Some Facts On How Fluke Have Been Managed

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That still doesn't solve the inequities between states. If we continue to base this fishery, or any fishery on history, then we will always get less. We all deserve the same amount of fish no matter how many our parents our caught.

Unless you can present an alternative model, they will continue with the status quo.

 

[george]

Unless you can present an alternative model, they will continue with the status quo.

If that were the case we'd never change everything. This entire policy is injected with politics and that is where we can effect change. I've been there before with both striped bass and menhaden, and it was political will that got it done.

 

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I've been to many meetings dating back to the 90s. I've seen recs speak and embarrass themselves time after time while the for hire and commercial sectors present a more unified and coherent argument backed by data gathered over many trips under different conditions.

From a political standpoint, with all the issues in society do you honestly think the number of fluke a guy in his 100K boat can keep is a priority?

 

[george]

I've been to many meetings dating back to the 90s. I've seen recs speak and embarrass themselves time after time while the for hire and commercial sectors present a more unified and coherent argument backed by data gathered over many trips under different conditions.

From a political standpoint, with all the issues in society do you honestly think the number of fluke a guy in his 100K boat can keep is a priority?

Actually the 90s were our best years. We passed the bunker bill - the first state on the coast to push out Omega, the blackfish bill - which to this day keeps the com trip limit at 25 and the striped bass bill, that has kept NY coms at 10%. And I was at the table for everyone of those bills.

Little if anything gets done at the meetings. All the data you mention means zippo. Its all done in Albany. And once it's legislation, it is never overturned.

Fact is we have never seen a better time to get it done. We have friends in the right places and a Gov race coming up. Now if only someone would carry the torch.

 

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Your initial post in this thread was all data. Subsequent posts contain data. Your argument compares data with NJ and now data means zippo? You tell people to get involved then you say meetings mean nothing. RLMAO........

 

[george]

Your initial post in this thread was all data. Subsequent posts contain data. Your argument compares data with NJ and now data means zippo? RLMAO......

No comment on the 90s when we actually got things done. You were there, right? We pushed through the last real piece of legislation since.

Now you claim the recs embarrassed themselves while the party and charter boats were well prepared. Are you suggesting they were the ones driving the outcome? That is nonsense. There were few if any party or charter boats at those meetings. I know, because I was at every single one of them.

You also avoid admitting how wrong you were about us having the same options as New Jersey, something you clearly picked up secondhand. And now you are rewriting the history of the 90s as well.

You type a good game, but I question what, if anything, you have ever done to bring real change. I have been doing it my entire career.

 

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No comment on the 90s when we actually got things done. You were there, right? We pushed through the last real piece of legislation since.

Now you claim the recs embarrassed themselves while the party and charter boats were well prepared. Are you suggesting they were the ones driving the outcome? That is nonsense. There were few if any party or charter boats at those meetings. I know, because I was at every single one of them.

You also avoid admitting how wrong you were about us having the same options as New Jersey, something you clearly picked up secondhand. And now you are rewriting the history of the 90s as well.

You type a good game, but I question what, if anything, you have ever done to bring real change. I have been doing it my entire career.

Ditto George. Ditto!