Wind farm in Montauk

57% of NY residents use Nat Gas , 29% use oil for heat . Imagine the smog problem if we all burned wood ? Where would all that wood come from ... How much smog would we encounter on those foggy / souppy days ?
Our Hospitals would be full of Asthma and COPD patients ........
LI would be treeless ....
 
Windmills kill up tp 500,000 birds a years including Eagles ....
The Feds predict at the current pace of windmill construction , 1.4 million birds will annually be killed in the next decade or so ...........
 
yep - 23,000,000 a day for the US & Canada alone.............

I googled that like 6 years ago. Conversation on humane means to kill chickens for food. Got kinda heated. Liberal dominated website at the time.
 
Just ran across this article , June 2018 on NPR .

A peer reviewed study by Penn State ' Bradford County water quality improving since the 1980's . DESPITE shale gas drilling " ....
Bradford County PA is at the heart of fracking in PA ....
 
Follow up to the story from: www.city-journal.org
Cuomo’s Green New Deal Paddles Offshore

" In his State of the State speech earlier this month, New York governor Andrew Cuomo declared that he was launching “the next phase of the Green New Deal.” New York, Cuomo said, will mandate that the state’s utilities produce 100 percent “carbon-neutral” electricity by 2040. As a step toward that goal, Cuomo announced plans to deploy 9,000 megawatts of offshore wind capacity by 2035, a move he touts as “the most aggressive offshore wind goal in U.S. history.”

Cuomo’s move is the latest version of what appears to be a competition among east coast states to see which one can set the most ambitious offshore wind-energy goals. New Jersey has a goal of 3,500 megawatts, Massachusetts plans for 1,600, and Rhode Island is aiming for 1,000. Building offshore wind projects is contentious—the battle over the 468-megawatt Cape Wind project in Massachusetts, which was finally scuttled in 2015, lasted more than a decade—and expensive. That’s why relatively little offshore wind capacity has been built around the world.

Cuomo and his renewable-energy allies are aiming to take their projects offshore because of fierce local upstate opposition to proposed onshore wind projects. But even if Cuomo’s target of 9,000 megawatts of new offshore wind gets built over the next 16 years (and I’m willing to bet that it won’t be), nearly half of that capacity will be needed merely to replace the zero-carbon electricity now being produced by the Indian Point nuclear plant. For years, Cuomo pushed for the premature closure of the 2,069-megawatt nuclear facility in Westchester County. Two years ago, the governor announced that the plant will be permanently shuttered by 2021.

New York State currently has about 1,900 megawatts of installed onshore wind capacity, but a growing rural backlash to the landscape-destroying encroachment of giant turbines is capping the growth of land-based wind generation. Over the past decade or so, about 50 rural New York communities have moved to reject or restrict wind projects. In November, the town of Richland (population 5,500) passed a measure that prohibits installation of large wind turbines within one mile of a residential property. It also imposes strict noise and height limits. Last month, Richland Town Supervisor Dan Krupke toldOswego’s Palladium Times: “We want to keep the integrity of our community here. A lot of people come here because of the extensive natural resources we have and we don’t want that to change.”

One of the longest-running upstate battles concerns a proposed 200-megawatt project called Lighthouse Wind, which would put dozens of turbines on the shores of Lake Ontario. Three upstate counties—Erie, Orleans, and Niagara—as well as the towns of Yates and Somerset are fighting the project. Lighthouse Wind gives an indication of how much onshore capacity the state will need to boost its renewable-energy production. In 2016, the New York Independent System Operator, the nonprofit entity that manages the state’s electric grid, estimated that if the state wanted to obtain 50 percent of its electricity from renewables by 2050, it would need about 3,500 megawatts of new onshore wind capacity. That means that the state will need 17 new projects the size of Lighthouse Wind. Given the opposition to building just one project of that size, it’s difficult to see where the state will put 17 of them.

The same developer pushing Lighthouse Wind, Virginia-based Apex Clean Energy, is also facing fierce resistance on the 109-megawatt Galloo Island facility, which would require putting dozens of turbines on a small island off the eastern shore of Lake Ontario. In its application for a permit, Apex neglected to report that bald eagles have been nesting on the island. The project’s approval is now in jeopardy.

Clifford Schneider, a retired biologist who worked at the New York Department of Environmental Conservation for 34 years, has been leading the fight against the Galloo project. In a phone interview, he told me that Apex knew that eagles had nested on the island but didn’t disclose that information to state regulators. “How do you trust a company that has supplied false and inaccurate statements to the state?” he asked. Schneider, who lives on Wellesley Island in Jefferson County, also said that “Galloo is a terrible place for a wind project. We know eagles use the island. Eagles could be hurt or killed by those wind turbines.”

In a recent letter to state regulators, an Apex lawyer claimed that the company has “not misled the parties or the hearing examiners” about the eagle nest on the island. But that contention may not sway the Department of Public Service, which has said that the chronology of events “raises questions about the timeliness of disclosures and accuracy of statements” submitted by Apex to state regulators.

The friction facing onshore wind projects, as well as the difficulty of building lots of wind capacity offshore, underscores the importance of the two reactors at the Indian Point Energy Center. That facility produces about 16,400 gigawatt-hours of electricity per year—roughly 25 percent of the electricity used in New York City. By comparison, the proposed South Fork Wind Farm—a 90-megawatt project that may be built 35 miles east of Montauk, though it is being fought by local fishermen, including the Long Island Commercial Fishing Association—is expected to produce about 370 gigawatt-hours per year. Thus, merely replacing the energy now being produced from Indian Point will require about 4,000 of the 9,000 megawatts of offshore capacity that Cuomo wants to build. Those numbers suggest that the NYISO was correct when it said in 2016 that “retaining all existing nuclear generators is critical” to the state’s emission-reduction goals.

If Cuomo was serious about cutting New York’s greenhouse-gas emissions, he would be fighting to keep Indian Point open. Instead, he has floated an offshore proposal certain to cost consumers billions of dollars in the form of higher electricity costs. Unanswered questions remain, including where the transmission lines for all that power will come ashore. Add in the fact that New York has some of the most heavily fished and heavily navigated waters on the eastern seaboard, and the 9,000-megawatt proposal looks even more dubious—and even if that portion of offshore capacity somehow gets built, it won’t be nearly enough to meet New York’s electricity needs."
 
I would bet that those who oppose drilling of Nat Gas are enjoying the heat provided by the hundreds of thousands of men and women working in the Nat Gas Industry ......
Without Nat Gas , the folks in Chicago would be in grave danger tonight ........ NY as well ........
Heck even a Tesla doesn't like to run when its this cold out ...........
 
Con Ed announced on Jan 18 that there will be no new Gas hookups in Westchester County , due to a lack of pipeline supply ..... I guess any new homes in the area going to burn #2 oil ......... nice and clean ........
 
GM shuts down its plants at the request of the local utilities , not enough Nat Gas available in the pipeline system .........
- 20 in Chicago , 4 degrees here .... All of NY , NJ , OH , PA , all of New England , all the Mid West , all the Great Plains are near the Zero degree mark or even much lower .... Just think 20 years from now , Windmills will keep us warm .................
Nice and cozy today ? Thank the hard working men and women who drill for gas and oil .... Record Electric demand today as well , where does LIPA get most of its Electric from ? Nat Gas ..............
 
Not that I'm as radical or fervent anti-wind as some posters here, but in "response" to Il Duce's policy speech, any of you out there with heat pumps right now are probably freezing your cajones off, as they do not heat well when the temps get below 10 °F, whether they be electric or geothermal.

You need some sort of secondary heating system in the Mid-Atlantic and New England states if you're relying on heat pumps, just saying...
 
Not that I'm as radical or fervent anti-wind as some posters here, but in "response" to Il Duce's policy speech, any of you out there with heat pumps right now are probably freezing your cajones off, as they do not heat well when the temps get below 10 °F, whether they be electric or geothermal.

You need some sort of secondary heating system in the Mid-Atlantic and New England states if you're relying on heat pumps, just saying...
Never knew that Geo thermal was only effective to 25 or 30 degrees , and a back up is needed ..............
I liked the concept , after this info , not for me ..........
 
Not that I'm as radical or fervent anti-wind as some posters here, but in "response" to Il Duce's policy speech, any of you out there with heat pumps right now are probably freezing your cajones off, as they do not heat well when the temps get below 10 °F, whether they be electric or geothermal.

You need some sort of secondary heating system in the Mid-Atlantic and New England states if you're relying on heat pumps, just saying...

There's supposed to be a heat coil for the defrost cycle during the winter, is this just for that purpose or can it be used to compensate the difference?
 
There's supposed to be a heat coil for the defrost cycle during the winter, is this just for that purpose or can it be used to compensate the difference?

I believe it's just for the defrost cycle. Maine had a bunch of rebates on heat pump "splits", but not on A/C alone units. Many folks bought them and many moaned and groaned last winter when the temps dropped below 10 °F because they couldn't get enough heat. I bought one too for a room I was adding A/C to since the rebate made up the price differential between an A/C only unit and a A/C and heat. Let me I pocket the difference. The room it went into already had heat so I've never tested the complaint.
 


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Opinion
Editorial: Tell Us What the Power Will Cost
January 31, 2019 East End Beacon 0 Comments
From the first whisperings we heard that offshore wind could be a real player on the energy landscape of the East End, we were excited. The winds off our shores are world-class, and it seems only natural that wind be used in an area that has some of the highest electric energy rates in the country.
The need for fossil fuel-free solutions to protect the earth from climate change is dire, and the recent disturbing news about the rapid pace we expect climate change to take in the coming decades is something none of us can afford to ignore. We need to ramp up our efforts to fight climate change, and an arsenal of bold projects is essential to this effort.
We were impressed at the start by the outreach from Deepwater Wind to explain their plans for the South Fork Wind Farm, slated to be built 30 miles off the Montauk shore. But the devil is in the details, and the details available for this project have become troubling.
Along the line, Deepwater Wind’s communication has become less direct, their assurances to work with the fishing community have begun to sound more like greenwashing than collaboration, and the company’s purchase last year by Danish energy giant Ørsted has dramatically changed what had been a homegrown energy story. And despite their assurances that we’ve been kept fully in the loop, their bumbled rollout of the news that the South Fork Wind Farm will likely produce more energy than originally proposed leads us to wonder just how this relates to the wind company’s power purchase agreement with the Long Island Power Authority, signed long before the public was aware of this change in scope of the project.
We’ve been puzzled for the past two years at the secrecy surrounding the power purchase agreement. Deepwater has long attempted to assure the public that their company will bear the brunt of any cost overruns, since LIPA has agreed to purchase the power at a set rate, but this doesn’t answer the fundamental question of what that set rate will be.
Long Island’s energy ratepayers will be paying for this power. It seems a simple question to ask what the amount they will be paying will be.
Deepwater Wind’s demonstration project, which has been powering Block Island since late 2016, has proved a microcosm of both the potential successes and pitfalls of offshore wind. While surveys have shown the public’s view of the turbines has become more positive in the years since they were built, issues such as the recent exposure of the cable that brings the power to the island, due to shifting sands, are troubling.
The power purchase agreement for the Block Island project has been public from the start. On Block Island, Deepwater Wind is selling the power to National Grid, Rhode Island’s electric utility, through another 20-year Power Purchase Agreement. In the initial year of operation, ratepayers paid 24.4 cents per kilowatt-hour for the electricity purchased there, with a 3.5 cent increase each year.
Block Island has historically had very high electric costs due to the necessity of trucking diesel fuel to the island to run its power plant. So even though that agreement is public, it isn’t an apples to apples comparison to what Long Island can expect.
We’ve been given assurances here that the price is “very competitive with renewables across Long Island,” which stood at about 16 cents per kilowatt hour when the contract was approved in January 2017. We’ve also been assured that, because the cost to buy Deepwater Wind’s power will be set for 20 years, we should take heart that this is an invariable amount. But without knowing what this amount is, these assurances continue to ring hollow.
Overall, electric customers on Long Island are currently paying 10.3085 cents per kilowatt/hour of energy they consume, which includes both renewable and non-renewable sources. These rates are already high.
State Assemblyman Fred Thiele, long a critic of lack of transparency at LIPA, is right to be concerned by the lack of daylight in this agreement, and we applaud his attempt to make the power purchase agreement public.
If Ørsted plans to be a good neighbor to the East End, the company could engender much goodwill by honoring the public’s request. This has been a no-brainer for two years, and we question the judgement and the honesty of a company that cannot provide us with this basic fact.
Offshore wind will likely be a vital part of our energy future. Innovative solutions to the climate crisis, such as a carbon tax, require that we have large scale, viable alternatives to fossil fuel. Long Island can’t get there with solar roofs alone. We need wind, and it has to be done right. Time is of the essence, and we are out of time for playing games over how we are going to pay for it.
 
A lot of families already have a difficult time living on Long Island with all its higher than average expenses ............
Plenty of folks living paycheck to paycheck .........
 

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