Coronavirus

The vaccine doesnt kill the virus. It triggers your immune system in the presence of the virus.

Covid virus likes to hang out in the Nasal/throat area. Theoretically, A vaccinated person can carry virus in their nose.......sneeze on an unvaccinated person and .......wallah......transmission.

Its theoretical. Not sure if there are any documented cases of that actually happening........

Its the main reason why masks have been crucial in all of this.
 
@OVERBORED hit the nail on the head. THEREFORE, if you're 2-weeks post second injection of Moderna or Pfizer, you can sit around with friends/family who can claim the same, BUT you must still wear a mast when you're outside or inside with any folks who haven't been vaccinated yet.

If you're so inclined, there's a more detailed explanation below. The only reason I posted it is because it may help folks to understand why there are so many unknowns, the fact that the vaccine clinical trials all focused on the critical question, "Does the vaccine protect against SYMPTOMATIC COVID infections?" For the record, this decision to look at only symptomatic infections is NOT an example of "rushing the vaccine." NO vaccine trial does this. These sort of data are sorted out after a vaccine is approved and used, usually done by academic physicians & scientists to increase the vaccine's knowledge base.

Since there are many asymptomatic infections, one has to factor that in answering any COVID discussion...

Can you still spread COVID-19 to other people after getting the vaccine?

Most infectious disease experts believe that a highly effective vaccine will help lower the risk that you can spread COVID-19 after you’re immunized, but they’re still trying to determine what the impact looks like on case numbers. Concrete data hasn’t been released yet on whether the vaccines offer what’s known as sterilizing immunity, which means that those who are vaccinated can’t contract or pass on the virus at all.

“We expect that the level of risk of transmissibility is greatly diminished, but not eliminated,” says Stanley H. Weiss, M.D., an epidemiologist and professor at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School and the Department of Biostatistics & Epidemiology at the Rutgers School of Public Health.
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“The clinical trials that looked at the vaccines that are authorized for use by the FDA were based on the prevention of symptomatic disease—they weren’t looking at asymptomatic disease,” says infectious disease expert Amesh A. Adalja, M.D., senior scholar at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security. “They weren’t designed to determine whether asymptomatic transmission would occur [post-vaccination].”

Statistics vary, but research has shown that up to 20% of people who have COVID-19 show no symptoms. (Earlier reports cited a much higher number, but most data now suggest that people who were previously counted as asymptomatic ended up developing symptoms.) “Early data show the vaccines do help keep people with no symptoms from spreading COVID-19, but we are learning more as more people get vaccinated,” the CDC states on its site.

So, until enough studies show otherwise, there’s still a possibility that people who are vaccinated can become infected with COVID-19 without experiencing symptoms and shed the virus. Remember, the available vaccines are not 100% effective at preventing COVID-19 infection. So, if the novel coronavirus makes its way into your body after you get the vaccine, your immune system will have a good chance of fighting it off—but it also might allow small amounts of the virus to replicate, says Dr. Adalja. Sure, you may have a mild case or no symptoms at all, but your body can still release the virus via respiratory droplets from your nose and mouth, potentially infecting someone else who does not have the same level of protection from immunization. This is where things become tricky: Researchers really don’t know yet if this viral load would be big enough to make someone else sick.

There’s also a possibility that you could get COVID-19 right before or after your vaccination. According to the CDC, it takes a few weeks for immunity to fully kick in, so you can still theoretically become infected and pass the virus on to others as your body works on ramping up its immune response.

Recent research released from the University of Oxford and biopharmaceutical company AstraZeneca did look at whether people who had received their vaccine candidate in clinical trials had the potential to pass on the coronavirus. The preliminary study, which was published in Preprints with The Lancet on February 1, analyzed data from participants in the U.K., Brazil, and South Africa, and found that the overall efficacy of the two-dose vaccine is 82.4%. The research also found that there was a 67% reduction in nasal swabs that were positive for the coronavirus after people were vaccinated, suggesting that they were much less likely to spread COVID-19 afterward.
 
Let the games begin...

Likely Legal, ‘Vaccine Passports’ Emerge as the Next Coronavirus Divide​

Businesses and universities want fast, easy ways to see if students and customers are vaccinated, but conservative politicians have turned “vaccine passports” into a cultural flash point.

Travelers in February at Ronald Reagan National Airport near Washington.

Travelers in February at Ronald Reagan National Airport near Washington.Credit...Erin Schaff/The New York Times

WASHINGTON — Cathay Pacific airlines, convinced that digital proof of coronavirus vaccination will bring about the return of safe international travel, asked its pilots and crew to try out a new mobile app that showed their vaccination status on a recent flight from Hong Kong to Los Angeles.

New York has rolled out “Excelsior Pass,” billed by the state as “a free, fast and secure way to present digital proof of Covid-19 vaccination” in case reopening sports and entertainment venues require proof of attendees’ status.

And Walmart, the nation’s largest private employer, is offering electronic verification apps to patients vaccinated in its stores so they “can easily access their vaccine status as needed,” the company says.

Around the country, businesses, schools and politicians are considering “vaccine passports” — digital proof of vaccination against the coronavirus — as a path to reviving the economy and getting Americans back to work and play. Businesses especially fear that too many customers will stay away unless they can be assured that the other patrons have been inoculated.

But the idea is raising charged legal and ethical questions: Can businesses require employees or customers to provide proof — digital or otherwise — that they have been vaccinated when the coronavirus vaccine is ostensibly voluntary?

Can schools require that students prove they have been injected with what is still officially an experimental prophylaxis the same way they require long-approved vaccines for measles and polio? And finally, can governments mandate vaccinations — or stand in the way of businesses or educational institutions that demand proof?

Legal experts say the answer to all of these questions is generally yes, though in a society so divided, politicians are already girding for a fight. Government entities like school boards and the Army can require vaccinations for entry, service and travel — practices that flow from a 1905 Supreme Court ruling that said states could require residents to be vaccinated against smallpox or pay a fine.

“A community has the right to protect itself against an epidemic of disease which threatens the safety of its members,” Justice John Marshall Harlan wrote in Jacobson v. Massachusetts, the 1905 case.

Private companies, moreover, are free to refuse to employ or do business with whomever they want, subject to only a few exceptions, ones that do not include vaccination status. And states can probably override that freedom by enacting a law barring discrimination based on vaccination status.

But as the nation struggles to emerge from the worst public health crisis in a century, the arrival of digital vaccine verification apps — a modern version of the World Health Organization’s “yellow card” that provides international proof of yellow fever vaccination — has generated intense debate over whether proof of vaccination can be required at all.

On Tuesday, Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas became the latest Republican governor to issue an executive order barring state agencies and private entities receiving funds from the state from requiring proof of vaccination. The World Health Organization, citing equity concerns, also said on Tuesday that it currently did not support mandatory proof of vaccination for international travel.

Others are moving forward. Universities like Rutgers, Brown and Cornell have already said they will require proof of vaccination for students this fall. The Miami Heat this week became the first team in the N.B.A. to open special “vaccinated only” sections.

And though businesses have yet to announce outright bans on unvaccinated clientele, some states and technology firms are preparing: At least 17 companies or nonprofits are developing websites or apps that might be used by sporting venues, restaurants and other businesses seeking to keep their customers and employees safe, according to Joel White, the executive director of the Health Innovation Alliance, a broad coalition of health providers, tech companies, employers and insurers.

Airlines including JetBlue and United are also testing the “CommonPass” app, developed by The Commons Project, a nonprofit trust dedicated to using technology to help people control their personal information. Airlines for America, the trade group for the nation’s major carriers, opposes making proof of vaccination mandatory for air travel but would like a clean, easy way for travelers to show their status. Other countries may require proof of vaccination, and the apps can also be used to prove negative coronavirus test results, which the United States requires for international travelers.

“On the face of things, requiring proof of vaccination seems a lot like, ‘No shoes, no shirt, no service,’” said Mark Tushnet, a law professor at Harvard.
 
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my sister inlaw sent me this garbage..telling me knowledge is power...she is an anti vaxxer....so i said what about the 1000 to 1 pro vaccine docs/scientists ...is there knowledge not power??
 
I dont believe a public institution can require proof of vaccination but the private sector (ie, airlines, cruise lines, concert venues..) can.

Covid will continue to mutate just as the flu virus does every year.

My initial reaction to the pandemic was that the solution was going to be worse than the problem. Meaning closures, isolation and curfews were going to do more harm than good. I still believe there needs to be a balance.

ironically, during all of this, I felt more comfortable eating in a restaurant than a supermarket. Not to mention what a fiasco going to Home Depot was last spring.........
 
I went to two different HDs last spring. the guy at the door simply made you wait until a customer inside left. The cashier lines weren't a problem either, six feet apart with marks on the floor, even got my mil discount from the helpful guy ushering the line.
I have never eaten in a supermarket, lol, so I can't comment on that.
 
Got my 2nd Pfizer this afternoon, two other co-workers who both received 2nd at same vaccination site said they had flu-like symptoms the next day.
Can't wait.
 
Whoa, feel like I've been hit by a train today. The chills have gotten better since I raised the heat up, all my joints are achy and I can't keep my eyes open.

If this was a workday I'd be out sick, no doubt.
 
2 of the 6 at our dentist's office had the same. They were back to normal 24 hours later. No one in my extended family or close friends had that reaction, just sore arms, so sorry about that. Feel better !
 
2 of the 6 at our dentist's office had the same. They were back to normal 24 hours later. No one in my extended family or close friends had that reaction, just sore arms, so sorry about that. Feel better !

Thanks, I feel like I'm starting to feel a bit better after being semi-awake for 3 hours. I imagine tomorrow will be much better, would do it again if I had to.
 
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