Should They Board, or Shouldn't they?

[george]

A longtime Jbay fisherman and know poacher just got in busted. 35 bluefish over the limit. 10 in the cooler. The rest hidden around the boat. Do we applaud DEC for the bust or complain that they shouldn't have searched the is boat?

You bring up a good point. But I would still be opposed had they no reason to board them.

 

[Chinacat]

Hoping this can get back on track. Boardings on the water.......................

Not sure why it went elsewhere. Well, maybe.

No, please do not disturb "me" time. It is short and precious. That is my only time to unwind and enjoy the sport I love.

I have to disagree with you Kevin
Why should there be 2 sets of rules for law enforcement?
Boaters who can afford boats don’t have to follow rules or be held accountable but peeps on land can have their homes, businesses, and places of worship entered and thats OK?

Seems kinda hypocritical to me
If we are expected to be a society of law abiding citizens the same rules should apply to enforcing rules across the board

And I am in no way suggesting I am a proponent of over enforcement and harassment on the water. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of being opposed to law enforcement when it affects our sport

 

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"Boaters who can afford boats don’t have to follow rules or be held accountable"

Who said that? I always follow the rules on the water. Pretty frightening not to for my safety and the safety of others. If I am ripping through a no wake zone have at it, pull me over. If I am running without lights at nigh have at it, pull me over. If I am driving erratically again, pull me over.

I have never had anyone enter my home, my business, or place of worship for any reason. Where are you going with this?

"And I am in no way suggesting I am a proponent of over enforcement and harassment on the water."

Sure you are. I have NEVER been pulled over for any reason on the road unless it had to do with my utter stupidity. And yeah, earlier times in life it was justified.

" I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of being opposed to law enforcement when it affects our sport"

Keep your hypocrisy to yourself. I need to know what law I broke floating along fluke fishing and "law enforcement" being needed.

 

[Matts]

I guess where I'm going with this is can a bunch of middle aged and above white guys be upset about getting their rights infringed on to check their catch but not be outspoken or concerned about young people of color being harassed or by what ICE and the national guard are currently doing across the country?

Exactly.

 

[Avenger]

Im 60 years old my friend
The days of getting my balls busted were 30-40 years ago so I've evolved LOL

I guess where Im going with this is can a bunch of middle aged and above white guys be upset about getting their rights infringed on to check their catch but not be outspoken or concerned about young people of color being harassed or by what ICE and the national guard are currently doing across the country?

You, sir, are a study in self-contradiction.

Regardless of age, when you got hassled by the PD, you didn't seem to appreciate it. You identified with others who get hassled, but you're okay with people getting hassled today.

Maybe you can relate if I try to put it in "Leftspeak.":

If it's okay for law enforcement to violate the civil rights of the "Privileged" class, how do you think they're going to use that power against the "Victim" class?

 

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You bring up a good point. But I would still be opposed had they no reason to board them.

I'm on the fence now and watching your video was disturbing. Even with boardings, these poachers are making alot of money. Many fish every day under the radar. If you force DEC to get warrants, you'll never catch someone in the act. There needs to be something in place where a perp is observed and filmed keeping small and overlimit. With probable cause, they should be allowed to search a vessel. Anything else seems egregious.

That said, I'm comfortable having my boat or car searched but not my house.

 

[Avenger]

Apples and oranges.

The thread was about boardings on the water which, as I stated is protected by law. Following someone to a parking lot is harassment plain and simple.

Failure to grasp the concept.

You boat or your car, the same rules need to apply, or our civil rights become subjective.

As I'm sure leftists will tell you, the Supreme Court can be wrong. In this case, the leftists on the Supreme Court were wrong. DWI checkpoints, random boarding, eminent domain for commercial purposes are all an unconstitutional violation of individual rights.

Still waiting for the overfunded test case you mentioned to make it's way to prove me right.

 

[longcast]

I'm on the fence now and watching your video was disturbing. Even with boardings, these poachers are making alot of money. Many fish every day under the radar. If you force DEC to get warrants, you'll never catch someone in the act. There needs to be something in place where a perp is observed and filmed keeping small and overlimit. With probable cause, they should be allowed to search a vessel. Anything else seems egregious.

That said, I'm comfortable having my boat or car searched but not my house.

"That said, I'm comfortable having my boat or car searched but not my house."

YIKES!!!

I am not.

 

[Avenger]

I have to disagree with you Kevin
Why should there be 2 sets of rules for law enforcement?
Boaters who can afford boats don’t have to follow rules or be held accountable but peeps on land can have their homes, businesses, and places of worship entered and thats OK?

Seems kinda hypocritical to me
If we are expected to be a society of law abiding citizens the same rules should apply to enforcing rules across the board

And I am in no way suggesting I am a proponent of over enforcement and harassment on the water. I’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of being opposed to law enforcement when it affects our sport

You're doing it again.

Pointing out the selectivity of the law but now you're a proponent of universal civil rights. Different than your last statement.

Americans need to be safe from unreasonable search and seizure whether they're in their homes, their cars, or carrying a cooler and a fishing rod on the beach. ....Or whether they're Caucasian, or asian, some shade of brown or whatever.

It's an issue with much bigger scope than fishing or the Coast Guard.

And, BTW, the threshold of Probable Cause is incredibly low. Government has all the advantages. Thank Gawd the founders knew that and put a leash on state power. Too bad it gets undermined by people who think they're doing something good.

 

[Avenger]

That said, I'm comfortable having my boat or car searched but not my house.

YIKES!!!

I am not.

Same problem. Looking at the crime and using that to justify incredible intrusions.

They are separate things.

I'm not "comfortable" having any of my property searched with some justification. Why would you accept that in your boat or car, but be appalled that they'd walk into your home?

 

[Chinacat]

You're doing it again.

Pointing out the selectivity of the law but now you're a proponent of universal civil rights. Different than your last statement.

Americans need to be safe from unreasonable search and seizure whether they're in their homes, their cars, or carrying a cooler and a fishing rod on the beach. ....Or whether they're Caucasian, or asian, some shade of brown or whatever.

It's an issue with much bigger scope than fishing or the Coast Guard.

And, BTW, the threshold of Probable Cause is incredibly low. Government has all the advantages. Thank Gawd the founders knew that and put a leash on state power. Too bad it gets undermined by people who think they're doing something good.

Twist it all you want
Have fun
Enjoy
I made my point and after years I accept you will NEVER agree with me or anything I say or post and rearrange anything and everything I say to imply Im saying something Im not

 

[Avenger]

Twist it all you want
Have fun
Enjoy
I made my point and after years I accept you will NEVER agree with me or anything I say or post and rearrange anything and everything I say to imply Im saying something Im not

This is why we can never have a reasonable conversation.

I agree with so much of what you posted, and I've said so. But when I point out the contradictions or my disagreements with some of your points, you call it twisting. I guess you will NEVER agree with anything I say either, and I don't ask you to agree with "everything." You can have your viewpoints. I just ask if you're going to post them that you support them.

I'm sorry we can't talk about these things.

Maybe some day we'll cross paths and I can buy you a beer and we can at least agree to disagree.

 

[Chinacat]

This is why we can never have a reasonable conversation.

I agree with so much of what you posted, and I've said so. But when I point out the contradictions or my disagreements with some of your points, you call it twisting. I guess you will NEVER agree with anything I say either, and I don't ask you to agree with "everything." You can have your viewpoints. I just ask if you're going to post them that you support them.

I'm sorry we can't talk about these things.

Maybe some day we'll cross paths and I can buy you a beer and we can at least agree to disagree.

Always down for a beer and chat
That would be great

 

[Avenger]

Always down for a beer and chat
That would be great

Just because we don't agree about politics doesn't mean we can't be agreeable.

Your kid plays at the Talkhouse, my kid is a musician, but he's underage. Still, we're going connect somewhere.

You've been warned!

 

[Chinacat]

Just because we don't agree about politics doesn't mean we can't be agreeable.

Your kid plays at the Talkhouse, my kid is a musician, but he's underage. Still, we're going connect somewhere.

You've been warned!

100%
Even LC finds me quite pleasant in person and outside of the discussion boards

 

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100%
Even LC finds me quite pleasant in person and outside of the discussion boards

Ehh

 

[george]

@Avenger and @Chinacat Seems you guys have a lot more in common than you realize.

 

[OVERBORED]

Failure to grasp the concept.

You boat or your car, the same rules need to apply, or our civil rights become subjective.

As I'm sure leftists will tell you, the Supreme Court can be wrong. In this case, the leftists on the Supreme Court were wrong. DWI checkpoints, random boarding, eminent domain for commercial purposes are all an unconstitutional violation of individual rights.

Still waiting for the overfunded test case you mentioned to make it's way to prove me right.

Here we go. Another narcissist who thinks the world owes him an explanation if they disagree with him.

Turned a simple thread into yet another political pissing match. Same old, same old.

 

[longcast]

Here we go. Another narcissist who thinks the world owes him an explanation if they disagree with him.

Turned a simple thread into yet another political pissing match. Same old, same old.

"Turned a simple thread into yet another political pissing match. Same old, same old."


I think you may want to go back a page and see where it went awry. It did start pretty simple.

 

[OVERBORED]

I admit, the videos were disturbing. I assumed the question "to board or not" was referring to on the water.