NY Veterans Food Fish License

Crabman

Angler
FYI, NYS Veterans. The NYS DEC is now allowing Veterans to apply for the limited number of NYS Food Fish License. Apply means, you are allowed to bypass all the requirements to get the license by virtue of being a veteran. This is really good news for Vets as the requirements are almost impossible to meet and it gives you a better chance of getting one. Bad news, applying means you are put into the lottery and at some point applications to fill the licenses that have not been renewed are picked and awarded. So, if you feel lucky, apply at the NYS DEC in Kings Park, NY. Do it soon, the drawing usually happens around now. If you miss the date of the drawing this year, still apply for next year. You won't be sorry having a NYS Food Fish License. And, for those of you who aren't keeen on commercial licenses, look at it this way, if a Vet gets a license, not only does he/she deserve it, they probably will not be full time commercial fishermen. This will dilute the limited number of permits to part time fisherman. It 's a win, win.
 
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FYI, NYS Veterans. The NYS DEC is now allowing Veterans to apply for the limited number of NYS Food Fish License. Apply means, you are allowed to bypass all the requirements to get the license by virtue of being a veteran. This is really good news for Vets as the requirements are almost impossible to meet and it gives you a better chance of getyting one. Bad news, applying means you are put into the lottery and at some point applications to fill the licenses that have not been renewed are picked and awarded. So, if you feel lucky, apply at the NYS DEC in Kings Park, NY. Do it soon, the drawing usually happens around now. If you miss the date of the drawing this year, still apply for next year. You won't be sorry having a NYS Food Fish License. And, for those of you who aren't keeen on commercial licenses, look at it this way, if a Vet gets a license, not only does he/she deserve it, they probably will not be full time commercial fishermen. This will dilute the limited number of permits to part time fisherman. It 's a win, win.
Actually, it would be nice to see some licenses made available for the younger set who should be so bold as to try to make a living from the sea.
 
It already is. They can work on a party boats, charter boats or work for a commercial fisherman. They must claim their earnings and be in the business for three years. Being young, allows them to make a lot less to qualify for the license. That's been the standard for as long as I have been in the business.
 
Yes, there might be a limited number of Food Fish Licenses available each year if a license is not renewed. You can apply for the lottery and possible win one if you meet the financial requirements or you are a Veteran and a license is available. That's the way NYS does it. I think you might be the only guy on this site who would support the opening of the limited number of commercial fishing licenses to more people.
 
Yes, there might be a limited number of Food Fish Licenses available each year if a license is not renewed. You can apply for the lottery and possible win one if you meet the financial requirements or you are a Veteran and a license is available. That's the way NYS does it. I think you might be the only guy on this site who would support the opening of the limited number of commercial fishing licenses to more people.
Commercial fishermen are vital to our food supply. I might disagree with certain methods used but we need to encourage a new generation of fishermen with an eye towards sustainability.
 
FYI, NYS Veterans. The NYS DEC is now allowing Veterans to apply for the limited number of NYS Food Fish License. Apply means, you are allowed to bypass all the requirements to get the license by virtue of being a veteran. This is really good news for Vets as the requirements are almost impossible to meet and it gives you a better chance of getting one. Bad news, applying means you are put into the lottery and at some point applications to fill the licenses that have not been renewed are picked and awarded. So, if you feel lucky, apply at the NYS DEC in Kings Park, NY. Do it soon, the drawing usually happens around now. If you miss the date of the drawing this year, still apply for next year. You won't be sorry having a NYS Food Fish License. And, for those of you who aren't keeen on commercial licenses, look at it this way, if a Vet gets a license, not only does he/she deserve it, they probably will not be full time commercial fishermen. This will dilute the limited number of permits to part time fisherman. It 's a win, win.
I am glad you have made our Veterans aware of this not so obvious benefit. One of the fellows who works with me as my mate is retired USCG and he "won the lottery". He uses his license, just as you have suggested, on a P/T basis for a little extra retirement income.

Excellent way to help both our Vets and the fishery!! Thanks, Crabman.
 
Thank you Capt. Mike. I respect your opinions and I'm happy to hear another Vet got a license. Yes, it's a great license for a retired guy. For Veterans, the bypass of the financial requirements is enormous and allows him to apply for the Food Fish License lottery. Got to be in it to win it. There are other licenses you can apply for too, like a crab license and again it's a lottery. If I remember right, for a non-Vet to apply for a FF license you have to make 50% of your earnings from commercial fishing for three years and back it up with tax returns. I don't believe the earnings need to be concurrent and the financial requirement might have changed but it's very difficult to meet. I love the Veteran program and I truly feel it will actually help in conservation when a Veteran gets one of these licenses. Getting a Food Fish License isn't going to allow you to become a full time commercial fisherman. It's a limited license that allows you to become, for the most part, a pin hooker who is allowed to sell his/her catch. It also opens the season window for certain fish. Many fish like fluke and striped bass are not a species that you can commercially sell with a FF license. That takes a special license which is very difficult/impossible to get. Porgies, seabass, bluefish, triggers, blowfish and of course blackfish are allowed to be caught and sold with the FFL. For blackfish, you have to have to have tags which are available through the DEC. They are strict in the accounting of the blackfish you harvest. You will not be issued a new license if you don't account for all of your tags. To own a dragger or become a striped bass or fluke fisherman in NY waters, it takes other licenses. Most are under a moratorium and almost impossible to get. The FF license does cost you an annual fee of $250 and it includes paperwork. Every month, by the 15th, you have to send in paperwork detailing what you caught the month before. If you did not fish, you have to report that too. I just got a letter from the DEC and it seems the holders of a FF license will have to report their catch daily through an app on your phone, computer or if you are not computer savvy, paperforms. I'm not exactly sure if this is completely correct it's just coming out and I could be wrong. Seems there are meetings that fishermen can go to to be schooled in the new reporting system. My point, the paperwork is busy work that you have to keep up with. From what it sounds like, the new rules might reduce the ability to overfish. I will report back when I know more or if someone else knows, let's hear it. Having a Food Fish License will not make you rich. For most, it pays the trip expenses legally. There is a saying, a commercial fisherman can become moderately wealthy if he starts out filthy rich.
 
Thank you Capt. Mike. I respect your opinions and I'm happy to hear another Vet got a license. Yes, it's a great license for a retired guy. For Veterans, the bypass of the financial requirements is enormous and allows him to apply for the Food Fish License lottery. Got to be in it to win it. There are other licenses you can apply for too, like a crab license and again it's a lottery. If I remember right, for a non-Vet to apply for a FF license you have to make 50% of your earnings from commercial fishing for three years and back it up with tax returns. I don't believe the earnings need to be concurrent and the financial requirement might have changed but it's very difficult to meet. I love the Veteran program and I truly feel it will actually help in conservation when a Veteran gets one of these licenses. Getting a Food Fish License isn't going to allow you to become a full time commercial fisherman. It's a limited license that allows you to become, for the most part, a pin hooker who is allowed to sell his/her catch. It also opens the season window for certain fish. Many fish like fluke and striped bass are not a species that you can commercially sell with a FF license. That takes a special license which is very difficult/impossible to get. Porgies, seabass, bluefish, triggers, blowfish and of course blackfish are allowed to be caught and sold with the FFL. For blackfish, you have to have to have tags which are available through the DEC. They are strict in the accounting of the blackfish you harvest. You will not be issued a new license if you don't account for all of your tags. To own a dragger or become a striped bass or fluke fisherman in NY waters, it takes other licenses. Most are under a moratorium and almost impossible to get. The FF license does cost you an annual fee of $250 and it includes paperwork. Every month, by the 15th, you have to send in paperwork detailing what you caught the month before. If you did not fish, you have to report that too. I just got a letter from the DEC and it seems the holders of a FF license will have to report their catch daily through an app on your phone, computer or if you are not computer savvy, paperforms. I'm not exactly sure if this is completely correct it's just coming out and I could be wrong. Seems there are meetings that fishermen can go to to be schooled in the new reporting system. My point, the paperwork is busy work that you have to keep up with. From what it sounds like, the new rules might reduce the ability to overfish. I will report back when I know more or if someone else knows, let's hear it. Having a Food Fish License will not make you rich. For most, it pays the trip expenses legally. There is a saying, a commercial fisherman can become moderately wealthy if he starts out filthy rich.
I do not recall the year when the FF permit regulations changed to make sure newly issued licenses were only offered to commercial fisherman who made the majority of their living from fishing activities. But I think it was well over 10 years ago. So, you are correct in noting that this carve out for Vets makes it a lot easier for those great folks who served our country to obtain a FF license without such stringent requirements.

Personally, I only hold Charter permits to fish both NY and CT waters, so I do not sell any of my catch. The fish all belong to the paying customers, which I think is only fair. And those 2 Permits cost me a total of $550 annually so the price for participation is about the same. I am fortunate enough to be able to make recreational trips on my off days to take home some nice fresh fish for myself and family.

Ironically, I spoke with my mate, Tom, today and he confirmed that he too has to report catches within 48 hours of each trip. Federal, State, and FF licenses all used to submit paper Vessel Trip Reports for years, but the DEC started to phase in electronic reporting starting about 5 years ago. E-VTR's just became mandatory as of 1/1/25. NY State did provide iPads for all those in the for-hire industry and I did actually take the training class last fall. So. when my season starts again this May, I too will have to hop aboard the electronic platform.

Last, but not least, your closing statement is 100% true. We fish because we love it, not to get rich, which is nearly impossible with all of today's challenges. Fact of the matter is I still wouldn't want to do anything else, even though I am also in my 70's!!
 
I do not recall the year when the FF permit regulations changed to make sure newly issued licenses were only offered to commercial fisherman who made the majority of their living from fishing activities. But I think it was well over 10 years ago. So, you are correct in noting that this carve out for Vets makes it a lot easier for those great folks who served our country to obtain a FF license without such stringent requirements.

Personally, I only hold Charter permits to fish both NY and CT waters, so I do not sell any of my catch. The fish all belong to the paying customers, which I think is only fair. And those 2 Permits cost me a total of $550 annually so the price for participation is about the same. I am fortunate enough to be able to make recreational trips on my off days to take home some nice fresh fish for myself and family.

Ironically, I spoke with my mate, Tom, today and he confirmed that he too has to report catches within 48 hours of each trip. Federal, State, and FF licenses all used to submit paper Vessel Trip Reports for years, but the DEC started to phase in electronic reporting starting about 5 years ago. E-VTR's just became mandatory as of 1/1/25. NY State did provide iPads for all those in the for-hire industry and I did actually take the training class last fall. So. when my season starts again this May, I too will have to hop aboard the electronic platform.

Last, but not least, your closing statement is 100% true. We fish because we love it, not to get rich, which is nearly impossible with all of today's challenges. Fact of the matter is I still wouldn't want to do anything else, even though I am also in my 70's!!
I think it was back in Sept/ October I went to the Dec office in Kings park and they gave you a “free” new ipad, skeptical I asked do I need to return it or is it being tracked or what lol

They said no and it was brand new as they opened the box in front of me. And I downloaded the app for the electronic VTR. Once you do it a few times it’s very easy.

They said they had extra grant money so that’s what they bought to try to get guys to report electronically.
 
I think it was back in Sept/ October I went to the Dec office in Kings park and they gave you a “free” new ipad, skeptical I asked do I need to return it or is it being tracked or what lol

They said no and it was brand new as they opened the box in front of me. And I downloaded the app for the electronic VTR. Once you do it a few times it’s very easy.

They said they had extra grant money so that’s what they bought to try to get guys to report electronically.
You are correct, Rocco. The E-VTR app is pretty easy to use and with the ability to save certain data that is common to many trips we run in similar areas with similar gear, it is actually faster than handwriting the same stuff for each report.

Although entering Lat/Lon data for where you fish is not mandatory yet, I know that is already a big controversial issue among many fishermen.
 
Went to the DEC and got the iPad for VTR reports. Tara and Mike were Cornell reps that explained the new reporting. Both were nice to work with. I was the only person there. Interestingly, they asked what other types of fishing I did. I mentioned I used to longline out of Grenada. Cornell is trying to get the Grenada fishermen involved with some of their programs but they didn't have a contact. I have a really good friend that used to ship my fish out of Grenada. He started out as a longliner and then got into shipping fish. He's moved on to owning one of the biggest if not biggest boat yards in Grenada but keeps his hand in the fishery business and he's a really nice guy. I put the two together and it will be interesting how Cornell helps their fishing industry.
 
Went to the DEC and got the iPad for VTR reports. Tara and Mike were Cornell reps that explained the new reporting. Both were nice to work with. I was the only person there. Interestingly, they asked what other types of fishing I did. I mentioned I used to longline out of Grenada. Cornell is trying to get the Grenada fishermen involved with some of their programs but they didn't have a contact. I have a really good friend that used to ship my fish out of Grenada. He started out as a longliner and then got into shipping fish. He's moved on to owning one of the biggest if not biggest boat yards in Grenada but keeps his hand in the fishery business and he's a really nice guy. I put the two together and it will be interesting how Cornell helps their fishing industry.
I received the same iPad and personal tutorial from Mike and Tara last fall.

In addition, Mike and I had a conversation that led him to mating for me on a few Tog trips last fall. Funny how it all connects!!!
 
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