Draft Striped Bass Addendum II Out

Roccus7

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ASMFC is having its summer meeting during the 1st week of August. On August 1 they're meeting about Striped Bass and will be discussing Addendum II to Amendment 7, which is a plan formalizing how the stock can be rebuilt by 2029. The entire Striped Bass package can be seen here:
August 2023 Striped Bass

I've extracted the Addendum II particulars and attached it below. My initial read revealed that it's basically all the potential options to formalize things to restore the stock, including the current reduced slot, commercial restrictions, and the possibility of some closed seasons. It's not too long a document, but here's a distillation that was posted on a different website. I'll add my comments later today, but it's time for me to saddle up and go striper fishing...

It's a relatively short document, and doesn't have any truly bad options in it, at least apart from the status quo options that are always included. But the trick will be to keep the best items in the document, and to keep bad stuff out, when the Management Board meets on August 1.

The Addendum addresses three basic topics: The recreational fishery, the commercial fishery, and fast-tracking additional actions once new stock assessments come out.


The recreational options all include both a narrow slot--perhaps the current slot, or perhaps one a bit different--along with a short no-harvest season closure, when catch-and-release fishing will still be allowed. The only bad thing here is one option that would allow 30-33 inch fish to be harvested, which again exposes the 2015s, although that is only one of three potential slots. Season closures tend to focus on the mid- and late season, and are broken down by region in some cases It would be nice to add an option for a spring closure that would prevent targeting pre-spawn fish staging in areas like Raritan Bay, although that might not allow enough of a harvest reduction.

Commercial options focus on putting a maximum size cap on commercially harvested fish. While that is an attractive idea, it raises two other issues. First, because the commercial quota is denoted in pounds, a size cap would allow the commercial fishery to kill more fish than it does today, which might be counterproductive. So there are also options for adjusting the commercial quotas, which would be applied on a state-by=state basis depending on each state's current minimum size, or on an overall basis depending on the original quotas in earlier management plans, which would put all states on an even plane. Capping the commercial size limit could also lead to substantial dead discards in states where non-selective gear is used. Delaware's fixed gill net fishery, which even Delaware officials note is particularly "dirty" is a case in point.

Finally, there are options that will allow the Management Board to act in response to new stock assessments, if action is needed to rebuild by 2029, without going through the usual, year-long public hearing process, so that if an assessment comes out in the fall, responsive regulations can be in place for the start of the next season.
 

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OK, time for a vent. The chart below are the Options for possible changes to the Recreational regulations in this Addendum. Talk about confusion, and if you look at the predicted changes across all the options, and there really isn't any significant differences between any of them, look at the last 3 columns.

Why have multiple options for the same result? This is truly a Cluster of the highest magnitude. Talk about Analysis Paralysis with no benefit??

BTW - Waves are 2 month periods, so Wave 1 is Jan/Feb, Wave 2 is Mar/Apr, etc., and the missing Option A is to go back to the original Amendment 7 28-<35" slot with no retention closures.

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Hey Dom!

Can you please bring some clarity to what this means? I just don't have the bandwidth to get into it right now.
 
This is a list of "Options" that Technical Committee has formulated that will allow the population to be recovered by 2029, in addition which is continuing with the emergency action 28-31" with no seasonal closures (Status Quo). It is what the council will discuss on August 1. From this list the council is supposed to come up with a recommendation of preferred options, and maybe a new one or two, which will go out for public comment.

The Cynical Dom says there is NFW the council will come to any manageable list of options, maybe 2 or 3, so they'll present this entire list to the public, or just default to Status Quo for simplicity. If you compare the 3 last columns, for all intents and purposes, these give the same benefit, so WTH did they see fit for all the permutations and combinations?
 
Thanks for that. One question, when does 28-31 inches become the 2016 year class? Or do they not grow? I just dont think our data is strong enough to micro manage the fishery.

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Thanks for that. One question, when does 28-31 inches become the 2016 year class? Or do they not grow? I just dont think our data is strong enough to micro manage the fishery.

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They’re knocking at the door now, but definitely next year.

Had a very early summer offshore bluefish-like swimming head keepah on Sunday. Bet it was a 2016..

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Upon reevaluating those options, it appears that they are still using a release mortality rate of 9%. This figure should be updated to accurately reflect the current state of the fishery.
 
Upon reevaluating those options, it appears that they are still using a release mortality rate of 9%. This figure should be updated to accurately reflect the current state of the fishery.
All preliminary data from the new release mortality study that's underway still supports the 9% mortality rate across the board. Yes, different areas and different techniques will deviate from that, but all in, the 9% still holds.
 
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All preliminary data from the new release mortality study that's underway still supports the 9% mortality rate across the board. Yes, different areas and different techniques will deviate from that, but all in, the 9% still holds.
I guess that means circle hooks haven't saved any fish? There's the missing "common sense."
 
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I guess that means circle hooks haven't saved any fish? There's the missing "common sense."
If you look solely at circle hooks, there may have been savings, BUT it's a small piece of the total picture. When you add all the other techniques, hook styles, fish size, water temperature, etc., variables that are being tested, there doesn't seem to be any difference in the totality of mortality across the recreational fishery.
 
If you look solely at circle hooks, there may have been savings, BUT it's a small piece of the total picture. When you add all the other techniques, hook styles, fish size, water temperature, etc., variables that are being tested, there doesn't seem to be any difference in the totality of mortality across the recreational fishery.
How can we determine if it's a small piece? Even at 1%, that still amounts to a significant number of fish. From a logical perspective, circle hooks appear to be effective in saving striped bass, but I haven't found any concrete data to support either viewpoint. Since there are no other hook styles for bait, and lures are unlikely to gut-hook fish, it stands to reason that they are contributing to the conservation of striped bass.

It's crucial for anglers to witness the positive impact of their efforts to boost their motivation and commitment to sustainable practices.
 
It's crucial for anglers to witness the positive impact of their efforts to boost their motivation and commitment to sustainable practices.

Agreed. Hopefully when they publish the study, it will have savings like circle hook use highlighted. This is purported to be a more complete study, including items like mortality at different water temps, so besides "positive things" like circle hooks, it will have negative things too. The only way to logically account for release mortality across a single fishery that spans almost the entire east coast is a single mortality number for recreational releases.
 
Well for those of you that have been following the Addendum II process and possibly attended one of the meetings back in December or provided written comments to ASMFC regarding the proposals, the rubber will be meeting the road come Wednesday when the ASMFC Striped Bass Board is meeting to vote on which options of the Addendum they will approve for Season 2024 Implementation.

If you want to read the total summary, it's attached, but the Roccus Reader's Digest version is that the vast majority of comments, >90%, opted for the most conservative measures, which means the Recreational Slot should remain at 28 - <31", with no differences for the For Hire group, and the Commercial Quota should get the maximum proposed reduction.

It will be interesting to see if the Board goes along with the will of the vast majority folks responding, or demonstrate that they indeed are more influenced by folks donating to state politicians' reelection funds

Now the bad news, even with these, the most conservative measures presented, there's only a 51% chance that the fishery will be recovered by 2029, so don't go betting your 401(k) for that happening. Come the fall when the newest stock assessment comes out, things may continue to be tightened.
 

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@Roccus7 Fact is, be it good or bad, they will choose what ever option they deem fit. I have seen countless occasions where they have gone against the majority of those polled.

On a side note, I am testifying before the commission Thursday morning on menhaden. VA really has their act together this time!
Great news!! Looks like folks like you, along with severe legal punishment, have helped Virginia "Get their mind right", Congratulations!! Give it too them with both barrels!!

Then you can take a long nap in the afternoon Striped Bass session. One can only listen to folks making excuses for not doing the right thing prior to falling asleep. With me listening in on ASMFC meetings is a race between falling asleep or tossing something at my computer in disgust!!

I expect the Striped Bass Management Board to do their normal "ignore everyone and go ahead with what's been predetermined", but as the years progress, the documentation of this Modus Operandi is being amassed, making a possible takeover my NMF/NOAA.

If folks think ASMFC is not giving them a fair shot and harshly restrict them, they ain't seen nothing yet...
 
you people need to fish more if you think striped bass are in trouble what about flounder weakfish bluefish and by the way go and get your child acovid vacine amazing how people are so easy manipulated
 
Wonder of wonders, miracle of miracles. B1, the option for EVERYONE in the recreational sector to have the same 28-31" slot passed with only 2 nays. What shocked me is that MD voted for it, and didn't join NY & NJ to separate the sector into Recreational and For Hire...
 
sad to say commercial fisherman have to pay for recreational overharvest fishery management ran by asmfc has to be worst in the us
 
Wonder of wonders, miracle of miracles. B1, the option for EVERYONE in the recreational sector to have the same 28-31" slot passed with only 2 nays. What shocked me is that MD voted for it, and didn't join NY & NJ to separate the sector into Recreational and For Hire...
No word of a spring closure yet? I guess the commission isn't buying onto a separate boats for hire category. Imagine what the equivalentcy would be for that!
 
sad to say commercial fisherman have to pay for recreational overharvest fishery management ran by asmfc has to be worst in the us
I appreciate seeing all sides of the issue if it's factual. This is fake news. The FACT is that this fishery has been rebounding from the commercial fishing that happened back and the 70s-80's. The main contributing factor was the total ban of commercial take that followed in the 90's.

The commercial fisherman are allowed 26-38-inch fish. Why? Not a clue. How many of those tags are filled with 28-31 inch fish? When you have the option to decide what fish you're keeping, and you're being paid by the pound, are you selling the smaller ones or the heavier ones? I'd venture to say that most of those fish are in the 32-38-inch slot.

It ticks me off that we are in a de facto moratorium and commercials are not. Is it fair that recreational anglers are allowed to keep an average fish of an 11-pound striped bass while the average commercial fish size is 22 pounds?

Now let's look at by-bycatch. The ASMFC continues to insist that recs are killing one in ten fish. A number I know is way too high. Let's contrast that with the commercial gill nets fishery that kills 5 out of 10m fish caught in the net. Now let's consider the fish that are targeted in draggers. Studies have shown that practically every fish released during a haul of striped bass on a dragger dies.

I'll tell you what Hawk . . . Let's make it hook and line for both coms and recs and let's all fish the same size and season.

Now that sounds fair to me.
 
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