Electric flares

BoatGuy

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I did a search on flare , electronic flare and battery flare . Nothing came up.
Has anyone purchased the new battery flairs? I guess I'm sick of buying new flair when the ones I have expire. They are expensive. But return on investment is 3 years.

Any thoughts? Where to buy to save $$

Amazon has Sirius Signal and Weems & Plath. Right now, with everything shutdown, mail-order may be the way to go. Both are the same price. Anyone use either or?

Thanks!

Sorry for misspelled title.
 
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Amazon ? Buddy bought it. I never know if I am going to sell the damn thing and just stick to kayaking so I have resisted the urge. Besides, I do not like having too many battery operated things aboard.
 
While I have set up old ones to know how to use them. Electric seem simpler. Plus in case of an accident, starting a flare if there is fuel around doesn't seem safe.
 
I only use the shotgun style hand gun. figure its self defense for the boatjackers as well, lol. I carry all the old allegedly expired handheld and 12 gauge as well.
 
I did a search on flare , electronic flare and battery flare . Nothing came up.
Has anyone purchased the new battery flairs? I guess I'm sick of buying new flair when the ones I have expire. They are expensive. But return on investment is 3 years.

Any thoughts? Where to buy to save $$

Amazon has Sirius Signal and Weems & Plath. Right now, with everything shutdown, mail-order may be the way to go. Both are the same price. Anyone use either or?

Thanks!

Sorry for misspelled title.

I have it, BUT it's only OKed for NIGHT USE. You still need those extra fire pit lighters, what I do with my expired hand flares, for daytime. Our local fire depts won't take the expired ones any more...
 
The SOS light that replaces flares is USCG approved. The good thing about the SOS light is no expiration dates to worry about. The SOS light comes with an orange distress flag inside the box. The package also includes a letter from the USCG saying the SOS light is approved to replace flares. In case you are stopped and inspected for safety gear and the LEO is not aware of the change.
I am an instructor for the NY State safe boating program. I teach both flares and the new SOS light. I have the new light and would never go back to flares.. The lights really take a beating and always work as long as the batteries are fresh.
 
Forgot about the flag, but honestly I'd go with flares during daylight over that, unless you have the wherewithal to get it hoisted up high. Yes, it gets you to pass an inspection, but I'd rather have my safety equipment be useful in an emergency.

On the other hand, there's no shame in using the flag for the inspection, but keeping those "expired" but working flares on board for use. I know someone that does that...;););)
 
For daytime you really want the smoke sticks. A flare in bright daylight has very little visibility. A flag may work okay on the bay if you're not sinking, but if you need to get attention on the ocean it's pretty limited.

The expired flares,... well yes, but... They don't really last that long. That's why the CG requires replacement after 41 months.

About a year ago I finally found a way to dispose of the decades worth of old flares I had accumulated. We were up in the mountains and shot off the entire inventory to ring in the New Year. Some of it dated to the 1980s. The results were that anything more than double the expiration date was sketchy. Lots of short launches, quick burn-outs, launches that didn't ignite or were really dim and flat-out duds to make you think twice about trusting your life to expired flares.

My opinion based on that experience is when you get a fresh set put the old set in a container marked "Expired Flares" (the CG seems to be okay with keeping expired flares as long as they aren't mixed in with the current ones) and take them off the boat when the next set gets replaced.

When you buy new ones be sure to check the dates. I just got some at Worst Marine, but made them order fresh ones. Everything in the store had a 2022 expiration date. They're too expensive to only get half the life expectancy out of them. Also, those 12ga ones with the long cartridge really work well. They went much higher than the old short cartridge ones and the 25MMs.
 
Personally, I believe the safety of yourself, family, crew, etc. is one area where one should never cut corners. I do carry the required aerial flares, both current and expired, plus the WEEMS & Plath electronic SOS flare. However, it is also important to realize there different grades of flares on the market.

Sure, the basic level aerial flares will meet CG requirements for burn time and distance visible. But the next step up are what are known as SOLAS grade flares (Safety Of Life At Sea). These flares are considerably brighter and with longer burn time than your basic level flare.

I recall a very vivid demonstration I observed decades ago while completing my CG training. We went outside at night and the instructor shot off one of each style flare and the difference was shocking. His suggestion to our class was when the "S" hits the fan do you want to be standing on deck "flicking your Bic"!!

As a result of that demonstration I immediately added 3 SOLAS grade flares to my other complement of safety/signaling gear.
 
The concern with the flares is they dripping of flares when ignited, The drips can cause a fire if not held over the side properly to drip into the water. The flares do work well. The user has to understand the risk when igniting one.
 
Forgot about the flag, but honestly I'd go with flares during daylight over that, unless you have the wherewithal to get it hoisted up high. Yes, it gets you to pass an inspection, but I'd rather have my safety equipment be useful in an emergency.

On the other hand, there's no shame in using the flag for the inspection, but keeping those "expired" but working flares on board for use. I know someone that does that...;););)

You can keep expired flares on board as long as their kept seprate and plainly marked for "safety drills only" And you have up to date flares aboard. Anything else expired on board is illegal. Rafts etc. Even immersion suits although don't have expiration dates have to be in good working order and not all flattened out. Seams,zipper,Proper lights, whistle etc.


OK now this might help us out in Maine if it passes this time. LD 430

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Flare disposal bill is a hot topic online


February 27, 2019






ELLSWORTH — A bill in the Maine Legislature aimed at establishing a safe way to dispose of expired marine flares has become a hot topic on the internet.
On Monday, the Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee was scheduled to hear testimony on LD 430 sponsored by Rep. Joyce “Jay” McCreight (D-Harpswell), who chairs the Marine Resources Committee.
The bill would require the commissioner of public safety, working with fire chiefs around the state, to establish a system for collecting out-of-date marine flares and storing them on a short-term basis until they can be disposed of by incineration.
LD 430 also calls for the Department of Public Safety to set up an education program to inform the public and state agencies, including several state natural resources agencies, about the flare disposal program.


In most respects, McCreight’s proposal is similar to a bill she sponsored in 2017. LD 252 was passed by the 128th Legislature but vetoed by Governor Paul LePage, who considered it an unfunded mandate to the state fire marshal.
The Senate voted unanimously to override the veto, but the House, with a tally of 82 in favor and 62 against, failed to reach the two-thirds vote needed to enact the law.
The Coast Guard requires that commercial and many recreational vessels carry approved marine distress signal flares on board. The approvals expire 42 months after the flare’s date of manufacture, so the vessel operator must bring new flares onboard.
For boaters, the question is, how to get rid of the “expired” flares that contain toxic pyrotechnic ingredients and that can burn as hot as 2,900 degrees Fahrenheit.
So far, no one has come up with a good answer, but discussion of McCeight’s bill has provoked plenty of discussion online.
In an online newsletter last week, Boat Owners Association of the United States (BoatUS) Manager of Government Affairs David Kennedy said “(i)f passed, (LD430) would make Maine a national leader on an issue that has vexed boaters, government, and environmental advocates for decades. It solves the huge dilemma of how to safely dispose of these hazardous materials.”

BoatUS is the largest recreational boat owners group in the nation, but its opinions don’t have universal approval.
Responses to a story about the bill on the widely read sailing website Scuttlebutt were largely dismissive of the idea, suggesting that expired flares could be part of a fireworks display on July 4 or at other times provided that Coast Guard was notified in advance so there would be no mistaking ebullience for an emergency.
Rep. Genevieve McDonald (D-Stonington), a member of the Marine Resources Committee, found much the same sort of reception to LD 430 on her Facebook page.
Still, the issue is a serious one.
Testifying in favor of LD 252 McCreight said, “The most common suggestion for getting rid of expired flares is take them to the Coast Guard, your fire department, your transfer station. The Coast Guard and the Coast Guard Auxiliary no longer accept flares. Transfer stations are not typically set up to deal with this hazardous waste, nor are many fire departments, particularly volunteer fire departments.”
The result, as many vessel owners can attest is that expired flares stay on the boat, where they may be inoperative when needed, or end up ashore in basements, barns and sheds, where they pose serious fire hazards.
The best way to dispose of outdated flares appears to be high-temperature incineration and disposal of the byproducts in accordance with Department of Environmental Protection requirements, the method called for in LD 430.

Two years ago, State Fire Marshal Joseph Thomas testified against McCreight’s proposal. According to Thomas, his office has had a procedure in place since 2004 for dealing with expired flares. When notified of the need, he said, a fire marshal investigator would pick up the flares, which would then be stored in the marshal’s explosives magazine in West Gardiner and, “at an appropriate time,” be disposed of by burning
 
I am lucky and had a small fire pit in the back yard. I practice lighting my old flares and throw them in there to burn out. If my boat was sinking, I don't want to be reading the instructions. The electric ones make sense. If (for example) I was hit by another boat, gas leakage could be an issue. Would a flare make sense? Poorrichard makes a good point about the flares and burning your boat.

Truthfully, if the boat was sinking, I am glad I keep Safety Aerial Flares on board. That would attract more attention. More than waving a red flag I have on board.
 
I just can't help myself any longer. While I realize that spell check did the title wrong, is there a way to correct the spelling? (With apologies to Rick Flair...)
 
You can keep expired flares on board as long as their kept seprate and plainly marked for "safety drills only" And you have up to date flares aboard. Anything else expired on board is illegal. Rafts etc. Even immersion suits although don't have expiration dates have to be in good working order and not all flattened out. Seams,zipper,Proper lights, whistle etc.


OK now this might help us out in Maine if it passes this time. LD 430

.
Flare disposal bill is a hot topic online


February 27, 2019


ELLSWORTH — A bill in the Maine Legislature aimed at establishing a safe way to dispose of expired marine flares has become a hot topic on the internet.
On Monday, the Criminal Justice and Public Safety C
ommittee was scheduled to hear testimony on LD 430 sponsored by Rep. Joyce “Jay” McCreight (D-Harpswell), who chairs the Marine Resources Committee.
The bill would require the commissioner of public safety, working with fire chiefs around the state, to establish a system for collecting out-of-date marine flares and storing them on a short-term basis until they can be disposed of by incineration.
LD 430 also calls for the Department of Public Safety to set up an education program to inform the public and state agencies, including several state natural resources agencies, about the flare disposal program.

Still hung up in committee. My expired flares will become moldy before this gets passed I think...
 
Still hung up in committee. My expired flares will become moldy before this gets passed I think...

Yep I have 4 or 5 boxes all expired. (mine are only good for 2 years). And no don't fire them off on the 4th of July. (don't ask me how i know that). UGH.
 
I am lucky and had a small fire pit in the back yard. I practice lighting my old flares and throw them in there to burn out. If my boat was sinking, I don't want to be reading the instructions. The electric ones make sense. If (for example) I was hit by another boat, gas leakage could be an issue. Would a flare make sense? Poorrichard makes a good point about the flares and burning your boat.

Truthfully, if the boat was sinking, I am glad I keep Safety Aerial Flares on board. That would attract more attention. More than waving a red flag I have on board.

I see the biggest problem being the aerial flares. The handhelds can be lit in your driveway and allowed to burn off. Nobody is going to mistake that for a distress signal. They could also be kept in your car as highway flares. Probably would want to keep them in an ammo box or something like that for safety reasons.

You raise an excellent point about reading the directions. That's why when we we're shooting off the aerials I made sure everyone got a turn to experience shooting a flare gun.
 
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