They have to stock winter flounder to bring them back

[flounderbound]

Benny,you talking about Milti on the North Star. That old crab used to argue with everyone on board. I was aboard one day with a small crowd. He put out a clothes line with a dozen hooks attached on both ends with rods,and caught fish.

 

[BennyV]

Benny,you talking about Milti on the North Star. That old crab used to argue with everyone on board. I was aboard one day with a small crowd. He put out a clothes line with a dozen hooks attached on both ends with rods,and caught fish.

Lolol. I remember Milti. That was a real old salt. This was on the Riptide. Victor used to do it.

 

[hartattack]

We've been getting them as by-catch when clamming for Ling in the mudhole last few years.

 

[BennyV]

We've been getting them as by-catch when clamming for Ling in the mudhole last few years.

Those are bigguns

 

[pequa1]

Back in the 70s and early 80s we used to catch them bigger than the keeper fluke which at the time was just 14"

 

[MOJOE]

you can still catch some in the back of jamica bay,, and there big and fat,,,,,,,,,

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[Double Trouble]

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Them were the days Joe!

 

[pequa1]

Not wishing to cast aspersions, but do people eat the fish in Jamaica Bay that live there year round like flounder ? I can see stripers, blues, weaks as long as I was convinced they were not "resident."

 

[MOJOE]

Not wishing to cast aspersions, but do people eat the fish in Jamaica Bay that live there year round like flounder ? I can see stripers, blues, weaks as long as I was convinced they were not "resident."

pequa maureen and i are still kicking,, enough said ? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ><)))):>
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[Double Trouble]

Not wishing to cast aspersions, but do people eat the fish in Jamaica Bay that live there year round like flounder ? I can see stripers, blues, weaks as long as I was convinced they were not "resident."

Water in Jamaica bay is as clean as any other south shore bay.I have been eating fish from there since I was a kid and I am now 70 and still here and I dont glow in the dark!

 

[chunkster]

Winter flounder do migrate out of the bay. Some are heldover.
I caught a out of season winter blackback flounder by the
bridge this one time in September when I was slinging tins for snappers.
I was able to see it shoot from the bottom and smack my tin.
I landed it and released it. If that's not dumb luck than I don't
know what is and yes I know the difference between a winter
flounder and a fluke.

 

[pequa1]

must have been one hungry flounder !

 

[longcast]

My father would take my brother and I to the various shore spots in the Quogue Canal. Always came home with a meal and sometimes more. Once I was able to drive I found other spots that were off the beaten trail in the same area and always amazed him with how many I could find! He was more of a park and fish. I would carry two rods and a chum bucket. 30 minutes or so in a spot and move on. Bulkheads, docks, pilings etc.

 

[BennyV]

My father would take my brother and I to the various shore spots in the Quogue Canal. Always came home with a meal and sometimes more. Once I was able to drive I found other spots that were off the beaten trail in the same area and always amazed him with how many I could find! He was more of a park and fish. I would carry two rods and a chum bucket. 30 minutes or so in a spot and move on. Bulkheads, docks, pilings etc.

I used to go fishing with my grandparents in the mostly empty marinas around the Country Club section of the Bronx. No boats were in yet because it was so early in the season. I would pull up old dock lines with rope mussels on them and crush them up and throw them in about a dozen slips. Would go back the next day day and bounce a tandem rig with sandworms on one hook and mussels on the other. Would always come home with a few.

 

[george]

I miss those days also, but sadly no matter what we do they will never return to our inshore waters. I agree there should be no targeting them in bays ie ; fyke nets, but it's just too late. These fish are thriving offshore, yet not inshore. There are many many studies showing the increase in water temps changing it all. As the flounder and fluke head out of the sound it starts to fill with more southern fish like sea bass.

As for the south shore bays, they just aren't entering or they're not staying long. Sadly we could never stock enough to bring them back. Besides they just won't come back inside. It was attempted years ago, but it was stopped.

You can disagree with climate change and it's causes, but you cannot deny the actual water temps are rising much faster than in the rest of the world and it's effects are evident. Hell, there's now a targeted tarpon fishery in the Chesapeake Bay. Things are changing and as they do, science has to catch up.

 

[chunkster]

The old Crossbay bridge had wood pilings running alongside the bridge.
Every 20 yards or so. You were able to put your body under the bridge
and with a shovel smash the muscles that were on the pilings. Creating
our own chum slick. Tide heading in right direction and pitching your baits
accordingly. Can't get more genius than that.

 

[BennyV]

The old Crossbay bridge had wood pilings running alongside the bridge.
Every 20 yards or so. You were able to put your body under the bridge
and with a shovel smash the muscles that were on the pilings. Creating
our own chum slick. Tide heading in right direction and pitching your baits
accordingly. Can't get more genius than that.

Old school ingenuity.

 

[Roccus7]

I'm with @george in that stocking will not bring them back. The magnitude of stocking necessary is massive, probably beyond the ability of all the combined hatcheries on the coast.

Besides the impossibility of it, I'm dead set against stocking fish in salt water; I don't want to start the stock and catch model that many fresh water fisherman depend on. I personally find it offensive, and an important distinction for us salt water anglers, we know what we catch didn't start life in vitro. Additionally the introduction of stocked fish may be adding fish of a weaker genetic strain which can dilute the native fishes' genetics, and end up actually ending the possibility that native fish no longer exist.

Let the sweet water boys check the stocking tables and grab those hatchery rainbows, browns, brookies, etc. for 3 days post-stocking. Lord knows I miss my flounder, but I'd rather have fond memories than see a salt water fishery dependent on hatchery output. Let's put our efforts into figuring how we can improve conditions in Nature's hatcheries...

 

[MOJOE]

? its no lie,,,,,,,, if we only knew back then,, we feed everybody ,,, a mojoe haul,, thats how it was back then,, i had a boat in great kills,, these flounder came out of raritan bay staten island,,,,,,,,,,,most of the time with no chum,,,, some times we did chum,,, we picked a spot and dragged the anchor around in a circle to mess the bottom up and then we anchor up and banged them out,, alot of doubles too,,,,,,,,,, ><)))):>
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[chunkster]

I fish 2 rods with a couple of hooks on each rod.

I took my best man fishing. We did the same thing.

I took the Thai guy from work and did the same thing again.

I had to many. I would give them away to the people that just
happened to be there.

I'm telling you it's me, I'm the problem.