Do they think we're idiots!

[dsedy]

Park City Wind, LLC Marine Site Characterization Surveys for the New England Wind Project, Phase 1, off of Massachusetts to New York​

Status	Public Comment	Issued Date	Effective Dates
Active	Closed	7/19/2022	9/1/2022 - 8/31/2023

Summary: NOAA Fisheries has issued an incidental harassment authorization (IHA) to Park City Wind, LLC to incidentally harass marine mammals during marine site characterization surveys offshore of Massachusetts south through Long Island, New York.

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NextEra Energy Transmission Mid-Atlantic Holdings, LLC Marine Site Characterization Surveys off of New Jersey​

Status	Public Comment	Date Issued	Effective Dates
Active	Closed	6/29/2022	7/1/2022 - 6/30/2023

Summary: NOAA Fisheries has issued an IHA to NextEra Energy Transmission MidAtlantic Holdings, LLC to incidentally harass, by Level B harassment only, marine mammals during site characterization surveys associated off New Jersey and New York.

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Dominion Energy Marine Site Characterization Surveys off of Coastal Virginia​

Status	Public Comment	Date Issued	Effective Dates
Active	Closed	5/27/2022	5/27/2022 - 5/26/2023

Summary: NOAA Fisheries has issued an IHA to Virginia Electric and Power Company doing business as Dominion Energy Virginia to incidentally harass marine mammals during marine site characterization surveys off of Virginia in support of the Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind Commercial Project.

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Ocean Wind II, LLC Marine Site Characterization Surveys off of New Jersey​

Status	Public Comment	Date Issued	Effective Dates
Active	Closed	5/9/2022	5/10/2022 - 5/9/2023

Summary: NOAA Fisheries has issued an IHA to Ocean Wind II, LLC (Ocean Wind II), an affiliate of Orsted Wind Power North America LLC (Orsted), to incidentally harass, by Level B harassment, marine mammals during marine site characterization surveys off New Jersey in and around the area of Commercial Lease of Submerged Lands for Renewable Energy Development on the Outer Continental Shelf Lease Area (OCS)-A 0532.

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Orsted Wind Power North America, LLC Marine Site Characterization Surveys off of Delaware​

Status	Public Comment	Date Issued	Effective Dates
Active	Closed	5/6/2022	5/10/2022 - 5/9/2023

Summary: NOAA Fisheries has issued an incidental harassment authorization (IHA) to the Orsted wind Power North America, LLC for the take of marine mammals incidental to a marine site characterization survey off the coast of Delaware.

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Renewal of Ocean Wind, LLC Marine Site Characterization Surveys off of New Jersey​

Status	Public Comment	Date Issued	Effective Dates
Active	Closed	5/9/2022	5/10/2022 - 5/9/2023

Summary: NOAA Fisheries has issued a Renewal incidental harassment authorization (IHA) to Ocean Wind LLC to incidentally harass marine mammals incidental to marine site characterization survey activities off the coast of New Jersey in the areas of the Bureau of Ocean Energy Management Commercial Lease of Submerged Lands for Renewable Energy Development on the Outer Continental Shelf (OCS)-A 0498 and federal and state waters along potential export cable routes to landfall locations between Raritan Bay (part of the New York Bight) and Delaware Bay.

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Kitty Hawk Wind Marine Site Characterization Surveys off of North Carolina and Virginia​

Status	Public Comment	Date Issued	Effective Dates
Active	Closed	4/20/2022	8/1/2022 - 7/31/2023

Summary: NOAA Fisheries has issued an Incidental Harassment Authorization to Kitty Hawk Wind, LLC, to incidentally harass, by Level B harassment, marine mammals during marine site characterization surveys off North Carolina and Virginia in and around the area of Commercial Lease of Submerged Lands for Renewable Energy Development on the Outer Continental Shelf Lease Area (OCS)-A 0508.

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Atlantic Shores Offshore Wind, LLC Marine Site Characterization Surveys off of New Jersey and New York​

Status	Public Comment	Date Issued	Effective Dates
Active	Closed	4/18/2022	4/20/2022 - 4/19/2023

Summary: NOAA Fisheries has issued an IHA to Atlantic Shores Offshore Wind, LLC to incidentally harass marine mammals during marine site characterization surveys off New Jersey and New York.

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South Fork Wind, LLC Construction of the South Fork Offshore Wind Project off of Rhode Island and Massachusetts​

Status	Public Comment	Date Issued	Effective Dates
Active	Closed	12/21/2021	11/15/2022-11/14/2023

Summary: NOAA Fisheries has issued an incidental harassment authorization (IHA) to South Fork Wind, LLC to take, by Level A harassment and Level B harassment, marine mammals during construction of a commercial wind energy project offshore New York, Rhode Island, and Massachusetts.

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Vineyard Wind 1 LLC Construction of the Vineyard Wind Offshore Wind Project off of Massachusetts​

Status	Public Comment	Date Issued	Effective Dates
Active	Closed	5/21/2021	5/1/2023 - 4/30/2024

Summary: NOAA Fisheries has issued an IHA to Vineyard Wind 1, LLC to take marine mammals incidental to construction of a commercial wind energy project offshore Massachusetts.

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Alaska Gasline Development Corporation Liquefied Natural Gas (LNG) Construction in Prudhoe Bay, Alaska​

Status	Public Comment	Date Issued	Effective Dates
Active	Closed	2/16/2021	7/1/2023 - 6/30/2024

Summary: NOAA Fisheries has issued an incidental harassment authorization (IHA) to the Alaska Gasline Development Corporation to incidentally harass, by Level A and Level B harassment, marine mammals during a particular activity (West Dock facility construction) associated with construction of the Alaska Liquefied Natural Gas Project in Prudhoe Bay, Alaska.

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Alaska Gasline Development Corporation Liquefied Natural Gas Construction in Cook Inlet, Alaska​

Status	Public Comment	Date Issued	Effective Dates
Active	Closed	8/17/2020	1/1/2021 - 12/31/2025

Summary: NOAA Fisheries has issued regulations under the Marine Mammal Protection Act for the taking of marine mammals incidental to the Alaska Liquefied Natural Gas project in Cook Inlet, Alaska, over the course of five years (2021-2025). These regulations allow NOAA Fisheries to issue a Letter of Authorization for the incidental take of marine mammals during the specified construction activities carried out during the rule’s period of effectiveness, set forth the permissible methods of taking, set forth other means of effecting the least practicable adverse impact on marine mammal species or stocks and their habitat, and set forth requirements pertaining to the monitoring and reporting of the incidental take.

Read through the summaries for Incidental Harrasment. It's all right there

 

[movetheboat]

They figured out a way to make oil rigs float. Can a windmill float?

Now we know why "they" wanted to make George's Bank a Marine Protected Area.........more windmills.

Someone figured out how to lease the ocean.

God bless America!

that's conspiracy nonsense and doesn't help

 

[movetheboat]

What George posted on page 4 f this thread is all you need to know. The lease aplicant and NOAA and the feds and the state and local officals KNOW that their activities will cause death to the whales. And they have immunity from that.

Thats the Occams Razor. It's all the proof you need.

yes read that and stop right there as it re-inforces your already made up mind. Nothing else matters. TERRIFIC!!!

We have had strandings for awhile and whale populations are UP...the whale watching business is good because of the population and they are feeding inshore....NEAR BOAT TRAFFIC....So there are other possibilities and I for one will wait and see. All the arm chair scientists can do as they want. It's bad enough the stupid wind mills are causing it without WISHING it so.

There are several factors that may be contributing to increase whale strandings in the mid-Atlantic region, federal officials and local experts said. As the humpback whale population has increased, more of them are swimming into the New York and New Jersey region as they are following menhaden – a small fish the whales eat.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/16/us/alaska-snow-crab-harvest-canceled-climate/index.html
But menhaden swim in an area that intersects with a major shipping lane bringing freight into New York and New Jersey ports, which can increase the whales’ risk of being struck.

“The fish are likely to be in areas where (shipping) channels are,” said Paul Sieswerda, executive director of the New York-based nonprofit Gotham Whale, which studies and advocates for the local whale population. “The whales are coming to area where there’s a lot of boat traffic.”

 

[dsedy]

yes read that and stop right there as it re-inforces your already made up mind. Nothing else matters. TERRIFIC!!!

We have had strandings for awhile and whale populations are UP...the whale watching business is good because of the population and they are feeding inshore....NEAR BOAT TRAFFIC....So there are other possibilities and I for one will wait and see. All the arm chair scientists can do as they want. It's bad enough the stupid wind mills are causing it without WISHING it so.

There are several factors that may be contributing to increase whale strandings in the mid-Atlantic region, federal officials and local experts said. As the humpback whale population has increased, more of them are swimming into the New York and New Jersey region as they are following menhaden – a small fish the whales eat.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/16/us/alaska-snow-crab-harvest-canceled-climate/index.html
But menhaden swim in an area that intersects with a major shipping lane bringing freight into New York and New Jersey ports, which can increase the whales’ risk of being struck.

“The fish are likely to be in areas where (shipping) channels are,” said Paul Sieswerda, executive director of the New York-based nonprofit Gotham Whale, which studies and advocates for the local whale population. “The whales are coming to area where there’s a lot of boat traffic.”

Possibly a contributing factor as far as density is concerned......But, If I am not mistaken, most of the adult menhaden are off the Chesapeake continental shelf this time of year, spawning (winter) even south of Cape Hatteras? Juveniles in the bays down there. Maybe someone smarter than me can opine on their migration.

 

[george]

“The fish are likely to be in areas where (shipping) channels are,” said Paul Sieswerda, executive director of the New York-based nonprofit Gotham Whale, which studies and advocates for the local whale population. “The whales are coming to area where there’s a lot of boat traffic.”

This is the big lie they keep spouting. They wrote off on killing them, so why do they deny it? These creatures have NOT ALL BEEN HIT BY BOAT STRIKES! And we have yet to hear anything definitive on the majority of whales that have washed ashore.

 

[OVERBORED]

that's conspiracy nonsense and doesn't help

Conspiracy theory? Read on

Offshore wind farms and MPAs

 

[Roccus7]

This is the big lie they keep spouting. They wrote off on killing them, so why do they deny it? These creatures have NOT ALL BEEN HIT BY BOAT STRIKES! And we have yet to hear anything definitive on the majority of whales that have washed ashore.

George: They may indeed been killed by ship strikes, BUT sonic disturbances could have caused them to panic, impacting their echo location, so they got disoriented and ran directly into the path of an oncoming ship.

So the Death Certificate would say ship strike, but the causative agent was sonar used in bottom surveys...

Sort of a cetacean twist on HIV. HIV doesn't kill people, it just knocks out their immune system so a something like rare cancer like Kaposi, normally easily handled by the immune system, kills them...

 

[longcast]

This is the big lie they keep spouting. They wrote off on killing them, so why do they deny it? These creatures have NOT ALL BEEN HIT BY BOAT STRIKES! And we have yet to hear anything definitive on the majority of whales that have washed ashore.

Once autopsies are released, maybe there will be some clarity. Hopefully they also do the same for whales visibly hit by boats and determine if they were dead / badly disoriented from some other cause, BEFORE the boat strike.

 

[movetheboat]

So far no one has a definitive answer.....

 

[OVERBORED]

So far no one has a definitive answer.....

What IS definitive is the windmill show will go on because that's what's supposed to happen...... Marine Life be damned!

 

[dsedy]

I wish folks/pols would just come out and say it truthfully...that their green agenda is more important than killing some whales. 'If we lose XXX whales in the process, the ends justify the means'. So be it. Case closed and now we can debate that as a moral hazard or not.
Instead, we have obfuscation, lies, denials, misdirection etc.. etc.. etc... when even the language in the applications are crystal clear that there is an expectation of mortality.

 

[jpd]

I wish folks/pols would just come out and say it truthfully...that their green agenda is more important than killing some whales. 'If we lose XXX whales in the process, the ends justify the means'. So be it. Case closed and now we can debate that as a moral hazard or not.
Instead, we have obfuscation, lies, denials, misdirection etc.. etc.. etc... when even the language in the applications are crystal clear that there is an expectation of mortality.

It's the same thing about strip mining for the battery materials - you need a short memory for this new green religion.

 

[hawk375]

if your a commercial hook and line striped bass fisherman in n.y you have been l


dealing with the green movement for years it used to be recreational fisherman with no clue now at least we know you were used as pawns by big industry i thought it was for oil wells but i guess it was wind farms some of us made money from spreading lies about commercial fishing in years to come they will stop you from fishing near windfarms the way you cant fish near bridges anyone who thinks fishing is better today than when they were kids obviously did not fish when they were kids great job fish biologist

 

[george]

George: They may indeed been killed by ship strikes, BUT sonic disturbances could have caused them to panic, impacting their echo location, so they got disoriented and ran directly into the path of an oncoming ship.

So the Death Certificate would say ship strike, but the causative agent was sonar used in bottom surveys...

Sort of a cetacean twist on HIV. HIV doesn't kill people, it just knocks out their immune system so a something like rare cancer like Kaposi, normally easily handled by the immune system, kills them...

I totally agree. It's also being circulated that there are different necropsies. These are being conducted by Orstead so I'm skeptical on what they will find.

 

[OVERBORED]

I totally agree. It's also being circulated that there are different necropsies. These are being conducted by Orstead so I'm skeptical on what they will find.

They're already in spin mode.

 

[george]

 

[movetheboat]

Some politicians lie about windmills and some lie about oil rigs. I find it odd that even the environment is a political football. Remember the EPA was gutted and our federal lands were opened to mining not too long ago....not a peep...every action has a reaction. The verdict seems to be in on this no matter what the conclusion because if it doesn't point to the mills (and it may well do that) it will be called lies. It isn't about the whales at all with some it seems

 

[george]

Some politicians lie about windmills and some lie about oil rigs. I find it odd that even the environment is a political football. Remember the EPA was gutted and our federal lands were opened to mining not too long ago....not a peep...every action has a reaction. The verdict seems to be in on this no matter what the conclusion because if it doesn't point to the mills (and it may well do that) it will be called lies. It isn't about the whales at all with some it seems

I get what you're trying to say here, but the fact is they all lie about everything. In this case they have approved this with the knowledge that it will and does, kill ocean mammals. They should just come clean and admit it.

 

[movetheboat]

I get what you're trying to say here, but the fact is they all lie about everything. In this case they have approved this with the knowledge that it will and does, kill ocean mammals. They should just come clean and admit it.

Yes George they should....I guess they call it acceptable collateral damage. When you hear that...RUN! The bottom line is MONEY!!! Energy is GREEN alright...all of it! For money even human lives have been acceptable collateral damage.

So are the mills causing harm...of course they are. Maybe the whales will adapt to this intrusion as many species on Earth have, before it's too late. I hope so because it will be hard to stop this ball now that it's rolling.

 

[OVERBORED]

Solve one problem, cause another 2.