Boat Capsizes in Jones Inlet, one dead, one missing

[Aquarius]

Boat Capsizes in Jones Inlet, one dead, one missing

POINT LOOKOUT, N.Y. — A Farmingdale man died Saturday and another man remains missing after a boat capsized near Jones Beach inlet off Long Island, Nassau County police said.

John Costa, 54, was trying to navigate his 22-foot Angler fishing boat through rough water near Point Lookout around 10 a.m. when the boat was hit by multiple large waves, which overturned the vessel, Nassau police said. Costa and three passengers were thrown into the water.

Not long after, a family on another boat spotted two men in the water and called for help. The good Samaritans pulled the 24-year-old and 26-year-old into their boat and continued to look for the other victims until authorities arrived.

Both men were treated for hypothermia and non-life-threatening injuries at an area hospital.

A massive search was launched by the United States Coast Guard, Nassau County First Precinct, New York City Police Aviation Bureau, and multiple Fire Departments for the remaining boaters.

Costa was later pulled from the water and pronounced dead at a hospital, Nassau police said.

There were 11 total boat crews and four helicopter crews utilized in the search, according to the Coast Guard. However, by 10 p.m., the search for the fourth boater, a 55 year-old man, was called off pending new information, officials said.

"Our deepest condolences go out to the families and friends of those who were lost and affected by this tragic incident," said Cmdr. Valerie Boyd, a search and rescue mission coordinator with Sector Long Island Sound.

The boat was removed from the water by the Nassau County Marine Bureau and the investigation is ongoing, police said.

 

[PropellerJohnII]

Boat Capsizes in Jones Inlet, one dead, one missing

POINT LOOKOUT, N.Y. — A Farmingdale man died Saturday and another man remains missing after a boat capsized near Jones Beach inlet off Long Island, Nassau County police said.

John Costa, 54, was trying to navigate his 22-foot Angler fishing boat through rough water near Point Lookout around 10 a.m. when the boat was hit by multiple large waves, which overturned the vessel, Nassau police said. Costa and three passengers were thrown into the water.

Not long after, a family on another boat spotted two men in the water and called for help. The good Samaritans pulled the 24-year-old and 26-year-old into their boat and continued to look for the other victims until authorities arrived.

Both men were treated for hypothermia and non-life-threatening injuries at an area hospital.

A massive search was launched by the United States Coast Guard, Nassau County First Precinct, New York City Police Aviation Bureau, and multiple Fire Departments for the remaining boaters.

Costa was later pulled from the water and pronounced dead at a hospital, Nassau police said.

There were 11 total boat crews and four helicopter crews utilized in the search, according to the Coast Guard. However, by 10 p.m., the search for the fourth boater, a 55 year-old man, was called off pending new information, officials said.

"Our deepest condolences go out to the families and friends of those who were lost and affected by this tragic incident," said Cmdr. Valerie Boyd, a search and rescue mission coordinator with Sector Long Island Sound.

The boat was removed from the water by the Nassau County Marine Bureau and the investigation is ongoing, police said.

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My thoughts and prayers for the families of the deceased.

 

[pequa1]

all from the same household ? Were the two rescued his sons ? I was surfcasting a few miles east and I can tell you that the north wind was up to 25kts until about 0930. surfers having a field day. Entire bay was white caps driving across the Wantagh causeway.

Edited to add:Man dies after his boat capsizes off Long Island coast, friend missing

three "pals." 22' boat. No further comment here other than RIP.

 

[jpd]

Went through that inlet years back when we had no business being out there - ain't no joke.
Coming in we thought the engine was misfiring - turned out to be a CG helicopter right over our heads.

We slammed after cresting a wave - snapped off a battery cable before reaching the inlet - had we stalled we were toast.

CG was looking for a NJ fisherman that fell off his boat earlier.

RIP

 

[Capt Richie]

very sad to hear it..at times it can get very bad..no fish is worth a life..stay safe boat smart..

 

[WhatKnot]

Transited that Inlet many, many times. I believe it got worse after the last dredging; ten-ish years ago. So sad.

 

[Capt Richie]

Transited that Inlet many, many times. I believe it got worse after the last dredging; ten-ish years ago. So sad.

yes your'e right...there was a time when the east side by the jetty you could get in & out with a very short snotty spot...thats not the case anymore...the west side can be a real mess even the marked channel gets breakers..

 

[Avenger]

Another reminder of the risks we take just to go out and enjoy ourselves. This has to be horrible for the families involved.

Anybody know what the water temp is this time of year? I'm thinking your life expenctancy in the water is measured in minutes, not hours.

 

[pequa1]

Ocean water temperature has hovered between high 40s and low 50s. but as I stated earlier, I was surfcasting at the time this event occurred and although I am not positive that it was wind against current in the inlet, the tide was dead low and the wind was blowing out of the north at over 15kts, making the surf scene quite beautiful with the wind blowing off of the cresting waves.

Expected Survival Time in Cold Water

Water Temperature	Exhaustion or Unconsciousness in	Expected Survival Time
50–60° F (10–16° C)	1–2 hours	1–6 hours
40–50° F (4–10° C)	30–60 minutes	1–3 hours
32.5–40° F (0–4° C)	15–30 minutes	30–90 minutes
<32° F (<0° C)	Under 15 minutes	Under 15–45 minutes

 

[Aquarius]

Another reminder of the risks we take just to go out and enjoy ourselves. This has to be horrible for the families involved.

Anybody know what the water temp is this time of year? I'm thinking your life expenctancy in the water is measured in minutes, not hours.

The water temp when I was out Tuesday, April 28 was 47 degrees F in that area.

When you think about it, every time we get in our cars to do some other form of recreation, we take a similar risk. In our cars, we are more at the mercy of others than when on the water. I like being out on the water as my fate in more in the hands of my own judgement and skill rather than in someone else.

Each season you hear of maybe one or two fatalities occurring in Jones Inlet. Sometimes none. Compare that to the Long Island Expressway or the Southern State.

When planning a day of fishing I always look at the NOAA current tables (NOT tide). The inlet is usually better on an incoming current rather than outgoing. When the current changes direction, the inlet can go from safe to navigate to unsafe to navigate in a matter of minutes.

 

[Chinacat]

So on your lead Aquarius I located a site for current rather tide and found this chart and have a few questions if you dont mind...

First, If speed is at the left, the red line is showing the progression of ebb and flood correct? If there is roughly six hours between bottom of ebb and top of flood, why is the speed "0" knots half way thru whether flooding or ebbing?

I know this discussion took place in detail on the former NE site but i'm a bit fuzzy on the details so If you wouldn't mind sharing I'd appreciate it.

 

[Roccus7]

I admit, it confused me at first too.

So on your lead Aquarius I located a site for current rather tide and found this chart and have a few questions if you dont mind...
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First, If speed is at the left, the red line is showing the progression of ebb and flood correct? If there is roughly six hours between bottom of ebb and top of flood, why is the speed "0" knots half way thru whether flooding or ebbing?

I know this discussion took place in detail on the former NE site but i'm a bit fuzzy on the details so If you wouldn't mind sharing I'd appreciate it.

This is a bit confusing because you immediately think the sine wave should go up from ebb to flood, like a tide chart, something I did when I first looked at it. HOWEVER in this case the entire flood current is the part of the wave that goes from ZERO up to the MAX and then back down to ZERO. So the current at the beginning of the flood and at the end is Zero while the max flood current is just about mid-flood. The EBB is the opposite 1/2 of the sine wave and the "negative" is directional, the tidal direction opposite to the flood. In general, these data show ebb tides are stronger than flood.

Hope this helps you out.

 

[Aquarius]

I admit, it confused me at first too.


This is a bit confusing because you immediately think the sine wave should go up from ebb to flood, like a tide chart, something I did when I first looked at it. HOWEVER in this case the entire flood current is the part of the wave that goes from ZERO up to the MAX and then back down to ZERO. So the current at the beginning of the flood and at the end is Zero while the max flood current is just about mid-flood. The EBB is the opposite 1/2 of the sine wave and the "negative" is directional, the tidal direction opposite to the flood. In general, these data show ebb tides are stronger than flood.

Hope this helps you out.

Roccus is exactly correct with the interpretation of that graph. If you think of it as a tide chart, it is easy to get messed up with regard to the direction of the current flow.

The ebb and flood stages last about 6 hours and 20 minutes. The thing to also observe and question is the fact that "high tide" can occur while the water is still moving in or out. In other words, the current may be going into the inlet, while the water level is actually going down. The difference between high or low tide and slack current in the inlet can be one to two hours depending on the inlet. That is a big deal if you are returning on a nasty day and hoping to get to the inlet for incoming water, and it ends up still on the ebb.

 

[Chinacat]

I admit, it confused me at first too.


This is a bit confusing because you immediately think the sine wave should go up from ebb to flood, like a tide chart, something I did when I first looked at it. HOWEVER in this case the entire flood current is the part of the wave that goes from ZERO up to the MAX and then back down to ZERO. So the current at the beginning of the flood and at the end is Zero while the max flood current is just about mid-flood. The EBB is the opposite 1/2 of the sine wave and the "negative" is directional, the tidal direction opposite to the flood. In general, these data show ebb tides are stronger than flood.

Hope this helps you out.

Yes it helps, and makes me realize I need to give this alot more thought

 

[Chinacat]

Roccus is exactly correct with the interpretation of that graph. If you think of it as a tide chart, it is easy to get messed up with regard to the direction of the current flow.

The ebb and flood stages last about 6 hours and 20 minutes. The thing to also observe and question is the fact that "high tide" can occur while the water is still moving in or out. In other words, the current may be going into the inlet, while the water level is actually going down. The difference between high or low tide and slack current in the inlet can be one to two hours depending on the inlet. That is a big deal if you are returning on a nasty day and hoping to get to the inlet for incoming water, and it ends up still on the ebb.

Thank You!
Are there any charts you are aware of that show BOTH current and Tide plotted together to see it in one place at the same time rather than toggling back and forth between 2 charts?

 

[wader]

terrible

 

[live bait]

The chart plotter on my boat shows both tide times & current times, I think most do.
John

 

[Roccus7]

Now I'm showing my age, but back in my rag sailing days...

 

[Chinacat]

Thanks All

 

[Capt13]

Now I'm showing my age, but back in my rag sailing days...

I believe, still required to be carried aboard inspected vessels.