Do they think we're idiots!

These are photos of a Block Island Windmill. The same company is building the windfarm in New York. I have been told that this is caused by grease leaking.

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george said:
These are photos of a Block Island Windmill. The same company is building the windfarm in New York. I have been told that this is caused by grease leaking.

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Looks real "environmentally" safe to me. :sick:

But don't worry we can still fish next to the platforms...for now!!!

These SOB's don't even have the guts to look at the obvious evidence of what they are doing to the planet they claim to want to save!
 
george said:
These are photos of a Block Island Windmill. The same company is building the windfarm in New York. I have been told that this is caused by grease leaking.

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Oh the irony.

A byproduct of the gas & oil industry is being used as lubricant on something made to generate green energy. I also bet it was delivered and assembled on vessels that use internal combustion engines.
 
I liken this to my deer hunting and eating them and weakfish. If you are going to kill something at least put the carcass to some use and not dig a hole and bury it !
 
I'm not saying I know the answer, but where is the evidence? I'm eager to read it.
Correlation (pile driving the ocean floor at the same time more whales are dying than normal) does not prove causation.
If it did, you should never go to a hospital if you are sick, since death rates at the hospital are way above death rates elsewhere.
I doubt the high cost of eggs, the record low snowfall, or the war in Ukraine is the cause of the whale deaths either.
Is there any actual evidence of the cause?
Here is another possibility:
Ocean temperatures are increasing and arctic salinity is down. Arctic krill are way down, and coastal bunker are way up. Are there more local whales now, chasing local bunker, not arctic krill, than in recent times? Is more local whales causing the increase in boat strikes?
Whales are pretty smart. Why would seismic testing and pile driving prevent them from knowing a boat is fast approaching?
"all that noise is driving them crazy" fits a nice narrative, but is there any actual evidence to back it up?
 
Matts said:
I'm not saying I know the answer, but where is the evidence? I'm eager to read it.
Correlation (pile driving the ocean floor at the same time more whales are dying than normal) does not prove causation.
If it did, you should never go to a hospital if you are sick, since death rates at the hospital are way above death rates elsewhere.
I doubt the high cost of eggs, the record low snowfall, or the war in Ukraine is the cause of the whale deaths either.
Is there any actual evidence of the cause?
Here is another possibility:
Ocean temperatures are increasing and arctic salinity is down. Arctic krill are way down, and coastal bunker are way up. Are there more local whales now, chasing local bunker, not arctic krill, than in recent times? Is more local whales causing the increase in boat strikes?
Whales are pretty smart. Why would seismic testing and pile driving prevent them from knowing a boat is fast approaching?
"all that noise is driving them crazy" fits a nice narrative, but is there any actual evidence to back it up?
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Thanks for your view on this Matts. Whales have survived the ice age, and the warming and cooling that has happened on earth over the last 50 million years.

You can Google survey sonars effects on whales, and you will find plenty of scientific data suggesting that it does in fact confused them. They hear it as a threat and in some cases they will beach themselves in an effort to get away.

It's hard to prove anything when we're not given any cause of death. Except for those with boat strikes.

When it comes to the ocean there's little that can be proven. We don't see what's happening. That's why almost all of our regulations are 50% accurate. That's when common sense comes in. And in this case common sense tells me that this process is killing whales and dolphins. Period. It's not coincidence. It's cause and effect.
 
Matts said:
I'm not saying I know the answer, but where is the evidence? I'm eager to read it.
Correlation (pile driving the ocean floor at the same time more whales are dying than normal) does not prove causation.
If it did, you should never go to a hospital if you are sick, since death rates at the hospital are way above death rates elsewhere.
I doubt the high cost of eggs, the record low snowfall, or the war in Ukraine is the cause of the whale deaths either.
Is there any actual evidence of the cause?
Here is another possibility:
Ocean temperatures are increasing and arctic salinity is down. Arctic krill are way down, and coastal bunker are way up. Are there more local whales now, chasing local bunker, not arctic krill, than in recent times? Is more local whales causing the increase in boat strikes?
Whales are pretty smart. Why would seismic testing and pile driving prevent them from knowing a boat is fast approaching?
"all that noise is driving them crazy" fits a nice narrative, but is there any actual evidence to back it up?
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just STFU, and put your head back in your ash.
This is Occam's Razor. The simplest explanation is the the most likely. Stop giving correlation doesn't = causation sh!t. In this case Correlation is Causation.
 
the rise in ocean temperature did not occur overnight. Yet since the wind fall, er, farm stuff started, there seems to be a lot more whales ending up on the beach and / or struck by ships than the norm of just a couple of years before the increase of sonar soundings for windfarm placements started. Co inky dink ? Follow the money or follow the dead whales. Same same. I am hoping however that every last piping plover flies into the windmill fans, even if they do taste like chicken.
 
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Matts said:
I'm not saying I know the answer, but where is the evidence? I'm eager to read it.
Correlation (pile driving the ocean floor at the same time more whales are dying than normal) does not prove causation.
If it did, you should never go to a hospital if you are sick, since death rates at the hospital are way above death rates elsewhere.
I doubt the high cost of eggs, the record low snowfall, or the war in Ukraine is the cause of the whale deaths either.
Is there any actual evidence of the cause?
Here is another possibility:
Ocean temperatures are increasing and arctic salinity is down. Arctic krill are way down, and coastal bunker are way up. Are there more local whales now, chasing local bunker, not arctic krill, than in recent times? Is more local whales causing the increase in boat strikes?
Whales are pretty smart. Why would seismic testing and pile driving prevent them from knowing a boat is fast approaching?
"all that noise is driving them crazy" fits a nice narrative, but is there any actual evidence to back it up?
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Thanks for your view on this Matts. Whales have survived the ice age, and the warming and cooling that has happened on earth over the last 50 million years.

You can Google survey sonars effects on whales, and you will find plenty of scientific data suggesting that it does in fact confused them. They hear it as a threat and in some cases they will beach themselves in an effort to get away.

It's hard to prove anything when we're not given any cause of death. Except for those with boat strikes.
 
Matts said:
I'm not saying I know the answer, but where is the evidence? I'm eager to read it.
Correlation (pile driving the ocean floor at the same time more whales are dying than normal) does not prove causation.
If it did, you should never go to a hospital if you are sick, since death rates at the hospital are way above death rates elsewhere.
I doubt the high cost of eggs, the record low snowfall, or the war in Ukraine is the cause of the whale deaths either.
Is there any actual evidence of the cause?
Here is another possibility:
Ocean temperatures are increasing and arctic salinity is down. Arctic krill are way down, and coastal bunker are way up. Are there more local whales now, chasing local bunker, not arctic krill, than in recent times? Is more local whales causing the increase in boat strikes?
Whales are pretty smart. Why would seismic testing and pile driving prevent them from knowing a boat is fast approaching?
"all that noise is driving them crazy" fits a nice narrative, but is there any actual evidence to back it up?
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Where’s the evidence for the other side of the coin?

You’re quick to bring up narrative. So let’s start there. Obviously a certain group wants green energy. Did they put the work in and do the research or just start construction because it “fits the narrative”.

Obviously whales are dying. What has changed recently in these habitats? The windmills are rather new. Maybe there’s a correlation. Could it be something else. Sure. But these windmills could also be the cause.
 
Just heard NJ governor Murphy state that the wind farms have nothing to with the whale deaths and that the project will proceed as scheduled.

With the billions in licensing fees in pocket, (in addition to campaign contributions)states will continue ignoring this issue until the can't!

God bless America!
 
Did this also happen when they piled drived the crap out of the ocean/AND USED EXPLOSIVES building offshore oil rigs? How in the world is even the different types of energy we need politicized? The answer is we will need a mix of both for a long time.

The offshore oil rigs also posed the risk of oil leaks on top of the same or worse construction effects on marine life.

Both things for sure are going to cause some disruption to surrounding sea life especially noise sensitive mammals, but right now anything washing up on shore is front page news and any other possibility is thrown out the window by hard core anti GREEN. Gov. Murphy seems like an honorable man as far as politicians go, seriously how do you identify that wind turbines are killing them? Do we put/drop some whales with trackers out there and continue construction and see what happens to them. Does an autopsy show this? Does Mr. Spock mind meld with them ? IDK
 
They figured out a way to make oil rigs float. Can a windmill float?

Now we know why "they" wanted to make George's Bank a Marine Protected Area.........more windmills.

Someone figured out how to lease the ocean.

God bless America!
 
george said:
Summary: NOAA Fisheries has received a request from Sunrise Wind, LLC, a 50/50 joint venture between Ørsted North America, Inc. and Eversource Investment, LLC, for Incidental Take Regulations and an associated Letter of Authorization. The requested regulations would govern the authorization of take, by Level A harassment and/or Level B harassment, of small numbers of marine mammals over the course of 5 years (2023-2028) incidental to construction of the Sunrise Wind Offshore Wind Farm Project offshore of New York in a designated lease area on the Outer Continental Shelf. Project activities likely to result in incidental take include pile driving, potential unexploded ordnance or munitions and explosives of concern detonation, and vessel-based site assessment surveys using high-resolution geophysical equipment.
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What George posted on page 4 f this thread is all you need to know. The lease aplicant and NOAA and the feds and the state and local officals KNOW that their activities will cause death to the whales. And they have immunity from that.

Thats the Occams Razor. It's all the proof you need.
 
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