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215 day deployment - the sea is rough on equipment
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Check Out How Rusty And Battered USS Stout Looks After Spending A Record 215 Days At Sea
Stout's sailors went from March to October without setting foot on land and performed maintenance usually done in port while at sea.
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wader
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"Regardless, Stout's crew deserves an extremely well-earned rest—on land. By the looks of it, so does the 26-year-old ship"215 day deployment - the sea is rough on equipment
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Check Out How Rusty And Battered USS Stout Looks After Spending A Record 215 Days At Sea
Stout's sailors went from March to October without setting foot on land and performed maintenance usually done in port while at sea.
Welcome Home Stout!
I'm sure she got a well deserved salute from the construction workers on the Chesapeake Bay & Bridge Tunnel as she passed. They do this to all Naval ships returning to Norfolk. The cranes they are using are loaded with Old Glory. As I was passing over a few months back there was USN ship passing over the tunnel & about 20 or so workers were standing at attention & saluting her as she passed.
It was a pretty neat & unforgettable sight.
wader
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tell him we thank him & to keep his head down whenever possible
Looks like they're trying to make the Jimmy Duranate, I mean Zumwalt Class "relevant" now. I bet @Old Mud will add some words of wisdom here...
pressherald.com/2021/05/13/bath-built-ships-will-be-first-in-navys-fleet-armed-with-new-hypersonic-missiles/
By Kathleen O'BrienMay 13, 2021
Zumwalt-class destroyers, three ships built exclusively by Bath Iron Works, will be the first ships in the Navy to be outfitted with new hypersonic missiles, the Navy’s senior military officer confirmed earlier this week during a visit to the Bath shipyard.
“With respect to Zumwalts, they’re the first ships in the Navy that we’ll outfit with hypersonic missiles,” said Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday. “The future of those ships is extremely bright, and I know the Chinese are very concerned about the Zumwalt-class destroyers.”
Sen. Susan Collins has expressed concern about China’s growing naval fleet, which exceeds 330 ships, because it outweighs the United State’s 296-ship fleet.
“We have a goal, in law, of building 350 ships,” Collins said while visiting BIW with Gilday on Monday.
“The Chinese are closer to our goal than we are so it’s so important that we have an adequate budget so that we can continue ensuring we have the best naval fleet in the world.”
According to a Congressional Research Service report published last month, hypersonic weapons “can maneuver en route to their destination,” and can fly at speeds of Mach 5, or about 3,800 mph.
This capability makes them an attractive choice for the military for “responsive, long-range, strike options against distant, defended, and/or time-critical threats [such as road-mobile missiles] when other forces are unavailable, denied access, or not preferred,” said Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former Commander of U.S. Strategic Command Gen. John Hyten.
The weapons were first expected to be added to submarines, but Gilday announced the Department of Defense switched the plan to Zumwalts during an April 29 Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments webinar.
“Our biggest (research and development) effort is in hypersonics, to deliver that capability in 2025, first on surface ships and then – and then on Block V submarines,” said Gilday. “Fielding hypersonics in the Zumwalt-class destroyers will be an important move forward, to turn that into a strike platform.”
The Zumwalt-class destroyer is more expensive and advanced than the Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, which BIW typically makes for the Navy. The more than $4 billion ship features a sleek, wave-piercing tumblehome design, making the 610-foot destroyer appear much smaller on radar than it actually is. It features an electric propulsion system and new types of weapons.
The Zumwalts are a far cry from the roughly $1.8 billion Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, which BIW has produced over 30 of since the 1990s.
Being the first in the Navy to carry hypersonic missiles would be a step forward for the Zumwalts, which have a tumultuous history.
In the early 2000s, the Navy proposed building 32 highly advanced Zumwalt stealth destroyers at BIW, giving the shipyard years of work to come. But as the years wore on, the number of ships ordered was slashed repeatedly. Ultimately, the Navy ordered just three Zumwalt-class destroyers, the last of which, the future USS Lyndon B. Johnson, is under construction at the Bath shipyard.
First of three Zumwalt-class destroyers, the USS Zumwalt was officially handed over to the Navy in April 2020.
In October 2020, then-National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien announced the Navy would eventually add hypersonic missiles to all destroyers, including Bath-built Zumwalts and Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, during a visit to the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in Kittery, Defense News reported.
“The Navy’s Conventional Prompt Strike program will provide hypersonic missile capability to hold targets at risk from longer ranges,” O’Brien said. “This capability will be deployed first on our newer Virginia-class submarines and the Zumwalt-class destroyers. Eventually, all three flights of the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers will field this capability.”
Bath-built ships will be first in Navy’s fleet armed with new hypersonic missiles
By Kathleen O'BrienMay 13, 2021
Zumwalt-class destroyers, three ships built exclusively by Bath Iron Works, will be the first ships in the Navy to be outfitted with new hypersonic missiles, the Navy’s senior military officer confirmed earlier this week during a visit to the Bath shipyard.
“With respect to Zumwalts, they’re the first ships in the Navy that we’ll outfit with hypersonic missiles,” said Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Gilday. “The future of those ships is extremely bright, and I know the Chinese are very concerned about the Zumwalt-class destroyers.”
Sen. Susan Collins has expressed concern about China’s growing naval fleet, which exceeds 330 ships, because it outweighs the United State’s 296-ship fleet.
“We have a goal, in law, of building 350 ships,” Collins said while visiting BIW with Gilday on Monday.
“The Chinese are closer to our goal than we are so it’s so important that we have an adequate budget so that we can continue ensuring we have the best naval fleet in the world.”
According to a Congressional Research Service report published last month, hypersonic weapons “can maneuver en route to their destination,” and can fly at speeds of Mach 5, or about 3,800 mph.
This capability makes them an attractive choice for the military for “responsive, long-range, strike options against distant, defended, and/or time-critical threats [such as road-mobile missiles] when other forces are unavailable, denied access, or not preferred,” said Vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and former Commander of U.S. Strategic Command Gen. John Hyten.
The weapons were first expected to be added to submarines, but Gilday announced the Department of Defense switched the plan to Zumwalts during an April 29 Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments webinar.
“Our biggest (research and development) effort is in hypersonics, to deliver that capability in 2025, first on surface ships and then – and then on Block V submarines,” said Gilday. “Fielding hypersonics in the Zumwalt-class destroyers will be an important move forward, to turn that into a strike platform.”
The Zumwalt-class destroyer is more expensive and advanced than the Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, which BIW typically makes for the Navy. The more than $4 billion ship features a sleek, wave-piercing tumblehome design, making the 610-foot destroyer appear much smaller on radar than it actually is. It features an electric propulsion system and new types of weapons.
The Zumwalts are a far cry from the roughly $1.8 billion Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, which BIW has produced over 30 of since the 1990s.
Being the first in the Navy to carry hypersonic missiles would be a step forward for the Zumwalts, which have a tumultuous history.
In the early 2000s, the Navy proposed building 32 highly advanced Zumwalt stealth destroyers at BIW, giving the shipyard years of work to come. But as the years wore on, the number of ships ordered was slashed repeatedly. Ultimately, the Navy ordered just three Zumwalt-class destroyers, the last of which, the future USS Lyndon B. Johnson, is under construction at the Bath shipyard.
First of three Zumwalt-class destroyers, the USS Zumwalt was officially handed over to the Navy in April 2020.
In October 2020, then-National Security Advisor Robert O’Brien announced the Navy would eventually add hypersonic missiles to all destroyers, including Bath-built Zumwalts and Arleigh Burke-class destroyers, during a visit to the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in Kittery, Defense News reported.
“The Navy’s Conventional Prompt Strike program will provide hypersonic missile capability to hold targets at risk from longer ranges,” O’Brien said. “This capability will be deployed first on our newer Virginia-class submarines and the Zumwalt-class destroyers. Eventually, all three flights of the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers will field this capability.”
This is scary...
pressherald.com/2021/05/24/navy-says-its-charting-a-new-course-after-rash-of-problems-with-ships/
By DAVID SHARP May 24, 2021
BATH — The Navy’s speedy littoral combat ships had propulsion failures. The gun on its stealthy destroyer is a dud because of expensive ammo. Its newest aircraft carrier had problems with the system that launches aircraft.
On top of that, embarrassing photos of rusty ships online have underscored delays in maintaining warships, made worse by the pandemic.
The Navy’s troubles have caused delays and cost billions of dollars. They come as tensions are growing in the South China Sea, Russia’s navy is emboldened, and Iranian speedboats are harassing vessels in the Persian Gulf.
“Are we ready to meet the threat from China? No,” said Loren Thompson, a defense analyst at the Lexington Institute.
Adm. Mike Gilday, chief of naval operations, insists the Navy is now on a “positive trajectory” but the Navy will have to rebuild confidence under congressional scrutiny as it prepares a new strategic plan that’ll include another long-term investment: unmanned vehicles and hypersonic missiles. The Biden administration is readying a Navy budget proposal this week to send to lawmakers.
The Navy fleet currently falls shy of 300 ships, despite a stated goal of 355 ships. The Chinese fleet now outnumbers the U.S. Navy.
“The Chinese are closer to our goal than we are,” said Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, who sits on the Appropriation Committee and wants to boost Navy spending.
Democratic Sen. Jack Reed and Republican Sen. Jim Inhofe, chairman and ranking member of the Armed Services Committee, have criticized delays and cost overruns on lead ships, and urged the Navy to ensure technology is ready before putting it aboard.
Members of Congress, who control the purse strings, say the Navy must also spend billions of dollars more in its public shipyards that maintain the ships.
“The Navy has got to get their derriere in gear,” said Rep. Rob Wittman, a Republican from Virginia, who described the Navy as “at one of those crossroads.”
The Navy’s problem, as Thompson sees it, is that leaders rushed ambitious new ship classes to production and started construction before designs were finalized and technology fully tested.
“It tried too hard to leap ahead technologically at the beginning of the last decade,” Thompson said. “As a result, every vessel that it started had severe problems.”
For example, the electric-drive Zumwalt, commissioned in 2016, was designed to get close to shore to bombard land targets. But its 155mm advanced gun system is being scrapped because each rocket-propelled, GPS-guided shell costs nearly as much as a cruise missile.
Meanwhile, two versions of the speedy littoral combat ship were envisioned as chasing down pirate ships. One version had class-wide propulsion problems, and both were criticized as too lightly armored for open ocean combat. The Navy is already scrapping the first four of them.
The most expensive ship in Navy history, meanwhile, is the newest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald Ford, which has had problems with the system that launches jets and the elevators that move weapons. It was supposed to cost $10.5 billion but the price tag has risen to $13.3 billion, “and the reliability of key systems is low,” said Inhofe, a Republican from Oklahoma.
Together, the costs on the first ships in each of those classes were 23 percent to 155 percent – or about $5 billion – higher than original estimates, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
“Congress has mandated the Navy not put the cart before the proverbial horse by requiring system integration between platforms and new technologies and fully testing prior to rolling out new programs,” said Sen. Mazie Hirono, a Hawaii Democrat and chair of the Armed Services seapower subcommittee.
Lawmakers have scrutinized the Navy’s readiness and overextended crews since 17 sailors were killed in two separate collisions involving Navy destroyers in 2017.
The Navy’s unceasing tempo continues to cause stress on ships and crew. Photos of the USS Stout, an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, showed plentiful rust as it returned from a 210-day deployment last fall to Norfolk Naval Station in Virginia. The rust was cosmetic but underscored the toll of deferred maintenance and long deployments on ships and sailors, who made no port calls during the pandemic.
“It’s wearing out the Navy, the crews, their personnel, their families,” said Matt Caris, a defense analyst at Avascent, a consulting firm in Washington, who said investments are needed in sailors, maintenance and new ships.
The Navy has acknowledged problems in the shipbuilding programs, while having success in others, including submarines.
But aging ships — 60 percent of today’s fleet was commissioned in 2001 or before — has caused maintenance and operation costs to grow at a time when the Navy wants to spend on new ships and research. It would take 4.1 percent in annual funding growth to boost the fleet to 355 ships within about a decade while meeting other obligations including investments in shipyards, Gilday said.
Speaking at Navy shipbuilder Bath Iron Works on a recent afternoon, Gilday insisted things are getting better. The length of time that ships were delayed has declined by 80 percent at public shipyards and 60 percent at private yards compared to where things were 18 months ago, Gilday said. And even those ships that suffered delays and cost overruns hold potential. The stealthy Zumwalt destroyer built at Bath Iron Works will be the first naval vessel equipped with hypersonic missiles, he said.
“I’m not saying that we’re satisfied with where we are,” Gilday said. “What I will say is that I think that certainly the trends are headed in the right direction.”
Navy says it’s charting a new course after rash of problems with ships
By DAVID SHARP May 24, 2021
BATH — The Navy’s speedy littoral combat ships had propulsion failures. The gun on its stealthy destroyer is a dud because of expensive ammo. Its newest aircraft carrier had problems with the system that launches aircraft.
On top of that, embarrassing photos of rusty ships online have underscored delays in maintaining warships, made worse by the pandemic.
The Navy’s troubles have caused delays and cost billions of dollars. They come as tensions are growing in the South China Sea, Russia’s navy is emboldened, and Iranian speedboats are harassing vessels in the Persian Gulf.
“Are we ready to meet the threat from China? No,” said Loren Thompson, a defense analyst at the Lexington Institute.
Adm. Mike Gilday, chief of naval operations, insists the Navy is now on a “positive trajectory” but the Navy will have to rebuild confidence under congressional scrutiny as it prepares a new strategic plan that’ll include another long-term investment: unmanned vehicles and hypersonic missiles. The Biden administration is readying a Navy budget proposal this week to send to lawmakers.
The Navy fleet currently falls shy of 300 ships, despite a stated goal of 355 ships. The Chinese fleet now outnumbers the U.S. Navy.
“The Chinese are closer to our goal than we are,” said Republican Sen. Susan Collins of Maine, who sits on the Appropriation Committee and wants to boost Navy spending.
Democratic Sen. Jack Reed and Republican Sen. Jim Inhofe, chairman and ranking member of the Armed Services Committee, have criticized delays and cost overruns on lead ships, and urged the Navy to ensure technology is ready before putting it aboard.
Members of Congress, who control the purse strings, say the Navy must also spend billions of dollars more in its public shipyards that maintain the ships.
“The Navy has got to get their derriere in gear,” said Rep. Rob Wittman, a Republican from Virginia, who described the Navy as “at one of those crossroads.”
The Navy’s problem, as Thompson sees it, is that leaders rushed ambitious new ship classes to production and started construction before designs were finalized and technology fully tested.
“It tried too hard to leap ahead technologically at the beginning of the last decade,” Thompson said. “As a result, every vessel that it started had severe problems.”
For example, the electric-drive Zumwalt, commissioned in 2016, was designed to get close to shore to bombard land targets. But its 155mm advanced gun system is being scrapped because each rocket-propelled, GPS-guided shell costs nearly as much as a cruise missile.
Meanwhile, two versions of the speedy littoral combat ship were envisioned as chasing down pirate ships. One version had class-wide propulsion problems, and both were criticized as too lightly armored for open ocean combat. The Navy is already scrapping the first four of them.
The most expensive ship in Navy history, meanwhile, is the newest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald Ford, which has had problems with the system that launches jets and the elevators that move weapons. It was supposed to cost $10.5 billion but the price tag has risen to $13.3 billion, “and the reliability of key systems is low,” said Inhofe, a Republican from Oklahoma.
Together, the costs on the first ships in each of those classes were 23 percent to 155 percent – or about $5 billion – higher than original estimates, according to the Congressional Budget Office.
“Congress has mandated the Navy not put the cart before the proverbial horse by requiring system integration between platforms and new technologies and fully testing prior to rolling out new programs,” said Sen. Mazie Hirono, a Hawaii Democrat and chair of the Armed Services seapower subcommittee.
Lawmakers have scrutinized the Navy’s readiness and overextended crews since 17 sailors were killed in two separate collisions involving Navy destroyers in 2017.
The Navy’s unceasing tempo continues to cause stress on ships and crew. Photos of the USS Stout, an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer, showed plentiful rust as it returned from a 210-day deployment last fall to Norfolk Naval Station in Virginia. The rust was cosmetic but underscored the toll of deferred maintenance and long deployments on ships and sailors, who made no port calls during the pandemic.
“It’s wearing out the Navy, the crews, their personnel, their families,” said Matt Caris, a defense analyst at Avascent, a consulting firm in Washington, who said investments are needed in sailors, maintenance and new ships.
The Navy has acknowledged problems in the shipbuilding programs, while having success in others, including submarines.
But aging ships — 60 percent of today’s fleet was commissioned in 2001 or before — has caused maintenance and operation costs to grow at a time when the Navy wants to spend on new ships and research. It would take 4.1 percent in annual funding growth to boost the fleet to 355 ships within about a decade while meeting other obligations including investments in shipyards, Gilday said.
Speaking at Navy shipbuilder Bath Iron Works on a recent afternoon, Gilday insisted things are getting better. The length of time that ships were delayed has declined by 80 percent at public shipyards and 60 percent at private yards compared to where things were 18 months ago, Gilday said. And even those ships that suffered delays and cost overruns hold potential. The stealthy Zumwalt destroyer built at Bath Iron Works will be the first naval vessel equipped with hypersonic missiles, he said.
“I’m not saying that we’re satisfied with where we are,” Gilday said. “What I will say is that I think that certainly the trends are headed in the right direction.”
Avenger
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Think some lawyers might be salivating at the thought of getting the taxpayer on the hook for this?
Old Mud
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USS Wiskey, BB 64 first decomissoned in May 1957 in Bayonne NJ. Recommisioned a few years later. I was there and worked on her.
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WhatKnot
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I wonder if anyone can tell the difference in concussion when hit, lol
dsedy
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A mysterious stealth aircraft was spotted at Lockheed Martin's Helendale radar-cross section measurement facility in the Mojave Desert, not far from the company's Skunk Works headquarters at Plant 42 in Palmdale, California.
Skunk Works has played a significant role in the development of stealth aircraft in the last four decades and could be in the process of developing yet another one.
A video, first spotted by Twitter handle "Ruben Hofs," said he first "stumbled upon a very interesting TikTok video of an unknown shape on a flatbed trailer."
Skunk Works has played a significant role in the development of stealth aircraft in the last four decades and could be in the process of developing yet another one.
A video, first spotted by Twitter handle "Ruben Hofs," said he first "stumbled upon a very interesting TikTok video of an unknown shape on a flatbed trailer."
dsedy
Well-Known Angler
2 F117 Nighthawks Stealth - previously retired, doing training flights September 2021
This is the first time that F-117s have landed in Fresno. Their presence immediately received attention from aviation geeks who captured the planes operating in Fresno in never before seen 4k resolution video, according to The Aviationist.
This is the first time that F-117s have landed in Fresno. Their presence immediately received attention from aviation geeks who captured the planes operating in Fresno in never before seen 4k resolution video, according to The Aviationist.
movetheboat
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In Rota, Spain; on the bow of USS GEORGE C MARSHALL SSBN 654 missile submarine (1974)
rest of the sub is classified
rest of the sub is classified
Great Read if you haven't. Best story in it was the 1st radar testing of a small model of the F-117. After they mounted the model they were all perplexed when they powered up the radar and there was no return. Everyone was checking to see if the radar was working when a bird flew over to the model and landed on it, and BAM, the bird provided a radar return!! It was truly a "OMG it WORKS!!" moment.
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