This is an interesting set up as Maine fights ASMFC on Lobster Regs...

Regardless, the take home message is that in certain situations, and yes they are far too few, a determined, and united group of stakeholders may influence their state's Marine Resources to get to stray from the gospel of the Federal regulatory bodies.

Personally, I have a lot of respect for Pat Kelleher. A couple of years ago he had the stones to tell the ASMFC Striped Bass Board that the public had lost faith in them and they better do something because doing nothing is no longer an option. His prodding was noticed and I think instrumental in getting Striped Bass Amendment 7 approved.

Now back to lobsters, Kelleher did tell the lobsterman that defying ASMFC does not come without risk. The cynical side of my believes that warning went over the heads of the majority in attendance, and if everything blows up, they'll act like, "Well we never knew that could happen."

We'll see what happens...
 
Most guys probably aren't interested in long reads. Writing about someone saying FU and seeing it happen has very different impacts on perception which was my intention. Yes, I use YouTube alot to make points because I don't really have the patience or am anal enough to type everything out.
 
maine should have nothing to say about striped bass just like NC Maryland and Virginia should have nothing to say about lobsters by the way roccus my friends in nova scotia never saw so many large Striped Bass maybe you need to leave your river to see how many Striped bass there are
 
my friends in nova scotia never saw so many large Striped Bass
Yes, actually planning a trip up there in the fall, but will have to hide the rod as it's more of a touring event with another couple.

So far, the Canadian fish have supposedly maintained their independence and stayed north. I believe that for the fish that spawn in rivers that either drain into the Gulf of St. Lawrence or the Atlantic. However, there are fish that spawn in rivers of the Bay of Funday, and I hope they begin to travel more south along the Gulf of Maine. My gut tells me that the occasional bass caught along the Northernmost stretch of the Maine Coast from Eastport down to Mt. Desert Island, have got to say "EH" and aren't afraid of Old Bay
 
Most guys probably aren't interested in long reads. Writing about someone saying FU and seeing it happen has very different impacts on perception which was my intention. Yes, I use YouTube alot to make points because I don't really have the patience or am anal enough to type everything out.
Crap, I didn't type that, it was a cut and paste from the Portland paper. I'll have to be careful to cite it in the future.

Call me old fashioned, as I'd rather read something after I see the initial news videos. The videos usually leave me with more questions which the printed materials don't answer...
 
The "Clot Thickens", NH joins Maine!!

NH Gov. Kelly Ayotte joins Maine in rejecting new lobster regulations to protect industry

SEABROOK — New Hampshire has joined Maine in rejecting new regulations that would increase the minimum length of catchable lobster this summer.

Republican Gov. Kelly Ayotte sent a letter to the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission (ASMFC) that oversees lobster caught by New Hampshire and Maine fishermen, stating New Hampshire would not comply with the guidelines set to go into effect July 1.

The new regulation requires an increase in the size of the gauge used by fishermen to measure lobster length, determining whether they can be caught or must be released. Lobstermen measure the size of a lobster by gauging its carapace (shell) from the eye socket to the tail.

Ayotte echoed a concern expressed by lawmakers in Seabrook, where lobstering is a local industry, that the rule could decrease lobstermen’s hauls by 30%. Her letter to the ASMFC follows similar action by Maine Department of Marine Resources Patrick Keliher, who said earlier this month Maine would not follow the regulations.

Ayotte called New Hampshire’s commercial fishing industry a “proud part of our heritage,” and said she has heard “loud and clear” from lobstermen and their supporters that the new regulations would damage the industry and the state.

“To ensure the survival of an iconic and historic industry in our state and our region, and to ensure our nation remains competitive in global trade, I ask you today to rescind these new guidelines,” Ayotte wrote. “In the meantime, New Hampshire will comply with the previous minimum size for lobster in an effort to preserve this proud industry.”

Since 2017, regulators have faced pressure to increase lobster gauge sizes following trawl surveys that indicated a decline in the population of small, sub-legal lobsters, according to Seafood Source.

The new regulation aims to address a 35% decrease in juvenile lobsters settling on the ocean floor, which is crucial for their maturation. ASMFC voting members, representing each Atlantic coast state, believe the change is necessary to help the lobster population recover. Cheri Patterson, chief of Marine Fisheries at New Hampshire Fish and Game, said earlier this month the rule was “backed by science.”

Lobstermen, however, have expressed concern that the regulations have no impact on Canadian fishermen who also catch lobster. Jim Titone, a Seabrook lobsterman since 1965, said the new change would also mean the end of fishing for the "chicken lobster" class, which refers to those that weigh 1 to 1.25 pounds.

Maine was set to adopt the gauge change for its lobstermen until a Jan. 9 hearing in Augusta drew significant backlash from members of the lobster industry. The following day, Keliher stated that they would not adopt the policy.

Lawmakers in New Hampshire who support the lobstermen then turned to Ayotte, as well as the incoming Trump administration, according to state Rep. Aboul Khan, who represents Seabrook, where many lobstermen dock their boats. He said he was glad Tuesday when Ayotte announced New Hampshire would not adopt the regulation.

“It would be good for the New Hampshire economy,” Khan said. “Thanks to Kelly Ayotte for understanding the men and women who work in this industry.”
 
hopefully trump will get rid of ASMFC an unconstitutional organization that has violated the Magnuson-Stevens act for almost 50 years
 
so are maine lobstermen wrong?
Not necessarily, but they do lack the intellectual capacity to understand science-based, data driven policy. The fishermen totally support the data when it meets their end goals, but then piss and moan when it doesn't. Hypocritical at best. It's funny how fishermen accept the expert knowledge of doctors of medicine, dentistry, optometry, etc., without challenging them. But when it comes to PhDs in Marine Biology or Fisheries Management, all of a sudden the fishermen think they know more than a research doctor??? Because they are out on the water and the PhDs are not?? Seriously?
 
hopefully trump will get rid of ASMFC an unconstitutional organization that has violated the Magnuson-Stevens act for almost 50 years
What a stupid comment considering that the M-S Acts stated objectives are:
  • Preventing overfishing
  • Rebuilding overfished stocks
  • Increasing long-term economic and social benefits
  • Ensuring a safe and sustainable supply of seafood
  • Protecting habitat that fish need to spawn, breed, feed, and grow to maturity

  • THESE OBJECTIVES ARE EXACTLY WHAT THE THE ASMFC IS TRYING TO ACHIEVE. SO HOW ARE THEY VIOLATING?
Trump will only perpetuate and speed up the very reasons why fishery numbers are declining. It is global warming that is forcing fish and lobsters into deeper, colder, offshore waters and changing their migrating patterns. You did read about the King crabs in the Bering Sea didn't you? Billions of pounds of crabs died due to a tiny increase in water temp? It wasn't fisheries management that caused that Bubba. As a fan of "drill, baby, drill" Trump will only make things worse for you. But go ahead, blame it on the ASMFC.
 
sorry buddy commercial fisherman had 50% of fishery now 10% thats one of many the only thing that make it worse are people who do not understand the M-S act like you
 
Not necessarily, but they do lack the intellectual capacity to understand science-based, data driven policy. The fishermen totally support the data when it meets their end goals, but then piss and moan when it doesn't. Hypocritical at best. It's funny how fishermen accept the expert knowledge of doctors of medicine, dentistry, optometry, etc., without challenging them. But when it comes to PhDs in Marine Biology or Fisheries Management, all of a sudden the fishermen think they know more than a research doctor??? Because they are out on the water and the PhDs are not?? Seriously?
What a patronizing load of crap!

What scientists dont seem to understand which is what fishermen in their "lack of intellectual capacity" know is that the data sometimes doesnt match whats coming up in the nets or traps. (See Sea Bass, Scup)

Data-Driven policy which is based on data collected by minimum wage civilians or disinterested grad students. Data-Driven policy collected by scientists running boats with the wrong gear fishing the wrong depths at the wrong time of year!

I hear the words of a big shot scientist at the dock a few Februarys ago:

Scientist: "Wow, where did all those Scup come from?"
Captain: "90 fathom"
Scientist: "But the fish are supposed to be in 60 fathom this time of year"
Captain: "Fish have tails, they move"

So many species, so many failures should be their motto.

This post is the exact reason why fisheries are a mess. Arrogance on the side of Biologists who hold tight to their computer models and lack the ability to think outside the box and work WITH fishermen not against them!
 
Holy Crap, the ME/NH Revolution worked, in the short term...

Lobster regulators repeal minimum size increase after years of backlash in Maine

The vote relieves the pressure of an impending deadline to comply with the law by this summer. Now, the lobster industry must find a different solution to protect declining populations.

Spurred by years of ire from Maine’s lobstermen, a board that regulates the lobster industry voted Tuesday to repeal a rule for 11 states aimed at conserving dwindling lobster populations in the Gulf of Maine and beyond.

It would have effectively increased the minimum size of lobsters that fishermen could legally catch and sell as scientists and regulators identify a growing need to preserve spawning stock.

But lobstermen, concerned that the rule would have seriously harmed Maine’s most valuable fishery, have been putting intensifying pressure on rule makers to reverse course. And fearing a lack of buy in, Maine Department of Marine Resources Commissioner Pat Keliher proposed repealing the rule to allow more time for the industry to come up with alternative solutions. It would have gone into effect on July 1.

“Rolling back resiliency measures is not at all what I wanted to have happened. After multiple zone council meetings, we have been unable to convince the industry that now is an appropriate time to act, ” Keliher told the board. “It’s become clear that the Maine lobster industry is focused on short term.”

Members of the Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission’s American Lobster Board, comprising delegations from other East Coast states, begrudgingly accepted the need for the repeal. But a sense of resentment remains.

Board members are now demanding that industry members get involved to find a solution.

“You broke it. You own it. What have you got?” said board member Daniel McKiernan, director of the Massachusetts Division of Marine Fisheries. “We come down here in good faith, we negotiate, we work with the industry. We delay this addendum twice to help out the industry, and then to have it scuttled at the 11th hour by 100 angry Maine fishermen for reasons that we also could have seen coming is unacceptable.”

PAWS OFF THE SMALL CLAWS

In 2023, the commission passed regulations that would have increased the minimum size — from 3 1/4 inches to 3 5/16 inches — on the gauges that lobstermen use to measure lobsters and determine whether they are allowed to harvest them. A second increase would have taken effect two years later, bringing the minimum to 3 3/8 inches. The rules also affected the vents in traps that allow undersized lobsters to escape.

A gauge is a ruler that measures a lobster’s carapace, or body, to help determine whether they are long enough to catch. And the escape vents ensure that smaller lobsters are able to leave traps and return to their habitat to continue growing.

The rule hinged on a trigger point — it would go into effect once data indicated that Maine’s lobster stock dropped by 35% from assessments averaged between 2016 through 2018. The Maine Department of Marine Resources at the time anticipated it would take years for Maine to hit that trigger point. But five months later, that trigger was set off.

Data continues to show that warming waters related to climate change, which were at first a boon to Maine’s lobstering industry, could soon be its downfall.

STEAMED UP

Lobstermen were immediately concerned. Industry members and groups say the minimum gauge limits would have effectively forced fishermen to take 1- to 1.25-pound lobsters — which are their most popular catch — off the dinner table.

Lobstermen also question the accuracy of the federal data — saying that it was collected over a small and abnormal time frame that doesn’t indicate the reality of population trends.

The rules have led to years of disagreements. Lobstermen have called on the state, the East Coast fisheries commission’s lobster board and politicians to halt the rules from going into effect. Rep. Jared Golden, D-2nd District, also urged regulators to at least delay the rules from taking effect until better research is collected and alternative solutions are proposed.

The Atlantic States Marine Fisheries Commission did push back the start date from Jan. 1, 2025, to July.

The years-long saga culminated in an altercation between Keliher and lobstermen at a public hearing last month.

A video of the meeting shows Keliher talking about how the future of the industry is at stake and people in the audience starting to talk over him before Keliher asks the crowd to listen to him.
“We don’t have to listen to you,” one man shouted. “You sold out to NOAA and Canada.”
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Keliher, who has historically kept his cool under the public scrutiny of the industry, cursed at the man in response. The crowd became even more riled up. One person accused Keliher of being a sellout, other people also used profanity, while some said everyone should walk out of the meeting.

During Tuesday’s American Lobster Board meeting, Keliher briefly addressed the argument.

“I couldn’t take attacks on me or my staff any longer,” he said.

At the end of the January public hearing, Keliher announced that he would not enforce the rule in Maine — a decision that Gov. Janet Mills endorsed. Mills similarly supported Keliher’s decision to propose the repeal, a spokesperson said on Tuesday afternoon.

If the American Lobster Board had not pulled the plug for all 11 states, Maine would have needed to find an alternative way to meet the conservation standards.

AFTER CELEBRATIONS END, THE WORK MUST GO ON

Seven state delegations approved the repeal, one opposed it and three abstained from the vote. But those who voted in favor are hardly overjoyed.

“We’re all plugging our nose on this,” said Dennis Abbott, a New Hampshire delegate. “I don’t think anybody likes this, but I think we do have to accept the reality.”

Steve Train, a Long Island lobsterman and New York delegate, also pushed back on the perception that all lobstermen stand against the size limits.

“People are saying ‘What are we going to do now?’ It’s not all ‘Oh good, we beat him,'” Train said. “I would like to see the possible alternatives. … But I don’t see where we move forward from here. I understand what’s going on. I understand why we have to do it.”

Many, however, are now breathing a sigh of relief.

“Any day regulators listen to the lobstermen is a good day for Maine,” Golden said in a statement on Tuesday afternoon. “I’m proud to have stood with those Mainers to advocate for their industry and will continue to stand with them to ensure they have a seat at the table in assessing stock data and deciding what regulations — if any — are needed in the Gulf of Maine. No one is more invested in the future of our fishery than they are.”

Rule makers must now head back to the drawing board.

Keliher wants to do so with “a blank slate.” And he wants industry members to have a pen in hand. But even without a July 1 deadline, pressure has not vanished. Keliher said in a statement that he still intends to work intensively in the coming months to bolster the resiliency of Maine’s lobster population.

The Maine Lobstermen’s Association, the most prominent group lobbying against the rules, is all in to find those solutions that meet the needs of rule makers and fishermen.

“We understand and respect the need for a governance system of the lobster industry. No one truly understood how this would blow up,” said the group’s executive director, Patrice McCaron. “The MLA is 100% committed to work with the state, other industry leaders, associations and attend zone council meetings to reframe the issue on how to have resilience in the industry.”

They have their work cut out for them, though. Relationships will need repairing. And a vocal group of skeptical lobstermen will need convincing that there is a problem to solve, at all.
 
Well .........what I didn't read was the need for better data.
What I didn't read was a proposed alternative to the size increase.

All the lobster men care about is their coveted 1-1.5lbers.

Unfortunately, I don't think this story will have a happy ending. The lobster are moving more north every year. Lobstermen and politicians will have only themselves to blame if (when) the fishery collapses
 
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