Coronavirus
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dsedy
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Speak for yourself. That is immoral and pretty much crimes against these kids. Bad enough they have to suffer in school with face diapers..now people like you and fauci and these other asshats are trying to force these vaxs THAT HAVE NO LONG TERM STUDIES FOR EFFICACY on kids.
Do you have kids under 12? Teenagers?
This is when shit gets real! I could care less what an adult does, but if you and your healthcare medical Stasi try to force this on my kid, there will be an uprising across this country the likes of which you have never seen.
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
Damn sure was about immunity
70 percent vaccinations to reach
Heard immunity
the words ring in
My ears
now your selling some other bullcrap
spin your tales walking
No one buying the bullshit
and if I hear the highly contagious delta variant one more time I’ll snap
Nothing more than spin and bull crap
Mira still just another covid spike
And the numbers will drop shortly
While we await the next spike
70 percent vaccinations to reach
Heard immunity
the words ring in
My ears
now your selling some other bullcrap
spin your tales walking
No one buying the bullshit
and if I hear the highly contagious delta variant one more time I’ll snap
Nothing more than spin and bull crap
Mira still just another covid spike
And the numbers will drop shortly
While we await the next spike
movetheboat
Well-Known Angler
Even Gilligan wouldn't fall for the crap the GQP anti-vaxxer grifters and batshit crazy fools are shilling!
Yeah but Gilligan screwed up everything he touched LOL
Even Gilligan wouldn't fall for the crap the GQP anti-vaxxer grifters and batshit crazy fools are shilling!
Cut and paste:
Delta variant.
Clearly much more contagious than prior variants, similar to chickenpox level. However it seems to be no less deadly then prior Covid variants. As the weather changes it will come north in higher numbers. Get protected and get vaccinated.
Vaccines.
All still incredibly protective against hospitalization and death. Protection against illness wanes with time but still provides good protection even after months. 90+% of Hospitalizations, ICU admits, deaths and patients on ventilators are unvaccinated. This is being seen in hundreds of hospitals with thousands of patients.
Vaccine side effects.
All the vaccines remain extremely safe. The vast majority of reactions are simple allergies that respond to Benadryl. There are a few rare cases on myocarditis (heart inflammation) in younger people getting the Moderna and Pfizer. The vast majority of those resolve within a day or 2 with Motrin. Among J&J recipients there are a handful of cases of blood clots with low platelets. Almost all of the cases were among adult women under the age of 50.
“I heard someone had xxxx after getting the vaccine. Isn’t that a side effect and why aren’t they reporting it.” We have never given a vaccine or any medication to hundreds of millions of people in a few months. Every regular health problem looks like it is related to the vaccine. That is why the CDC is monitoring for rare side effects that exceed the baseline rate in the US. Indeed we have successfully picked up a couple one in a million effects so you can rest easy that the system is working.
Long Term effects.
How about long term side effect? No vaccine has ever been shown to have a long term side effect that wasn’t picked up in the first few million doses. We have administered 364 million doses in the US. Worldwide Billions of doses have been administered. The first vaccine doses were administered in trials in March 2020. Full phase 3 trials started July 2020. So we are more than a year out and millions of doses in. Locally we have administered more than 100,000 doses of vaccine and have seen no side effect that could not be treated with Motrin or Benadryl.
Boosters.
A 3rd shot for Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna (and AstraZeneca) have been shown to boost antibody levels way up. Early data show the same for J & J. Clearly for high risk patients a booster is warranted. There is no data on mixing boosters from different vaccines but theoretically there should not be a significant difference.
Although Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna have a delta specific booster in the lab they have both stated that they do not need to change to that formula and the regular shot protects against delta well, especially with a booster. That may change in the future (or not)
Children.
Children still seem extremely unlikely to develop severe Covid19. Pediatric cases are definitely way up as cases rise but they are very likely to experience a mild case. As they remain the least vaccinated group they are most at risk for Covid while generally not winding up in hospitals or ICUs. Children get hospitalized 0.9% of the time and die in 0.01% of cases. Those numbers have not changed in months.
Vaccines for younger kids are coming. The data is submitted but the FDA seems to be focused on full approval and booster recommendations rather than assessing the pediatric data. A bit frustrating that they can’t do both at the same time.
Therapeutics.
Dexamethasone (a steroid) has been a game changer for severe hospitalized Covid patients and greatly reduced mortality in the most ill.
Remdisavir, an antiviral, has some effect too.
Oxygenation. Knowledge learned from experience with oxygenation and ventilation has also made a big difference.
Monoclonal antibodies from Regeneron and others have been shown to reduce the chance of hospitalization and death if given early (first few days) in the course of the disease. Do not wait. You should receive it if you are high risk (criteria recently expanded) even if you feel “fine.” If you are vaccinated and high risk yet get a breakthrough case I would still consider getting the antibody treatment. Talk to your doctor and remember if you are getting it time is important. Don’t “wait until I feel bad, or wait until Monday.”
Hydrochloroquine, Vitamins, Zinc etc. No benefits shown despite extensive research. Often we see things in the lab that don’t work in real life. For example people with low Vit D have been shown to have worse Covid outcomes. But every study testing vitamin D supplementation failed to show a Covid benefit. How can that be? Well is you consider that those with higher Vit D levels might be outdoors more and generally in better health they naturally would be less prone to severe Covid. So a healthy lifestyle both boosts vit D and protects against severe Covid. However other than the cost there is little downside to taking a multivitamin daily.
Pepcid (famotidine) small studies showing potential benefit but larger studies have not backed up the benefit. A large study from Northwell should be finished and data reported soon. Pepcid is a relatively benign drug that has been around a long time so low risk to take it. However I would have expected more positive studies if Pepcid was helpful vs Covid. So I have my doubts.
Fluvoxamine (Luvox), an SSRI similar to Prozac, Has been shown in preliminary studies to reduce the need for hospitalization. The mechanism is thought to be that Fluvoxamine blocks some of the runaway inflammation pathways that make covid severe. Confirmatory studies are forthcoming. Definitely something to keep an eye on.
Ivermectin. Small poorly done studies from 3rd world countries have show benefit vs Covid. Other studies do not show benefit. Although its been around a long time most physician have no experience dosing or watching for side effects. In addition this drug has potential severe side effects. I would not take or recommend Ivermectin for anyone except if enrolled in a well designed study.
Coming antivirals. A few companies are testing antiviral medications now. Hopefully they will be available soon and in pill form. Traditionally antiviral (as opposed to antibiotic) medications are not super powerful and often only work in the first few days of illness or as a prophylaxis.
Hope that answers some questions
Michael Ameres, MD
Delta variant.
Clearly much more contagious than prior variants, similar to chickenpox level. However it seems to be no less deadly then prior Covid variants. As the weather changes it will come north in higher numbers. Get protected and get vaccinated.
Vaccines.
All still incredibly protective against hospitalization and death. Protection against illness wanes with time but still provides good protection even after months. 90+% of Hospitalizations, ICU admits, deaths and patients on ventilators are unvaccinated. This is being seen in hundreds of hospitals with thousands of patients.
Vaccine side effects.
All the vaccines remain extremely safe. The vast majority of reactions are simple allergies that respond to Benadryl. There are a few rare cases on myocarditis (heart inflammation) in younger people getting the Moderna and Pfizer. The vast majority of those resolve within a day or 2 with Motrin. Among J&J recipients there are a handful of cases of blood clots with low platelets. Almost all of the cases were among adult women under the age of 50.
“I heard someone had xxxx after getting the vaccine. Isn’t that a side effect and why aren’t they reporting it.” We have never given a vaccine or any medication to hundreds of millions of people in a few months. Every regular health problem looks like it is related to the vaccine. That is why the CDC is monitoring for rare side effects that exceed the baseline rate in the US. Indeed we have successfully picked up a couple one in a million effects so you can rest easy that the system is working.
Long Term effects.
How about long term side effect? No vaccine has ever been shown to have a long term side effect that wasn’t picked up in the first few million doses. We have administered 364 million doses in the US. Worldwide Billions of doses have been administered. The first vaccine doses were administered in trials in March 2020. Full phase 3 trials started July 2020. So we are more than a year out and millions of doses in. Locally we have administered more than 100,000 doses of vaccine and have seen no side effect that could not be treated with Motrin or Benadryl.
Boosters.
A 3rd shot for Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna (and AstraZeneca) have been shown to boost antibody levels way up. Early data show the same for J & J. Clearly for high risk patients a booster is warranted. There is no data on mixing boosters from different vaccines but theoretically there should not be a significant difference.
Although Pfizer/Biontech and Moderna have a delta specific booster in the lab they have both stated that they do not need to change to that formula and the regular shot protects against delta well, especially with a booster. That may change in the future (or not)
Children.
Children still seem extremely unlikely to develop severe Covid19. Pediatric cases are definitely way up as cases rise but they are very likely to experience a mild case. As they remain the least vaccinated group they are most at risk for Covid while generally not winding up in hospitals or ICUs. Children get hospitalized 0.9% of the time and die in 0.01% of cases. Those numbers have not changed in months.
Vaccines for younger kids are coming. The data is submitted but the FDA seems to be focused on full approval and booster recommendations rather than assessing the pediatric data. A bit frustrating that they can’t do both at the same time.
Therapeutics.
Dexamethasone (a steroid) has been a game changer for severe hospitalized Covid patients and greatly reduced mortality in the most ill.
Remdisavir, an antiviral, has some effect too.
Oxygenation. Knowledge learned from experience with oxygenation and ventilation has also made a big difference.
Monoclonal antibodies from Regeneron and others have been shown to reduce the chance of hospitalization and death if given early (first few days) in the course of the disease. Do not wait. You should receive it if you are high risk (criteria recently expanded) even if you feel “fine.” If you are vaccinated and high risk yet get a breakthrough case I would still consider getting the antibody treatment. Talk to your doctor and remember if you are getting it time is important. Don’t “wait until I feel bad, or wait until Monday.”
Hydrochloroquine, Vitamins, Zinc etc. No benefits shown despite extensive research. Often we see things in the lab that don’t work in real life. For example people with low Vit D have been shown to have worse Covid outcomes. But every study testing vitamin D supplementation failed to show a Covid benefit. How can that be? Well is you consider that those with higher Vit D levels might be outdoors more and generally in better health they naturally would be less prone to severe Covid. So a healthy lifestyle both boosts vit D and protects against severe Covid. However other than the cost there is little downside to taking a multivitamin daily.
Pepcid (famotidine) small studies showing potential benefit but larger studies have not backed up the benefit. A large study from Northwell should be finished and data reported soon. Pepcid is a relatively benign drug that has been around a long time so low risk to take it. However I would have expected more positive studies if Pepcid was helpful vs Covid. So I have my doubts.
Fluvoxamine (Luvox), an SSRI similar to Prozac, Has been shown in preliminary studies to reduce the need for hospitalization. The mechanism is thought to be that Fluvoxamine blocks some of the runaway inflammation pathways that make covid severe. Confirmatory studies are forthcoming. Definitely something to keep an eye on.
Ivermectin. Small poorly done studies from 3rd world countries have show benefit vs Covid. Other studies do not show benefit. Although its been around a long time most physician have no experience dosing or watching for side effects. In addition this drug has potential severe side effects. I would not take or recommend Ivermectin for anyone except if enrolled in a well designed study.
Coming antivirals. A few companies are testing antiviral medications now. Hopefully they will be available soon and in pill form. Traditionally antiviral (as opposed to antibiotic) medications are not super powerful and often only work in the first few days of illness or as a prophylaxis.
Hope that answers some questions
Michael Ameres, MD
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OVERBORED
Well-Known Angler
Its been real for a while now browneye! OOps......didnt mean to stoop to name calling......
I guess reading comprehension isnt your strong suit. If the population doesnt get vaccinated, the under 12 group will be vulnerable. Never said kids should be vaccinated. Im weary of giving this vaccination to the under 12 but there might not be a better way to protect them.
But wearing a mask IS something they can do! Poor, Poor kids.........Have to wear a mask.....Such a sacrifice.
Every see a dying 12 year old? Something I wouldnt wish upon my worst enemy. Even worse is the regret that sinks in after but we all must live with our choices.
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OVERBORED
Well-Known Angler
As for the morbidly OBESE smoker who suddenly realized that he was killing himself, welcome!
What did it take for you to loose weight? Heart attack, diabetes? Nagging doctor?
Seen quite a few with your demographic die last spring..........I guess it will take another smack in the face from nature to convince you the vax will help you but I doubt it. You have it ALL figured out!
What did it take for you to loose weight? Heart attack, diabetes? Nagging doctor?
Seen quite a few with your demographic die last spring..........I guess it will take another smack in the face from nature to convince you the vax will help you but I doubt it. You have it ALL figured out!
Guess the IQ of Oklahoma is suffering an extreme drop...
Hear about the learning-challenged Oakies here: Horse dewormer selling out as COVID treatment despite FDA warning
Horse dewormer selling out in Oklahoma as COVID treatment despite FDA warning
Hear about the learning-challenged Oakies here: Horse dewormer selling out as COVID treatment despite FDA warning
dsedy
Well-Known Angler
I understand just fine. First it's "we must get vaxxed to protect the kids" , then it will be the "Vax the kids, its for their protection". Fearmongering at its' finest from the new "banksters", the medical Stasi.
OVERBORED
Well-Known Angler
I guess you missed the part where this is considered a FLUID situation. The medical community has had to adapt on the fly and is still doing so. In the spring 2020, it was rare to see anyone Covid cases under 40 in the ER. Now its commonplace.
Are we not supposed to be alarmed? Should we keep this information to ourselves?
There's no fear mongering. The numbers speak for themselves..............97% of all cases are in the unvaccinated.
Make your choice and live with it.
Are we not supposed to be alarmed? Should we keep this information to ourselves?
There's no fear mongering. The numbers speak for themselves..............97% of all cases are in the unvaccinated.
Make your choice and live with it.
wader
Well-Known Angler
Warnings About the Sturgis Rally Have Come Tragically True
Photo Illustration by The Daily Beast / Photos GettyIn western South Dakota’s Meade County, more than one in three COVID-19 tests are currently returning positive, and over the last three weeks, seven-day average case counts have increased by 3,400 percent. This exponential growth in cases is...
Rick67
Well-Known Angler
99.8% will live if infected, please stop with the mask BS. You and all pushing it have been wrong (Fauci said they don’t work). Fear monger tyrants comes to mind. Worry about yourself for a change. Sing kumbaya and hold hands with your pals or whatever your kind does but remember this,
“EVERYTHING WOKE TURNS TO SHIT!” Your mask is purely a Woke tool.
You peeps have lost it. 7-11 in Melville this morning. One guy at register, two guys standing 10 feet from first guy. I walk passed the two with diapers on “We’re waiting on line” I hear. Really? I told both then get by the fucking guy at the register. 1 of them paid for both and wouldn’t even take change. Fear is an understatement what you people are breeding.
New Delta variant has every Walk In backed up since it was mentioned but now by appointment only and are booked soon after they open.
Roccus said early on Will Not Go Away and will change yearly like the flu. This I believe so just like everything Woke People do. Let’s capitalize it in every way we can.
And stop worrying about Sturgis where DILLIGF is the answer you’ll get from anyone that goes. Worry about Lollapolooza and the Chimps birthday. They are Woke and GAF.
“EVERYTHING WOKE TURNS TO SHIT!” Your mask is purely a Woke tool.
You peeps have lost it. 7-11 in Melville this morning. One guy at register, two guys standing 10 feet from first guy. I walk passed the two with diapers on “We’re waiting on line” I hear. Really? I told both then get by the fucking guy at the register. 1 of them paid for both and wouldn’t even take change. Fear is an understatement what you people are breeding.
New Delta variant has every Walk In backed up since it was mentioned but now by appointment only and are booked soon after they open.
Roccus said early on Will Not Go Away and will change yearly like the flu. This I believe so just like everything Woke People do. Let’s capitalize it in every way we can.
And stop worrying about Sturgis where DILLIGF is the answer you’ll get from anyone that goes. Worry about Lollapolooza and the Chimps birthday. They are Woke and GAF.
If you're going to quote me, at least be accurate. Here's what I've said...
- The flu doesn't change every year, the strain that is most prevalent changes from year to year. Haven't been any additions to the list of seasonal flu strains in many years and each years flu vaccine is made up from a group of epidemiologists' best guess as to which strains will be prevalent in the next near, based on what the story was on the previous years. Unlike COVID, which has a highly conserved antigenic target for vaccines, seasonal flu doesn't have a bullseye for a vaccine.
- COVID WILL GO AWAY IF at least 90% of nation's population has been vaccinated, never believed the folks that said herd immunity kicked in at any number less than that. Immunity like puts out an epidemic.
Now you can interpolate that to "it ain't ever go here" because we have more than 10% of the population that refuse to get vaccinated because of faulty neuronal synapses. If the infections continue in a country there will be new variants at a predictable rate since a virus has a significant mutation every X thousands of generations.
Delta has shown us its ability to re-infect vaccinated folks, along with folks who have had, and resolved, previous COVID infections. When one of these uglies rears its head, there may be more boosters down the road, as well as boosters to ensure that one maintains a potent level of antibodies, just like that DPT (Diptheria, Pertussis & Tetanus) each of us gets every 10 years, or earlier because some of us are constantly putting hooks into our hands...
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
I got a tetanus shot once when I was 12 since then I’ve put all manner of sharp rusty metal objects thru my skin
that one at 12 hurt like hell never did another
I’m also not a huge fan of stitch’s or hospitals so if electrical tape won’t stop the bleeding I’m in trouble
So far I’ve managed with the tape and no shot
that one at 12 hurt like hell never did another
I’m also not a huge fan of stitch’s or hospitals so if electrical tape won’t stop the bleeding I’m in trouble
So far I’ve managed with the tape and no shot
TonySmjc
Well-Known Angler
Classic
I need to take a few guys out to dinner
So I start calling around to ask
Who’s going to break my balls about masks or showing dumb ass index card
behold , of the places I called the answer was a resounding nope no way
Not doing it
No card or ny nazi pass will be required
I need to take a few guys out to dinner
So I start calling around to ask
Who’s going to break my balls about masks or showing dumb ass index card
behold , of the places I called the answer was a resounding nope no way
Not doing it
No card or ny nazi pass will be required
JackPrintMD
Well-Known Angler
OVERBORED
Well-Known Angler
So what is FEAR MONGERING?
Wear a condom - It prevents the spread of STDs and HIV. Is that fear mongering?
Wear a helmet - It prevents serious head injury or death. Is that fear mongering?
Wear a seat belt - It may be the difference between life and death in a serious accident. Is that fear mongering?
Dont smoke - Smoking can kill you. Is that fear mongering?
Asking someone to wear a mask is sound advice.
TELLING SOMEONE "IM NOT GETTING VACCINATED BECAUSE OF WHAT IT "MIGHT" DO TO ME DOWN THE ROAD" IS FEAR MONGERING!
Come to the ICU for a day and experience what it is like to be dying with no family around. Having overworked strangers making medical decisions for you. Its lonely and scary.
IT IS ALSO AVOIDABLE!!!!!!
Wear a condom - It prevents the spread of STDs and HIV. Is that fear mongering?
Wear a helmet - It prevents serious head injury or death. Is that fear mongering?
Wear a seat belt - It may be the difference between life and death in a serious accident. Is that fear mongering?
Dont smoke - Smoking can kill you. Is that fear mongering?
Asking someone to wear a mask is sound advice.
TELLING SOMEONE "IM NOT GETTING VACCINATED BECAUSE OF WHAT IT "MIGHT" DO TO ME DOWN THE ROAD" IS FEAR MONGERING!
Come to the ICU for a day and experience what it is like to be dying with no family around. Having overworked strangers making medical decisions for you. Its lonely and scary.
IT IS ALSO AVOIDABLE!!!!!!
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