Big Hearings Regarding Recreational Scup, BSB, Bluefish & Fluke coming up!! Make your voice heard!!

The difference in NY/NJ fluke bag limits began in 2017 when NJ was penalized 1 fluke when NJ went out of compliance with ASFMC guidelines. NJ 'knew' there would be penalties but never a closure. In 2026 NJ Fluke bag limit is 3, while NY is four. However NJ still benefits from smaller legal size requirement.
ASMFC will gladly pass the buck to US Director of Commerce (threat of statewide recreational ban). Here's a relevant podcast that George produced in 2021 about noncompliance-
 
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I would gladly support dropping the NY bag limit to three or even two to get Joisey's lower size. I would treat such a bag limit as I treat the one fish limit on weaks; catch one for dinner and paddle home to hit the pool and do other stuff, rather than paddling around to "torture" more shorts or play hook and release.
 
For every one of YOU there's 100 guys who pay good $$$ fishing private boat, PB andCB. I'm sure they would disagree. I would!
And this is a good reason why so many fisheries have come and gone. Sheepshead. Winter flounder. Yet joisey Isnt complaining…. So as with everything else, money and greed win, and the environment loses.
 
It's this divisiveness amongst our own ranks that is the problem. You don't care about the PB crowd, they don't care about a kayaker fishing the bay.
 
It's this divisiveness amongst our own ranks that is the problem. You don't care about the PB crowd, they don't care about a kayaker fishing the bay.
Can't disagree with that, but why not consider the future of the fisheries ? Shouldn't skippers wanting to pass on an activity or a livelihood to their descendents consider the demise of the winter flounder fishery as a harbinger? When I didn't know better I would come home with pails of them.
 
Can't disagree with that, but why not consider the future of the fisheries ? Shouldn't skippers wanting to pass on an activity or a livelihood to their descendents consider the demise of the winter flounder fishery as a harbinger? When I didn't know better I would come home with pails of them.
Flounder are as much an ecological disaster as a regulatory one. They go hand in hand.
 
look what noaa on west coast is doing its called stocking should we all stand here and watch flounder become extinct if our generation doesn't say something most staff at dec don't know what winter flounder is
 
Again, your stocking waters that have a myriad of environmental issues that our out of our control. Years of coast building and loss of marshlands have decimated juvenile populations
 
Again, your stocking waters that have a myriad of environmental issues that our out of our control. Years of coast building and loss of marshlands have decimated juvenile populations
While I do agree that most of our problems with certain stock sizes are multifaceted problems. I also believe, as Hawk375 said, we can't just give up. To the best of my knowledge there is still a pretty viable winter flounder fishery in both Boston Harbor and Cape Cod Bay. Am I supposed to believe they do not have the same environmental challenges there as we do on LI?

This is not a shot at you, Overbored, but I really question what credentials one needs to called a "fisheries scientist" and start setting rules for many hard-working folks who actually possess far more local and pertinent knowledge than they do. Book learning is fine for those involved in classroom debates, but not when it comes to people's livelihoods or the survival of a given species.

If I was on a jumbo jet trying to land at JFK in a thunderstorm, I would rather have the guy in the cockpit who has done that hundreds of times before than some "over educated" academic who studied it forever but never touched the controls. I firmly believe that many of the folks calculating/guessing what to do with our regulations have very limited time on the water themselves. Pair that with lots of bad data and you see how we get to this point.
 
IMHO the DEC, MRAC, and all the other agencies who "manage" our fisheries regulations have more excuses why they cannot make the right decision than they have reasons to correctly support either the fish themselves or the entire public, both recreational and commercial interests, Lack of government funds is just one of many of those excuses.

I attended this afternoon's meeting with high expectations, hoping to hear about more reasonable Black Sea Bass regulations for 2026. Unfortunately, what transpired was just another exercise in intense frustration.

While it has been announced that there will be a 20% liberalization of these regulations, the manner in which this "improvement" will be implemented will probably not be all that appealing to most of us. Aside from the modest turn out of recreational anglers and charter and party boat captains, the meeting was chaired by MRAC board members including fisheries scientists plus representatives from the for-hire, commercial and recreational fishing sectors.

We were first informed that about 2200 people responded to the survey asking about what methods should be used to implement the 20% liberalization change. Approximately 2,000 of the replies came from the recreational sector and 200 from the for-hire industry. The majority of the responses favored a lowering of the minimum size limit as their first priority, while the rest of the responses were tied between an increase in season length and bag limit as their second choice for how to achieve the 20% liberalization.

Then came the first and most serious blow. We were told to achieve the meaningful changes we would like to see the following liberalization percentages are necessary:
Change to 16" minimum size - 25%
Change to 15.5% minimums size - 55%
Open season on May 22 - 4%

Almost immediately it became clear that our chances of getting even a 0.5" reduction in minimum size is going to be a very long shot. A member of the commercial sector suggested that if the respondents to the survey knew in advance that a shift to 16" was impossible then they would have answered the request for the rank ordered changes differently. So, the suggestion was made that a new survey be sent out removing the minimums size reduction and asking the respondents to now rank order season open/close dates and bag limits.

What really shocked me was that both the recreational representative and one of the for-hire representatives actually thought this is a good idea! Myself, along with my colleagues from the North Fork for hire sector, along with some other captain's all pointed out the if we are already struggling to catch keepers at a 16.5" minimum how will anything change if we simply lengthen the season or increase the bag limits!

I also mentioned that reviewing my own landings over the past 8 years that the total number of Sea Bass caught has increased dramatically. However, the percentage of fish legally retained has dropped even faster since the 16" minimum was implemented. Up until 2024 my landings of keeper sized Sea Bass averaged about 45-50% of the total catch. Over the last 2 years, at 16" then 16.5", that ratio dropped to 15%.!!

Because of the way final regulations are generated, we are told that there is a chance that with some negotiations between NY and our bordering states we might still get a reduction to the 16" minimum. Based upon our prior experience I have little to no confidence this will actually happen.

Timetable for all of this is pretty short with the new surveys set to go out within days. The board hopes to have new options ready to go by early to mid-March with the final decisions on 2026 Sea Bass regulations to be finalized by late April.

Regarding the duration of the regulations for our most popular bottom species, all are on a 2-year plan right now. So, since Fluke and Porgy were revised last year, they remain the same for 2026. For the new Sea Bass Regulations, they will be in effect for 2026 and 2027.

Sory to be the bearer of bad news, but unless I grossly misunderstood what was said today this looks like the playing field we will have to live with for the new season.




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Sorry Mike
I did not see this sooner
Thank you for going to the meeting to support us, speak out and provide us with the summary
Im not surprised and depressed that for a few weeks I foolishly believed we had hope
 
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