Mass Shootings.

[movetheboat]

You're comparing apples to oranges. Most of these other countries are homogenous cultures. Things are very different here. In fact, once you start introducing outside cultures and set up a mechanism that discourages assimilation you end up with more violence. Truck massacres in England, Charlie Hebdo shooting etc.

you are right things are different here...this is the most violent hate filled racist country on the planet...from day one!!! And the country and these mass murderers prove it constantly.....so if we know this why give access to ar-15s and such


Trump signs bill reversing Obama rule to ban gun purchases by mentally ill

 

[Dx life Rx fishing]

That's not how the law works. Once the precident is set the opportunists will go after everything.

This is where the problem is. Can you source or show where thos happens on a REGULAR basis. The right seems to think if we enact some legislation that will just lead to all of our rights being taken away. It's getting so old.

 

[movetheboat]

That's not how the law works. Once the precident is set the opportunists will go after everything.

class action lawsuit against the NRA and the gun manufacturers...take the money away....thats what this is all about

 

[JackPrintMD]

	Neil deGrasse Tyson (@neiltyson)
8/4/19, 1:58 PM In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings. On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose… 500 to Medical errors 300 to the Flu 250 to Suicide 200 to Car Accidents 40 to Homicide via Handgun Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.

 

[movetheboat]

	Neil deGrasse Tyson (@neiltyson)
8/4/19, 1:58 PM In the past 48hrs, the USA horrifically lost 34 people to mass shootings. On average, across any 48hrs, we also lose… 500 to Medical errors 300 to the Flu 250 to Suicide 200 to Car Accidents 40 to Homicide via Handgun Often our emotions respond more to spectacle than to data.

WELL ONCE again the comparison is WHACK!!!! But if you want to go there much progress has been made and there are safety checks on the first four....but guns??? nah!!! so why are ar15s even allowed...what are they for anyway?? screw the handguns and rifles and shotguns....the cops responded within two minutes and yet these high capacity guns only need that much time to do massive damage......

 

[JackPrintMD]

WELL ONCE again the comparison is WHACK!!!! But if you want to go there much progress has been made and there are safety checks on the first four....but guns??? nah!!! so why are ar15s even allowed...what are they for anyway?? screw the handguns and rifles and shotguns....the cops responded within two minutes and yet these high capacity guns only need that much time to do massive damage......

I agree with you Gene o

I just saw this scientist posted this on Twitter and thought I would share.

 

[movetheboat]

i love you too jack

 

[cany]

WELL ONCE again the comparison is WHACK!!!! But if you want to go there much progress has been made and there are safety checks on the first four....but guns??? nah!!! so why are ar15s even allowed...what are they for anyway?? screw the handguns and rifles and shotguns....the cops responded within two minutes and yet these high capacity guns only need that much time to do massive damage......

Many gun

those items are not made for the purpose of destruction...guns are like ar-15

Any gun could do that in the hands of the right person Get off The Ar Kick when you have no clue no clue about guns

 

[Dx life Rx fishing]

Come on Cany. You and I both know that there is a lot of truth to what MTB is trying to say. Other than it being a right to own a gun can you give me an example of the "need" to own an AR? If you are going to say home defense there are a bunch of far superior weapons for home defense. I would rather have a hand gun or a shotgun with 00 buck in it. Yes i have shot a full auto weapon and it was a blast to shoot. But other than spending a bunch on ammo to do so I see no real reason to own one and I am a pro gun hunter.

A muzzle loader is far less destructive in a mass shooting scenario than an AR. Yes that is an extreme example but it is an example. So it is not any gun that can be as destructive as an AR.

 

[movetheboat]

Many gun

Any gun could do that in the hands of the right person Get off The Ar Kick when you have no clue no clue about guns

there's not much to know...but I do know that these whack jobs are choosing the ar-15 type weapons because they can do the most damage in the least time....it's what they are made for...they are not hunting weapons...or self defense....and surely not for target practice.....who the hell can't hit a target with 600 rounds a minute coming out? The victims of these weapons need to sue the manufacturers and the NRA and bankrupt them!!!!!!!!!!! Since any type of reasonable restrictions and background checks are ignored SUE THEM!!

YOU SAY ANY GUN IN THE RIGHT HANDS COULD DO THAT??? Who has no clue about guns now?

 

[cany]

Come on Cany. You and I both know that there is a lot of truth to what MTB is trying to say. Other than it being a right to own a gun can you give me an example of the "need" to own an AR? If you are going to say home defense there are a bunch of far superior weapons for home defense. I would rather have a hand gun or a shotgun with 00 buck in it. Yes i have shot a full auto weapon and it was a blast to shoot. But other than spending a bunch on ammo to do so I see no real reason to own one and I am a pro gun hunter.

A muzzle loader is far less destructive in a mass shooting scenario than an AR. Yes that is an extreme example but it is an example. So it is not any gun that can be as destructive as an AR.

Lol yes it is an extreme example but you are right Ive been aroung guns all my life never owned a full auto would I sure like most and you Ive heard they are fun too shoot. I guess I go by the old saying "Guns dont kill people People kill people"

 

[cany]

there's not much to know...but I do know that these whack jobs are choosing the ar-15 type weapons because they can do the most damage in the least time....it's what they are made for...they are not hunting weapons...or self defense....and surely not for target practice.....who the hell can't hit a target with 600 rounds a minute coming out? The victims of these weapons need to sue the manufacturers and the NRA and bankrupt them!!!!!!!!!!! Since any type of reasonable restrictions and background checks are ignored SUE THEM!!

YOU SAY ANY GUN IN THE RIGHT HANDS COULD DO THAT??? Who has no clue about guns now?

My point was it doesent have too be an Ar

 

[movetheboat]

My point was it doesent have too be an Ar

it is all about controlling risk....just like a car doesn't have to go 100 mph to kill you, it can do that at 65 mph but it is proven that lowering the speed limit reduces the chance of accident...not eliminate...but lower......that is my point with guns...not a ban but a strict control over the high capacity weapon...this is really needed in order to preserve the privilege of owning weapons for the vast majority of us who are responsible....because things go in extremes and the push for TOTAL ban on guns will gain traction.....and yes shooting an AR15 is super fun....so lets keep some on a shooting range and have a go at it when the urge hits!!! We can be like RAMBO and go home!!! You buy the ammo ok?

 

[CELLFISH]

if motorboat thinks I’m gonna read his lengthy posting, he’s must be delusional, especially from 4:00 am... cellie....

 

[jpd]

Hmmph...

 

[CELLFISH]

what was the name of that black fella who shot up the LIRR, 25 years ago... wasn’t trumps fault... cellie...

 

[cany]

what was the name of that black fella who shot up the LIRR, 25 years ago... wasn’t trumps fault... cellie...

Colin Ferguson with a 9mm

 

[pequa1]

No surprise due to my moderating a couple of the forums, but I am a long time shooter and fairly recent (only since 2003, deer hunter.) Have fired M16s, M60s and the Ma Deuce on auto. Yup, thy were fun, especially the Ma deuce. Still own one AR and an M1 Carbine. Will readily admit that on the range I prefer shooting them as unlike my levers or bolts I don't have to rearrange these ageing ligaments and bones after working the action after each shot. So far, none of my weapons, pistols included, have jumped out of the house and shot anybody (not counting deer.)
Living here in Newyorkistan, I was rather recently forced to sell off my standard capacity magazines for the above two firearms as well as for one of my pistols, to conform with state laws that will do little to prevent a multiple victim scenario. Reduce the casualty count perhaps, but tell that to the parents of a child killed by a six shot pistol and not a 30 round equipped semi auto rifle. Let us not forget that the 2002 DC sniper and his "protege" fired only single shots out of the trunk of an old car using an AR15 to kill people. I am fairly certain that there are studies regarding the fatality percentage of a 5.56 (.223) bullet strike vs. the hit from a 12 gauge slug or 200 grain .35 Remington bullet from a common lever action deer rifle. Many will not use an AR for deer hunting because of the fear of merely wounding the animal. Most of the deer I have harvested with my shotgun were dead within 10 feet of where they were shot. Yes, its all about shot placement. And do I really miss my 20 and 30 round magazines for my AR and carbine? Not really. I miss the pistol grip more, which actually makes the AR a little unwieldy to handle, which was the point.
Although some psychiatrists are postulating that the majority of the mass murderers were not mentally ill, and that the El Paso and Dayton murderers would not "qualify" as such, where is it considered normal to compile kill and rape lists and to post ethnocentric hatred with murderous intent? The POS in Dayton had been suspended from school for violent leanings and yet no "red flag" was legally available to be submitted to the FBI database to insure he could never legally purchase a firearm. Hell, he shouldn't have been allowed to buy a knife or bow and arrow. What "honest" psychiatrist is going to regularly admit that his patients can not ever be cured of their disorders and must always be drugged? I would have to do research, but most states do not submit mental health records to the FBI for inclusion in NICS checks. The United States Air Force didn't even do it with a former service member who committed multiple murders at that church in Texas.
Then again, many multiple murderers obtained their weapons of destruction by stealing from their parents or others, or through straw purchases. Gun bans will not work as with a country acknowledging over 300 million firearms (and probably twice that) from ten to fifteen MILLION AR15s and a populace of over 300 million, I don't like the idea of being relegated to a compound bow knowing all the criminals and gang members also turned in their firearms. (sarcasm)

 

[CELLFISH]

Yep, Fox News now, America Pycho Assoc., says it not a Mental Illness problem...?... cellie...

 

[Avenger]

you are right things are different here...this is the most violent hate filled racist country on the planet...from day one!!! And the country and these mass murderers prove it constantly.....so if we know this why give access to ar-15s and such


Trump signs bill reversing Obama rule to ban gun purchases by mentally ill

This is just pure leftist America-Hating nonsense. You want to see hate and racism go to Europe. European tribes have been fighting each other since time. Go to Africa and see what the Hutus do to the Tutsis and on and on. Better yet, go to Asia. They are racist AF. It's about impossible to become a Japanese citizen if you're not Japanese. There's a whole hierarchy of racial ranks in Asia and every Asian knows where their people stand in it.

Of all countries the U.S. was probably doing the best job of assimilating people of different races into the culture. That is until the left came along and started exploiting every minority it could get it's hands on.