things and say a freeze hurts their sensitivity.
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
That’s what we need at this point
More maybes
news flash two years in ppl are tired and fed up with the in the know crowd
Being wrong and then falling back on maybe
no one cares if you’ve brought 100k test to market or worked on 100 shots n pills
You still don’t know crap about covid and have to date been wrong at every turn
I’m case you have not gotten the memo we aren’t your lab rats
Borrowed from one of my favorite shooting websites:
The COVID quacks were wrong about everything. Let’s take a quick trip through their latest blunders, shall we?
They were wrong about masks. They finally admitted the cloth masks they’d been telling everybody to wear for two years are worthless and everybody should wear N95 masks. They’re wrong about that, too. N95 masks cause higher carbon dioxide levels, cognitive impairment, headaches, cardio-pulmonary stress, and even fatal heart attacks.
They were wrong about the definition of COVID deaths. Public health authorities have routinely inflated the numbers by including people who die from other causes but happen to test positive for COVID. The CDC finally admitted maybe that wasn’t a good idea and they really should separate out the number who are hospitalized for other reasons and test positive after being admitted for something else. We’ve been jumping up and down about this for two years and we were right.
They were wrong about lockdowns. Twenty-four studies now show lockdowns “have had little to no public health effects, [but] have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted.”
They were wrong about mandates and are now back-pedaling in Illinois, New York, three Canadian provinces, and Sweden. Just the News NBC-5 Chicago Reuters AP The Democrats in control of Virginia’s state senate just voted to make masks optional in school. Why is this happening now? As Florida’s Governor Ron DeSantis put it, the medical science didn’t change, but the political science has. Government officials now realize they’ve taken this COVID mandate thing just about as far as it will go. People aren’t putting up with mandates anymore. The mandates are becoming more unpopular by the day and the Democrats in control of places like Illinois and New York can see the November elections barreling down the tracks at them like a freight train.
The quacks were wrong about natural immunity. They tried to argue people who caught COVID did not develop natural immunity to the disease. The CDC now admits there is natural immunity and it actually works better than the vaccines.
They were wrong about COVID vaccines stopping transmission of disease. The director of the CDC later admitted the vaccines do not prevent transmission. You can be vaccinated and still pass the virus to other people.
They were wrong about how susceptible kids are to the disease. Zeke Emanuel claimed unvaccinated kids are in danger of contracting the virus and getting a “serious condition of Omicron.” When his argument was demolished, he claimed he “misspoke”. Sure.
They were wrong to ignore vitamin D. The information has been out there for a long time, but public health authorities ignored it. Now, a study validates vitamin D deficiency makes people 14 times more susceptible to serious COVID and to die from the disease.
Fauci was wrong and flip-flopped on masks, on whether the vaccinated should wear masks, on whether kids should be in school, and on how much people should interact with each other during the pandemic. Ron DeSantis put the flip-flops in a campaign ad and Fauci comes off looking like an idiot, because he is.
So, they were wrong about masks, COVID deaths, lockdowns, mandates, natural immunity and lots of other things. What else are they wrong about, hmm? Vaccine safety, maybe? They keep saying the COVID vaccines are safe, but over 23,000 Americans have died within 14 days of being vaccinated, so far. Where are the government safety studies that are supposed to be done when a vaccine disaster strikes? What has the government decided about doing such studies? I’m trying to find out. I filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the CDC for this information. First, they delayed, saying my request was ‘complex’, but now they’ve put it in the ordinary queue. What does that really mean? Does it mean they’ll take 75 years to answer like the FDA tried to do in another COVID vaccine FOIA case recently? I’m not willing to wait 75 years. I will soon take steps to speed things up and put my request under court supervision. Stay tuned.
©Christopher Wright. All rights reserved.
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Now, more on the grassy knoll...
The COVID quacks were wrong about everything. Let’s take a quick trip through their latest blunders, shall we?
They were wrong about masks. They finally admitted the cloth masks they’d been telling everybody to wear for two years are worthless and everybody should wear N95 masks. They’re wrong about that, too. N95 masks cause higher carbon dioxide levels, cognitive impairment, headaches, cardio-pulmonary stress, and even fatal heart attacks.
They were wrong about the definition of COVID deaths. Public health authorities have routinely inflated the numbers by including people who die from other causes but happen to test positive for COVID. The CDC finally admitted maybe that wasn’t a good idea and they really should separate out the number who are hospitalized for other reasons and test positive after being admitted for something else. We’ve been jumping up and down about this for two years and we were right.
They were wrong about lockdowns. Twenty-four studies now show lockdowns “have had little to no public health effects, [but] have imposed enormous economic and social costs where they have been adopted.”
They were wrong about mandates and are now back-pedaling in Illinois, New York, three Canadian provinces, and Sweden. Just the News NBC-5 Chicago Reuters AP The Democrats in control of Virginia’s state senate just voted to make masks optional in school. Why is this happening now? As Florida’s Governor Ron DeSantis put it, the medical science didn’t change, but the political science has. Government officials now realize they’ve taken this COVID mandate thing just about as far as it will go. People aren’t putting up with mandates anymore. The mandates are becoming more unpopular by the day and the Democrats in control of places like Illinois and New York can see the November elections barreling down the tracks at them like a freight train.
The quacks were wrong about natural immunity. They tried to argue people who caught COVID did not develop natural immunity to the disease. The CDC now admits there is natural immunity and it actually works better than the vaccines.
They were wrong about COVID vaccines stopping transmission of disease. The director of the CDC later admitted the vaccines do not prevent transmission. You can be vaccinated and still pass the virus to other people.
They were wrong about how susceptible kids are to the disease. Zeke Emanuel claimed unvaccinated kids are in danger of contracting the virus and getting a “serious condition of Omicron.” When his argument was demolished, he claimed he “misspoke”. Sure.
They were wrong to ignore vitamin D. The information has been out there for a long time, but public health authorities ignored it. Now, a study validates vitamin D deficiency makes people 14 times more susceptible to serious COVID and to die from the disease.
Fauci was wrong and flip-flopped on masks, on whether the vaccinated should wear masks, on whether kids should be in school, and on how much people should interact with each other during the pandemic. Ron DeSantis put the flip-flops in a campaign ad and Fauci comes off looking like an idiot, because he is.
So, they were wrong about masks, COVID deaths, lockdowns, mandates, natural immunity and lots of other things. What else are they wrong about, hmm? Vaccine safety, maybe? They keep saying the COVID vaccines are safe, but over 23,000 Americans have died within 14 days of being vaccinated, so far. Where are the government safety studies that are supposed to be done when a vaccine disaster strikes? What has the government decided about doing such studies? I’m trying to find out. I filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the CDC for this information. First, they delayed, saying my request was ‘complex’, but now they’ve put it in the ordinary queue. What does that really mean? Does it mean they’ll take 75 years to answer like the FDA tried to do in another COVID vaccine FOIA case recently? I’m not willing to wait 75 years. I will soon take steps to speed things up and put my request under court supervision. Stay tuned.
©Christopher Wright. All rights reserved.
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Now, more on the grassy knoll...
So Tony, would you care to add your expertise and experience in the development and manufacture of diagnostic tests? I'm sure that you'll claim to have extensive personal experience there.
I do recall you telling us all about the Antibody Assay and how your doctor was going to provide you an absolute number for your test result, even though the test is reported out of the instrument that runs it as either "NEGATIVE" or "POSITIVE". You swore and even doubled down and said you'd get a numeric value from your physician.
We're still waiting for that value...
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
Yes I know you bring that up all the time
Congrats
I’ve been wrong once in this as I miss understood what my dr said you win the pony
And you and your elite scientific community have been wrong well about every second of every day
you’ve spouted bullshit and inconsistencies since day one
Couched it on your education, expertise and all manner of bull crap and have missed the mark
go back to your science thread
That one gets lots of attention
Roflmao
Congrats
I’ve been wrong once in this as I miss understood what my dr said you win the pony
And you and your elite scientific community have been wrong well about every second of every day
you’ve spouted bullshit and inconsistencies since day one
Couched it on your education, expertise and all manner of bull crap and have missed the mark
go back to your science thread
That one gets lots of attention
Roflmao
Never said there weren't warnings. What I said is that the folks in the blurb you cited have no basis for their comments unless they were talking with specific knowledge with a specific assay, especially the Epidemiologist since they never get a course in "Immunoassay 101". At least the pathologist may have some knowledge...
And by the way, no specific knowledge necessary, but if the lowest temperature any diagnostic test kit sustained was actually 1°C, they would be absolutely fine. AAMOF, I doubt there's a single liquid reagent out there that actually freezes at 0°C because just about all of them are salt solutions and don't freeze until temps are well below 0°C. It's the freeze/thaw cycle that may do the damage...
HEAT is the biggest enemy of an assay's sensitivity. I'm generalizing here, but I'd prefer to receive an assay kit that was frozen rather one that sat in a delivery van all day on 95°F summer day. I'd have no qualms running and trusting the results of the former than the latter.
Now all that said, the idea of mailing out 100s of millions of test kits was truly inane. I wonder how many people will actually read and comprehend the directions well enough to run a reputable assay? Yes, the assays have built in procedural controls that tell you if you ran it correctly AND if the reagents were working, so there's some "Freeze Performance Protection", BUT the procedural control does not tell you if you swabbed yourself correctly, and THAT is the biggest problem with any home test. A poorly obtained sample will give poor sensitivity...
Was just waiting for you to finally admit you were wrong. I’ll never mention it again..
Rick67
Well-Known Angler
I put an apostrophe once in the wrong place once. Man oh man you’d think I just fragged his boat.
wader
Well-Known Angler
the other idiocy with these kits:
they were buying & sending out 500 million - single use kits @ 4 per person
they were buying & sending out 500 million - single use kits @ 4 per person
- there are 300+ million citizens
- at 500 million by 4 per person that 500 million will only make it to about 125 million people at best
- most of those who ordered them probably won't get them
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
oh I’m wrong plenty
That’s nothing new
but I’ve called this almost every step of the way
Not as a scientist as a living breathing person that had no choice but to navigate through it while still paying my bills and assuring others could pay theirs
Not as a scientist but as a person that couldn’t just sit on the side lines
As a person that had to look at the realities on the ground at each and every moment
Seeing really seeing without out blinders or bias what real ppl in the same situation were doing and the outcomes from doing it
the science has been wrong and flawed
The reality has been spot on
what I really feel horrible about is that it’s been so wrong and so detrimental that one day when , not if but when a real threat arises we will not be in a position financially or socially to fight it
Because you will never again get 15 days to slow the spread nor all the bullshit that came after
And that will be a real issue
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