Rod length opinion wanted

pequa1

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OK, have yet to pick up my new Hurricane Skimmer 12'8" due to physical therapy and crappy weather for adding the accessories but I have pretty much decided on a new rod, a Shimano slimwave SWSPS601-M. Do you guys feel since I will be casting and retrieving bucktails over the bow that I will have much difficulty due to its shorter length? My go-to rods have been no shorter than 6 1/2 feet, usually 7', but that was off a Hurricane Phoenix 140 (14') and I really only had to lean a bit forward to put the fish on my right hand net side. I want to go to lighter lures with a rod that won't brake the piggy bank and even my freshwater rods are a tad too whippy (fast).
 
I have a Hobie Outback and at 12 foot long I find landing a feisty fish that wants to keep running to different sides of the boat a little challenging with a 6 and a half foot rod so with a 6 foot 1 rod and a slightly larger kayak I would think you might be doing a lot of bending forward to get around the bow.I tend to stick with 6.5 for vertical jigging and 7 foot spinning rod for casting and retrieving especially since I have a bad shoulder and neck.
 
Guess I will find out. I ordered the SlimWave from Fisherman Source off ebay. its coming tomorrow, lol. at worst it will make a great boat rod, but since I have landed a blue and a schoolie on my 6' snapper rod on the 14' Phoenix kayak. I should be able to do what's needed. I admit getting totally hooked (pun intended) by the two seminars I attended at WMHS Expo this month, one by Capt John Paduano and the other by John Skinner, both of whom are using shorter rods and without the Fast Action tips.
BTW, FishermenSource had the best price on the rod, better than Amazon, J&H, walmart, etc., and no Cuomo sales tax on ebay.
 
You cannot go wrong with that rod.In fact my son was going to get that exact rod for his outback but decided on the St Croix mojo kayak rod.He just received it yesterday and loves the weight at 4.3 oz on a 7 ft medium heavy rod.The rod butt only being about maybe 6 or 7 inches at most it looks like it seems to be perfect for one handed jigging without that annoying stick in the ribs every time you want to change hands or when fighting a fish.But like I said I really like the SlimWave myself good luck with it I am sure it will be a great rod especially since you are used to the nuances of a smaller rod on a larger kayak.
 
SlimWave just came, a day early. Wow, is that light. Guides seem a bit small ( I think I read the same thing in some other thread somewhere, but I don't intend to be going for distance casting with it anyway.)
Going to try matching it up with an old Garcia 230 I just "rejuvenated." If N.G., my birthday is coming up ;)
 
I prefer the shorter rods. You'll learn quickly to deal with it and how to take advantage of a run off to get back over to your favored side. The rod buried down in the water is how you learn to cope with a fish crossing under.
John P's setup works great. His way of doing that snap jigging, you'll be ace at self rescue doing that on the yak. The 10# braid which works wonders getting a 3/4 oz jig down to 40' is a test of endurance on your patients. I caught up to a 40" bass on that setup. Never snapped the line. I even used it to snag bunker. Just never went higher then 3-1/2lbs. drag. It was the first Tuna or Bonito that went ten pounds that I said I'm screwed and was for twenty minutes. If you can get 5lbs out of the drag with out a fail. Go for it, you'll feel everything where you go with a 1/2 jig. Otherwise bump up to 12-15 lb braid for peace of mind.
 
"John P's setup works great. His way of doing that snap jigging, you'll be ace at self rescue doing that on the yak." :LOL::ROFLMAO:??‍♂️
 
Rick you are right Johns method really does work but that method really only lends itself to a boat or standing up anywhere.You might be able to do a version of it on a kayak but not exactly how he does it.Just like we cannot very effectively troll bunker spoons or Tony Maja Mojos on a kayak but we can adapt other things to take its place and get almost the same result.
 
I've given this a considerable amount of thought and learned a lot the hard way. When I first started kayak fishing I was partial to A 7-foot rod simply because it seemed about the right size and it fit inside my truck. Kayak fishing in general dictates that a somewhat shorter rod be used, and I shorten the butts, of course. It turned out to be a good fit for the way that I fish, too. When a big fish chooses which side of the kayak she's going to come up on, you just have to follow. And at least while she's still some distance from the kayak you have to be able to switch sides, depending on where the fish presents. For that reason I choose a rod that is short (7 ft) and I store it in a nearly horizontal position. If a big bass is 20 feet away from the yak and suddenly runs under the stern of my (16 foot) kayak and comes up the other side, I just switch hands. Otherwise, good luck: you probably just lost a big bass. I also add a round butt end as a sort of stopper. With fishy hands and only about 8 inches of rod butt to hold on to, it's a safety mechanism. Also more comfortable while reeling. Not too big, or it won't fit in your rod holder. Nothing fancy - like you'd put on the foot of a folding chair. $5 for 4 at Home Depot. I reshaped it slightly (sandpaper) and epoxied it on.
The bigger lesson that I learned (the hard way) was about the weight/pound capacity of the rod. Because I started out bay fishing in the kayak before I started catching fish off Montauk Point my rods were medium-weight rods, 15-30lb. Not very rigid, and I prefer Ugly Sticks because they're cheap and incredibly durable. When I started catching big fish off Montauk I decided to switch to a medium heavy, still 7 foot. The difference in rigidity was not a lot - it was rated for 30lb - but it was just enough to prevent the rod from bending enough. The first fish that I hooked into the night that I bought the rods was about a 5 lb bluefish, and as I got it near the kayak it darted downward and nearly tipped me over. Had it been my medium weight Ugly Stik, the rod would have simply doubled over and absorbed the increased weight that the fish was asserting. It was an eye-opening experience for me. I returned the two medium/heavy weight rods I'd bought before the sun was back up.
My recommendation to almost anyone who plans to catch big (10-40+lb) fish from a kayak is a short, flexible rod that won't break when you touch tip to butt. Shorten the butt and add a butt end as a precaution and for comfort.
Good luck!
 
If they would only put a gimbal on them. Yours are up good in the front. Mine mounted behind, even with a six inch Scotty riser before the Scotty rocket launchers. Reels take waves. I'm lucky if two seasons without changing bearings.
 
Since I don't striper fish off the yak (just fluke and mostly cocktails) the 6' Tsunami Slimwave and my 12'8" kayak are a great match for me. Just paired the rod up with a Daiwa BG2000 and can twitch those bucks an entire morning even with these old wrists, and feel more "connected" than I did with longer rods, although I will go back to them when I start livelining snappers. I have been easily able to switch sides with the 6' over the bow, something that was not as easy with 7' rods on the old 14' yak. I go light, no rudder, pedals, no depthfinder, etc. so I float over boat wakes and head for the hills when the chop goes one foot whitecaps, lol.
 

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