Do they think we're idiots!

[cany]

Thanks General. We're good ?

Ok if you change your mind send me the code and BOOM hes gone

 

[Tigashrk]

Look at that porpoise, it’s obvious by looking at the picture it was in its prime. Some people don’t see past the rails on a paid for hire boat. There’s no reason that fish should be washing up on a beach in NJ. The older I get the more I’ve come to realize there is no coincidence. I can only imagine the amount of sea life we are not seeing that’s dying, what a shame. Must be global warming ?

 

[BoatGuy]

I read or heard somewhere that autopsy showed some of these animals are full of plastic.

 

[hartattack]

8 dolphins beached themselves at Sea Isle City today. All 8 have died. Witness said they were frantic swimming back and forth, then went over the bar directly into the beach ! Survey was taking place just offshore for the OSW project.

8 dolphins dead after washing ashore in Sea Isle City

Kerri Corrado reports.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[george]

8 dolphins beached themselves at Sea Isle City today. All 8 have died. Witness said they were frantic swimming back and forth, then went over the bar directly into the beach ! Survey was taking place just offshore for the OSW project.

8 dolphins dead after washing ashore in Sea Isle City

Kerri Corrado reports.

www.cbsnews.com

It's hard to accept that this is OK in any form. Is this normal? Have we EVER seen this before? As anglers, we know all too well what it's like to be treated as second-class citizens. But this, the approved killing of thousands of dolphins and whales, the commercialization of our once beautiful coastline, is by far the most devastating we've ever seen. The fact that this train cannot be stopped is both frustrating and saddening at the same time.

Our once beautiful coast will soon be a thing of the past. There is no sugarcoating it; nothing will be the same.

I have little doubt that this will be considered one of the worst environmental decisions our blind and money-hungry politicians have given us. In the meantime, we continue to witness the massacre of these magnificent creatures in numbers we have never seen. Very sad.

 

[OVERBORED]

It's ironic how today's mammals are being sacrificed for tomorrow's "green" energy.
If these projects were scrutinized as much as every fossil fuel project was, they would never leave the planning phase.
Feels like we're jumping in to the shallow end of the pool head first.

 

[george]

Distressed Whale spotted near offshore wind survey vessel – Jim Lovgren​

Monday morning, March 20 th , Bill Lovgren, the owner and Captain of the 72 foot trawler, Holdfast, left the Fisherman’s Dock Co-op shortly after 9 am for an offshore trip targeting Black Sea Bass and Summer Flounder with his two crewmen, James Lovgren, and Paul Kuchinski. Between them they have over seventy-five years of fishing experience from the port. This particular trip was unusual because the vessels fishing offshore generally leave port sometimes during the night due to having a 60- mile distance to travel to get to the grounds by daylight. Bill had to delay his departure Sunday night due to concerns of an oil leak in his generator. First thing Monday morning with the assurance from his mechanic that it wasn’t a critical problem, they threw off the lines and headed offshore.

The eight-to-nine-hour trip to the fishing grounds near the Hudson Canyon would involve each fisherman taking a wheel watch, while the other two tried to sleep. As Captain, Bill gets to decide who takes which watch, and he decided to take the first watch, which being closest to shore, involves keeping a close eye out for vessel traffic, since they traverse through multiple shipping lanes with heavy traffic, including tankers, freighters, and tugs with barges. Towards the end of his watch, around 11:30 a.m., his eye caught splashing on the surface of the water over a mile away, a little north of his course, so he steered closer to get a better view. As the Holdfast got nearer he could see that it was a Whale desperately thrashing about on the surface, slapping its tail, and even rolling over at one point. It seemed to him that the whale had surfaced and couldn’t submerge itself, like it was trying to get out of the water. As he drew closer he took video of the hapless mammal as it frantically swam south, knowing that the Whale was probably fleeing from the noise being created by the offshore wind research vessel, the Go Discovery, who was less than two miles away from them.
Siting Whales is a fairly common occurrence for commercial vessels, but it still draws fishermen to watch these majestic animals as they go about their peaceful existence. This time of the year, thousands of Whales and Dolphins are migrating to northern grounds for the summer, and the Holdfast
On the offshore fishing grounds, dozens of commercial fishing boats were out taking advantage of a welcome break in the winters bad weather, with most of the boats around the Hudson Canyon area seeking, Summer Flounder, Scup, and Black Sea Bass. The surface of the water was teeming with Dolphins, many of which charge the boats when they haul their gear back to get an easy meal. Pilot Whales are especially abundant this time of year, and have been observed changing direction and swimming towards commercial boats the minute they hear the boat slow down and put their power take-off in gear. The change in the sound from the engine, and the PTO is like ringing the dinner bell to pilot whales who sometimes come right up to the boat as the cod end is being brought on board and stick their heads out of the water to observe the boat and crew, while looking for any fish that slip through the nets mesh. Crewman James Lovgren noted that many times this trip they had over fifty dolphins swimming near the boat during haul-backs. Less then fifteen miles from the Hudson grounds, the research vessel Go Explorer was busy surveying in the Texas Tower area where they had been working recently. Few vessels bother trying to fish near them as according to Captain Lovgren, you can’t catch a fish within four miles of these vessels when they are working, the noise scares them away.
The observation of the Whale by the Holdfast is uncommon in that most commercial vessels working offshore do their traversing during the night, as that is when fishing is slowest, so they cannot see any surface activity unless there is a bright moon in the sky. The actions of the Whale, believed to be a Humpback, fit into what the government would call Level two harassment, which includes noticeable reactions by the animal, that may lead to serious injury, but not death. That would be Level One harassment. The Whales behavior is a not a feeding pattern or style, Humpback Whales eat only during the four months when they are feasting in the cold article waters during the summer time. The rest of the year they live on their fat reserves which they count on to allow them to migrate thousands of miles using those fat reserves. Forced changes in the migratory path of whales results in a loss of essential fat reserves, and are known to cause miscarriages, starvation, and loss of young calves.
The slapping of the Whales Tail is a loud warning to other whales of danger and can be heard underwater for miles. The day after the video was taken, eight Dolphins beached themselves at Sea Isle New Jersey, and died or were euthanized. A number of offshore wind vessels were surveying within twenty miles of the shore adjacent to the stranding area. The government and its apologists have adamantly denied any connections of the wind survey work with the recent spate of marine mammal strandings, they are now going to try to blame the deaths on avian bird flu. Maybe Anthony Fauci can help them with their propaganda campaign.

 

[OVERBORED]

Wind companies will never admit culpability as it would jeopardize future projects.
The government will never admit culpability because they finally found a way to lease the ocean and aren't about to lose that revenue stream.

"There is no force more potent in the modern world than stupidity fueled by greed "

 

[movetheboat]

The government and its apologists have adamantly denied any connections of the wind survey work with the recent spate of marine mammal strandings, they are now going to try to blame the deaths on avian bird flu. Maybe Anthony Fauci can help them with their propaganda campaign.
HE was doing all right until he revealed himself
since they traverse through multiple shipping lanes with heavy traffic, including tankers, freighters, and tugs with barges.

No chance though that this was distressing the whale or it could have been hit? NAH!

 

[Roccus7]

Give me a ping, Vasily. One ping only.

 

[pequa1]

Give me a ping, Vasily. One ping only.

Another from Mr. Connery, and almost appropriate: "It is the wind that passes but the sea remains...."

 

[george]

The government and its apologists have adamantly denied any connections of the wind survey work with the recent spate of marine mammal strandings, they are now going to try to blame the deaths on avian bird flu. Maybe Anthony Fauci can help them with their propaganda campaign.
HE was doing all right until he revealed himself
since they traverse through multiple shipping lanes with heavy traffic, including tankers, freighters, and tugs with barges.

No chance though that this was distressing the whale or it could have been hit? NAH!

I'm trusting the 3rd generation commercial fisherman. He's spent many days on the high seas and knows more than most when it comes to pour oceans.

 

[movetheboat]

I'm trusting the 3rd generation commercial fisherman. He's spent many days on the high seas and knows more than most when it comes to pour oceans.

It goes without saying that a commercial trawler will do anything to remove "obstacles" interfering with his fishing no? In aspects concerning commercial fishing, I would trust him also. In the matter of him being able to provide proof of the strandings....not so much. The guy spots a whale flapping its tail and says it is warning other whales about the wind mills? Then he throws in Fauci and government cover ups and well there goes credibility right out the window for me anyway. I'll bet with the weather warming and boat traffic building we may see more deaths and the Captain already stated he is traversing high traffic shipping lanes, and now we will have more commercials and sportys out there. This is what I believe and I am not being contrary for the sake of it. If the whales are indeed the concern we are not doing them any service by jumping to unproven conclusions.

PING!!!

 

[george]

It goes without saying that a commercial trawler will do anything to remove "obstacles" interfering with his fishing no? In aspects concerning commercial fishing, I would trust him also. In the matter of him being able to provide proof of the strandings....not so much. The guy spots a whale flapping its tail and says it is warning other whales about the wind mills? Then he throws in Fauci and government cover ups and well there goes credibility right out the window for me anyway. I'll bet with the weather warming and boat traffic building we may see more deaths and the Captain already stated he is traversing high traffic shipping lanes, and now we will have more commercials and sportys out there. This is what I believe and I am not being contrary for the sake of it. If the whales are indeed the concern we are not doing them any service by jumping to unproven conclusions.

PING!!!

I get it. You believe this is a natural occurrence. Great. No need to keep pointing it out. That's what you believe.

 

[movetheboat]

I get it. You believe this is a natural occurrence. Great. No need to keep pointing it out. That's what you believe.

What I believe is that we don't have enough proof or evidence on this. There is nothing natural about it. If this topic was started to point out one thing with no debate or other opinions allowed than I apologize, I misunderstood and thought it was about the whales. Me thinks there is an under current of something else going on around this.

 

[OVERBORED]

What I believe is that we don't have enough proof or evidence on this. There is nothing natural about it. If this topic was started to point out one thing with no debate or other opinions allowed than I apologize, I misunderstood and thought it was about the whales. Me thinks there is an under current of something else going on around this.

It's quite obvious that your position is partly to mostly based on an assumed bias and not necessarily what's in front of you.

There is no disputing that marine mammals along the East Coast are behaving and dying in an unnatural manner. What's in front of me is WHAT ARE WE DOING ABOUT IT?

If there's not enough proof or evidence, why is there a status quo within the windmill, shipping and science communities? Shouldn't there be some level of concern and investigative collaboration with the aforementioned entities?

 

[MakoMatt]

There is a lot of misinformation circulating around the internet concerning the cause of death to marine mammals, and the windmill projects.
Following are some common misconceptions that are being spread.

• • Misconception 1: The SONAR used for the survey work could injure whales.

Gotham Whale bases all opinions on science. To date, there have been no published scientific studies that show that baleen whales become injured by the sonar equipment used by survey vessels. Survey work is conducted off NY and NJ constantly for many different industries (not just offshore wind). We have never seen the unprecedented increase in strandings as we have this winter. It is known that some types of sonar will cause minor changes in behavior such as stopping feeding and traveling out of the area. Therefore, the permitting process for any survey work requires independent observers onboard, and survey companies MUST shut down the sonar when there are whales around. This is required in their permitting, and if they don’t do this, they are subject to significant fines for violating the Marine Mammal Protection Act. One would expect that these companies would want to strictly follow the rules, since they are now currently in the public eye, in light of the recent increase in strandings.

1. • Misconception 2: The SONAR could interfere with the whale’s echolocation, disrupt the navigation abilities of the whales and make them prone to ship strike.

The majority of whales recently washed ashore are baleen whales that DO NOT USE echolocation for navigation or communication. It is only toothed whales that have this capacity. Again, similar to above, there have been no published scientific studies that show that the type of sonar being used by survey vessels around the world could affect baleen whales’ navigation ability.

Gotham Whale has contacted OSW representatives directly and asked for assurance that their operations are not harmful to the whales. Asked, “How can we be sure you are conducting these activities safely for the whales?” The answer was, “Because it is the LAW.”

Remember, the permitting process is a rigorous proposal that the developers must outline their methods and practices for review by stakeholders. There is public review and comment periods to ensure concerns are met. If they violate the conditions of the permit, they are subject to fines and penalties under the Law. Gotham Whale accepts that the operators are complying with their permits, unless we are given evidence otherwise.

• Misconception 3: Whales would be able to avoid vessels if they were not disoriented by SONAR. Dolphins play in bow wake and are therefore safe from vessel collision.

Research indicates that speed is a major factor in the likelihood and severity of ship strike. While size is a factor, even small vessels and jet skis can cause injury or mortality for wildlife. Additionally, approaching ships may be difficult for a whale to detect because the sound of a large vessel’s engine can be blocked by the hull. This is called the “bow null effect”.

Dolphins are often observed surfing in the wake from a vessel’s bow. This does not mean they are never hit by vessels. NOAA’s viewing marine life guidelines specifically warn against intentionally trying to to initiate bow riding. If marine mammals do initiate, it’s important to avoid sudden changes in speed or direction

• Misconception 4: Offshore wind companies are currently allowed to “take” and therefore kill marine mammals.

A “take” does not have to mean kill. NOAA also defines any type of behavioral change as a “take.” This means that if a whale is in the area and it decides to stop feeding and come over to check out your boat, that would be considered as a “take.” Therefore, conducting ANY type of construction or research activity that could cause whales to change their behavior requires a “take” authorization. There is a type of “take” authorization that does include potential serious injury or mortality to whales, but to date these have NOT been issued to any company for offshore wind surveys. This means that if their activities do cause any serious injury or mortality, they are subject to fines and other consequences. The type of “take” MUST be specified in the permit application. The active permit applications for current surveys are publicly available and clearly state that the authorizations requested are non-lethal. Additionally, in these permit applications, you will also see the extensive mitigation measures that are required of any company conducting surveys, including a complete stop to any survey activities when there are whales in the area.

• Misconception 5: Offshore wind companies are “paying” off scientists and other organizations.

Offshore wind companies are REQUIRED by the government to contribute money to marine mammal, bird, bat, fish, etc. research to monitor and mitigate the impacts from offshore wind. It is not necessarily because they want to. It is because they have no choice. Gotham Whale feels that these companies absolutely should be funding research activities, since they will ultimately be affecting the marine environment in some way. The offshore wind industry has millions of dollars to spend, so it should be put to good use.

It is not my intent to show support or otherwise for the windmills, but rather to bring some intelligent reasoning to the subject by way of science.
You can visit gothamwhale.org for additional information.Gotham Whale

 

[OVERBORED]

Sponsored by Con Edison.......wait..... aren't they in the electricity business?

 

[OVERBORED]

"Sonar sounds have been linked to hearing loss, deadly mass strandings and interference with whales' communication with each other. One of the studies found that the distance the whales were from sonar sounds didn't matter — they generally fled whether they were close to or far from it."

Impacts of Navy sonar on whales and Dolphins

 

[george]

There is a lot of misinformation circulating around the internet concerning the cause of death to marine mammals, and the windmill projects.
Following are some common misconceptions that are being spread.

• • Misconception 1: The SONAR used for the survey work could injure whales.

Gotham Whale bases all opinions on science. To date, there have been no published scientific studies that show that baleen whales become injured by the sonar equipment used by survey vessels. Survey work is conducted off NY and NJ constantly for many different industries (not just offshore wind). We have never seen the unprecedented increase in strandings as we have this winter. It is known that some types of sonar will cause minor changes in behavior such as stopping feeding and traveling out of the area. Therefore, the permitting process for any survey work requires independent observers onboard, and survey companies MUST shut down the sonar when there are whales around. This is required in their permitting, and if they don’t do this, they are subject to significant fines for violating the Marine Mammal Protection Act. One would expect that these companies would want to strictly follow the rules, since they are now currently in the public eye, in light of the recent increase in strandings.

1. • Misconception 2: The SONAR could interfere with the whale’s echolocation, disrupt the navigation abilities of the whales and make them prone to ship strike.

The majority of whales recently washed ashore are baleen whales that DO NOT USE echolocation for navigation or communication. It is only toothed whales that have this capacity. Again, similar to above, there have been no published scientific studies that show that the type of sonar being used by survey vessels around the world could affect baleen whales’ navigation ability.

Gotham Whale has contacted OSW representatives directly and asked for assurance that their operations are not harmful to the whales. Asked, “How can we be sure you are conducting these activities safely for the whales?” The answer was, “Because it is the LAW.”

Remember, the permitting process is a rigorous proposal that the developers must outline their methods and practices for review by stakeholders. There is public review and comment periods to ensure concerns are met. If they violate the conditions of the permit, they are subject to fines and penalties under the Law. Gotham Whale accepts that the operators are complying with their permits, unless we are given evidence otherwise.

• Misconception 3: Whales would be able to avoid vessels if they were not disoriented by SONAR. Dolphins play in bow wake and are therefore safe from vessel collision.

Research indicates that speed is a major factor in the likelihood and severity of ship strike. While size is a factor, even small vessels and jet skis can cause injury or mortality for wildlife. Additionally, approaching ships may be difficult for a whale to detect because the sound of a large vessel’s engine can be blocked by the hull. This is called the “bow null effect”.

Dolphins are often observed surfing in the wake from a vessel’s bow. This does not mean they are never hit by vessels. NOAA’s viewing marine life guidelines specifically warn against intentionally trying to to initiate bow riding. If marine mammals do initiate, it’s important to avoid sudden changes in speed or direction

• Misconception 4: Offshore wind companies are currently allowed to “take” and therefore kill marine mammals.

A “take” does not have to mean kill. NOAA also defines any type of behavioral change as a “take.” This means that if a whale is in the area and it decides to stop feeding and come over to check out your boat, that would be considered as a “take.” Therefore, conducting ANY type of construction or research activity that could cause whales to change their behavior requires a “take” authorization. There is a type of “take” authorization that does include potential serious injury or mortality to whales, but to date these have NOT been issued to any company for offshore wind surveys. This means that if their activities do cause any serious injury or mortality, they are subject to fines and other consequences. The type of “take” MUST be specified in the permit application. The active permit applications for current surveys are publicly available and clearly state that the authorizations requested are non-lethal. Additionally, in these permit applications, you will also see the extensive mitigation measures that are required of any company conducting surveys, including a complete stop to any survey activities when there are whales in the area.

• Misconception 5: Offshore wind companies are “paying” off scientists and other organizations.

Offshore wind companies are REQUIRED by the government to contribute money to marine mammal, bird, bat, fish, etc. research to monitor and mitigate the impacts from offshore wind. It is not necessarily because they want to. It is because they have no choice. Gotham Whale feels that these companies absolutely should be funding research activities, since they will ultimately be affecting the marine environment in some way. The offshore wind industry has millions of dollars to spend, so it should be put to good use.

It is not my intent to show support or otherwise for the windmills, but rather to bring some intelligent reasoning to the subject by way of science.
You can visit gothamwhale.org for additional information.Gotham Whale

Sorry my good friend, but there are 1000's of these produced by Chatgpt to change the narrative.

I'll keep going back to the fact that the govt has approved the killing of these whales. That is a FACT, not spin. Now as the govt predicted, whales are dying.

For the life of me, I just don't understand anyone not getting that.