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Prior Navy studies show brain hemorrhaging and decompression sickness in marine mammals is due to sonar exposure.
Frontiers | Impacts of Navy Sonar on Whales and Dolphins: Now beyond a Smoking Gun?
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Impacts of Navy Sonar on Whales and Dolphins: Now beyond a Smoking Gun?

The risks military sonar poses to cetaceans received international attention with a highly-publicized mass stranding of Cuvier's beaked whales (Ziphius cavirostris), Blainville's beaked whales (Mesoplodon densirostris), and northern minke whales (Balaenoptera acutorostrata) in the Bahamas in...
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Here is yet another example of why ti is so difficult to effect a change in favor of the fish, mammals, and those who truly care about the environment.

I have mentioned in the past my attending several of the "public comment" sessions that took place before the start of the South Fork (Orsted) wind farms being constructed SE of Block. The supposed scientists on their board had no idea of the fact they were planning to put a bunch of habitat destroying structures right in the middle of Coxes Ledge, until I showed them some of my charts. Many other mistakes of an obvious nature like that became painfully obvious at those meetings, some of which seem to be directly related to the current issues with the right whales.

So, what do the folks who stand to benefit the most from these flawed ideas financially decide to do next. They make the "appearance" of wanting to actually listen to what the public has to say by scheduling more hearings. Only problem is they hide the announcements so well that is almost guarantees a low turnout. I just received a notice by mail this past Saturday 1/21 informing me of a virtual "mariners meeting" to take place on Friday 1/20!!
 
captmike28 said:
They make the "appearance" of wanting to actually listen to what the public has to say by scheduling more hearings. Only problem is they hide the announcements so well that is almost guarantees a low turnout. I just received a notice by mail this past Saturday 1/21 informing me of a virtual "mariners meeting" to take place on Friday 1/20!!
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So typical, driving lobstermen nuts with Right Whale restrictions, but the 24 floating unit wind farm in the middle of migratory routes won't impact whales at all...

Can't make this chit up...
 
Roccus7 said:
Has anyone seen the necropsy results on any of these whales? The silence is "deafening"...
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I believe the necropsy reports will be misleading as they will place the blame squarely on "ship strikes".

Are the ship strikes occurring because the whales are surfacing due to all the sonic activities in the area?

Are the whales becoming disoriented?

Ship strikes are the end result and the easy answer. I'm not sure if it's the correct answer for all these death's.
 
OVERBORED said:
I believe the necropsy reports will be misleading as they will place the blame squarely on "ship strikes".

Are the ship strikes occurring because the whales are surfacing due to all the sonic activities in the area?

Are the whales becoming disoriented?

Ship strikes are the end result and the easy answer. I'm not sure if it's the correct answer for all these death's.
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I'm inclined to agree. There's too much corporate, labor and government money in this. So the results are already a given. Whales be damned.
 
Whatever reason they come up with I'll go with. We give them too much credit for being able to spin stuff and actually keep it secret. Maybe they are overpopulated and ships are striking them...The type of people that study this are not the type to throw the whales under the BUS....or SHIP I would say.

Maybe the windmills or maybe not...let them study it but to condemn the outcome if it isn't the MILLS is senseless to me. I cannot make up my mind and then just poo poo any finding that contradicts it. I don't understand that set conspiracists mindset to tell you the truth.
 
Only the whales will know for sure. Where is Dr Dolittle when we need him ?

But having worked as a fed for 35 years I trust almost nothing coming out of some government spokesperson’s yap and absolutely nothing from a politico.
 
movetheboat said:
Whatever reason they come up with I'll go with. We give them too much credit for being able to spin stuff and actually keep it secret. Maybe they are overpopulated and ships are striking them...The type of people that study this are not the type to throw the whales under the BUS....or SHIP I would say.

Maybe the windmills or maybe not...let them study it but to condemn the outcome if it isn't the MILLS is senseless to me. I cannot make up my mind and then just poo poo any finding that contradicts it. I don't understand that set conspiracists mindset to tell you the truth.
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Right, because the government has never fudged or covered up anything, ever.

Questioning the .gov when there is a multi billion project at stake isn't conspiracy theory. What happened to all the liberal hippies that perpetually questioned and protested the government at every turn? Or now that it's their agenda the ends justify?

Maybe The Who foresaw this when they wrote Won't Get Fooled Again.
 
Avenger said:
Right, because the government has never fudged or covered up anything, ever.

Questioning the .gov when there is a multi billion project at stake isn't conspiracy theory. What happened to all the liberal hippies that perpetually questioned and protested the government at every turn? Or now that it's their agenda the ends justify?

Maybe The Who foresaw this when they wrote Won't Get Fooled Again.
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NO THE GOVERNMENT HAS COVERED UP THINGS and like I said are too stupid to keep it under wraps or we wouldn't be talking about it. Do you now disbelieve everything that comes out from a government or government sponsored study?? The lib hippies have morphed into the RW lunatic.....AMAZING!!

We now have people that will blame the windmills (and maybe rightfully so) without any other report to come out. There are other things that kill whales. I'll leave an open mind....I know BS without stepping in it.
 
movetheboat said:
NO THE GOVERNMENT HAS COVERED UP THINGS and like I said are too stupid to keep it under wraps or we wouldn't be talking about it. Do you now disbelieve everything that comes out from a government or government sponsored study?? The lib hippies have morphed into the RW lunatic.....AMAZING!!

We now have people that will blame the windmills (and maybe rightfully so) without any other report to come out. There are other things that kill whales. I'll leave an open mind....I know BS without stepping in it.
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That's just ridiculous. Either you're intentionally mischaracterizing or you missed the point.

Sure they suck at keeping a secret, but that doesn't mean they can't fudge something, or keep it quiet long enough to get the deal done. BTW, the govt is fraught with these kinds of crooked deals on all levels. Just because a few of them erupt because of incompetence or a whistle blower doesn't mean we know about all of them. And frankly, most of it comes to light way down the road. Long after the money has been stolen and the damage is done. I'll be watching the results of the studies, but I'll be shocked damn near to death if they actually admit that these things are damaging the ecosystem and stop the project. Just like they ignore all the dead birds that the solar and wind projects are causing.

BTW: If we really cared about the environment we wouldn't be polluting the oceans with acres and acres of windmills that are about the least effective way to make electricity. If you want to encourage people to move to electric MAKE THE ELECTRICITY CHEAPER! Windmills certainly aren't the way to do that. Just the opposite.
 
Burning the feces and trash in Iraq. No problem
Working "the pile" after 911. No problem
Using DDT to kill EVERYTHING. No problem
Causing blood clots in some teenagers from a vaccine. No problem
Not safeguarding the Manhattan Project. No problem
 
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