Do they think we're idiots!

[OVERBORED]

So if the right whale disappeared, would the ecosystem suddenly collapse?

Are we protecting species that otherwise would not be seen or noticed by anyone?

Whales, seals and sharks have all been protected, have all propogated and thrown the ecosystem out of balance.

Sometimes a species disappears to make room for a more adaptive, stronger one.

 

[Avenger]

I don't know that the sharks are doing that well, but the seals have certainly made out.

I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of environmentalists. When they want windmills to save the universe it's whales be damned. Then when we want to readjust the rules because we never get it quite right, suddenly the whales are important again.

 

[george]

Soooooo,

NOW they're concerned about whales....

Republicans try to weaken 50-year-old law protecting whales, seals and polar bears

One of the U.S.’s longest standing pieces of environmental legislation, credited with helping save rare whales from extinction, is the subject of an effort for cutbacks from Republican lawmakers who now feel they have the political will to do so.

apnews.com

You can't make this stuff up.

 

[pequa1]

Whale deaths plunge off New Jersey and New York after years of alarming strandings some say linked to offshore wind

ATLANTIC CITY, N.J. – After several years of mounting concern over dead whales and dolphins washing ashore, the number of strandings along the New Jersey and

www.shorenewsnetwork.com

 

[Avenger]

I know correlation does not equal causation, but that's some mighty close correlation.

 

[pequa1]

I haven't been following the whole procedure that closely but are the pilings for the platforms off of Long Beach (NY) pounded in already ? If not, more dead marine mammals ? (and I put the question mark there quite srarcastically.)

 

[Avenger]

Looks to me like the bases are in. At least the first group.

We'll probably see a bunch more dead wildlife when the start on the next group. But, you know, there'll be no evidence that's actually the cause.

 

[pequa1]

Looks to me like the bases are in. At least the first group.

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We'll probably see a bunch more dead wildlife when the start on the next group. But, you know, there'll be no evidence that's actually the cause.

Huh. I only surfcast Tobay beach and they simply aren't (or weren't) visible on the few days this fall that I fruitlessly tried for a striper. Was that photo taken from a boat ? Is that array aligned parallel with Lawnguyland or angled diagonally ?

 

[OVERBORED]

Probably more about the sonar equipment used in the surveys. Only the company knows and they did a great job covering their tracks.

 

[pequa1]

Money talks

 

[Avenger]

Huh. I only surfcast Tobay beach and they simply aren't (or weren't) visible on the few days this fall that I fruitlessly tried for a striper. Was that photo taken from a boat ? Is that array aligned parallel with Lawnguyland or angled diagonally ?

My observation includes the fact that you're probably not kayaking offshore.

They're building the bases a few miles out, and they roughly parallel the south shore.

They also claim these monstrosities will not be visible from the beach, which they may not, but they're still a blight on the landscape.

And nobody who is accountable will acknowledge accountability.

 

[Roccus7]

On again, off again, but NY is now Off Again...

Trump Halts Five Wind Farms Off the East Coast​

The Interior Department said the projects posed national security risks, without providing details. The decision imperils billions of dollars of investments.

The five projects are Vineyard Wind 1 off Massachusetts, Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind off Virginia, Sunrise Wind and Empire Wind off New York, and Revolution Wind off Rhode Island and Connecticut. The leases had been awarded and the projects vetted by the Biden administration.

 

[Roccus7]

As Emily LaTella would say, NEVERMIND!!!

Judge Hands Trump a Fifth Loss in His Effort to Halt Offshore Wind Projects​

The court ruled that construction can restart on a wind farm off the coast of New York State. The Trump administration had ordered work to stop in December.

A staging area for Orsted’s Sunrise Wind project at the Port of Coeymans south of Albany, N.Y., in 2024.Credit...Angus Mordant for The New York Times

A federal judge on Monday struck down the Interior Department’s order to halt work on a multibillion-dollar wind farm off the coast of New York State, the fifth time the courts have ruled against the Trump administration’s efforts to throttle the country’s offshore wind industry. The administration is now 0-5 in its effort to stop wind farms under construction along the East Coast.

Judge Royce Lamberth of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia issued a preliminary injunction that would allow the developer of the New York project, known as Sunrise Wind, to restart construction while the broader legal battle unfolds.

In December, the Interior Department ordered all work to halt on Sunrise Wind and four other wind farms off the East Coast. To justify the sweeping move, officials cited a classified report by the Defense Department that they said found the projects to be a national security threat.

But Judge Lamberth, who was nominated to the bench by President Ronald Reagan, said he was unpersuaded by the government’s claims about national security after reviewing the classified report under seal. He said the actions of the Interior Department’s Bureau of Ocean Energy Management had caused “irreparable harm” to the developer of Sunrise Wind.

“Purportedly new classified information does not constitute a sufficient explanation for the bureau’s decision to entirely stop work on the Sunrise Wind project,” Judge Lamberth said while ruling from the bench after a two-hour court hearing.

Upon learning of the ruling, many energy executives had a feeling of déjà vu. It was the fifth time in the past three weeks that a federal judge had rebuked the Trump administration’s crusade against the five wind farms under construction in federal waters along the East Coast.

The previous four rulings allowed work to continue on Revolution Wind off Rhode Island, Empire Wind off New York, Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind off Virginia and Vineyard Wind off Massachusetts. Judge Lamberth also presided over the case brought by Revolution Wind.

 

[captmike28]

As Emily LaTella would say, NEVERMIND!!!

Judge Hands Trump a Fifth Loss in His Effort to Halt Offshore Wind Projects​

The court ruled that construction can restart on a wind farm off the coast of New York State. The Trump administration had ordered work to stop in December.

A staging area for Orsted’s Sunrise Wind project at the Port of Coeymans south of Albany, N.Y., in 2024.Credit...Angus Mordant for The New York Times

A federal judge on Monday struck down the Interior Department’s order to halt work on a multibillion-dollar wind farm off the coast of New York State, the fifth time the courts have ruled against the Trump administration’s efforts to throttle the country’s offshore wind industry. The administration is now 0-5 in its effort to stop wind farms under construction along the East Coast.

Judge Royce Lamberth of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia issued a preliminary injunction that would allow the developer of the New York project, known as Sunrise Wind, to restart construction while the broader legal battle unfolds.

In December, the Interior Department ordered all work to halt on Sunrise Wind and four other wind farms off the East Coast. To justify the sweeping move, officials cited a classified report by the Defense Department that they said found the projects to be a national security threat.

But Judge Lamberth, who was nominated to the bench by President Ronald Reagan, said he was unpersuaded by the government’s claims about national security after reviewing the classified report under seal. He said the actions of the Interior Department’s Bureau of Ocean Energy Management had caused “irreparable harm” to the developer of Sunrise Wind.

“Purportedly new classified information does not constitute a sufficient explanation for the bureau’s decision to entirely stop work on the Sunrise Wind project,” Judge Lamberth said while ruling from the bench after a two-hour court hearing.

Upon learning of the ruling, many energy executives had a feeling of déjà vu. It was the fifth time in the past three weeks that a federal judge had rebuked the Trump administration’s crusade against the five wind farms under construction in federal waters along the East Coast.

The previous four rulings allowed work to continue on Revolution Wind off Rhode Island, Empire Wind off New York, Coastal Virginia Offshore Wind off Virginia and Vineyard Wind off Massachusetts. Judge Lamberth also presided over the case brought by Revolution Wind.

Based upon personal observation I don't think they ever stopped construction on any of the wind projects where I fish.

On my fall charters, I am often Tog fishing the waters on the west side of Fishers I, just south of New London. Later in December I make some trips with Lep on his boat south and west of Jones Inlet.
In both locations I never saw any halt in the constant work boat traffic going back and forth from the windmills.

IMHO, its' all a lot of "maya". We are getting these monstrosities regardless of our wishes. Whether we or not they are actually ecologically, environmentally, or economically feasible it's a done deal. 

 

[OVERBORED]

Based upon personal observation I don't think they ever stopped construction on any of the wind projects where I fish.

On my fall charters, I am often Tog fishing the waters on the west side of Fishers I, just south of New London. Later in December I make some trips with Lep on his boat south and west of Jones Inlet.
In both locations I never saw any halt in the constant work boat traffic going back and forth from the windmills.

IMHO, its' all a lot of "maya". We are getting these monstrosities regardless of our wishes. Whether we or not they are actually ecologically, environmentally, or economically feasible it's a done deal. 

Sorry to hear that Mike. Like everything these days, it's all about politics. What's good for the citizens of this country and the future of our oceans doesn't factor in any more.

 

[hawk375]

well said overboard

 

[george]

What's good for the citizens of this country and the future of our oceans doesn't factor in any more.

So true.