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Roccus7 said:
It's exactly as the published in NEJM. I agree that folks are way too PC minded, saying that poorly written titles are the least of our worries, and pointed that out early in the diatribes.

Of course that point was ignored, so one couldn't be sure if that was the issue or folks who are vaccine adverse were just trying to discredit the use of the vaccine on pregnant females.

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You can be 100 percent assured if anything
I’m not vaccine adverse

do I believe they will work long term is an open question
Do I believe the should be forced , no
Do I believe the are harmful , no
Do I believe we are the long term trial , yes

but I’m anything but adverse
Ppl should take them if the feel
They want to
They need to and even if they feel as I do what the hell ive subjected my body to worse so what the hell
No harm no foul

end of the day anything to alleviate the damage that’s been foist upon us by both our government and the Chinese goverment

Ps dom you really do need to learn to tell the difference between anti pc and anti vaccine
 
Roccus7 said:
And the stupidity of FL continues...

Cruise Line Threatens to Skip Florida Ports Over Proof-of-Vaccination Ban​

Norwegian Cruise Line plans to require Covid-19 vaccine documentation from its crew members and customers, but Florida recently enacted a law that bars businesses from doing so.

Norwegian Cruise Line is threatening to keep its ships out of Florida ports after the state enacted legislation that prohibits businesses from requiring proof of vaccination against Covid-19 in exchange for services.

The company, which plans to have its first cruises available to the Caribbean and Europe this summer and fall, will offer trips with limited capacity and require all guests and crew members to be vaccinated on bookings through at least the end of October.

During a quarterly earnings call on Thursday, Frank Del Rio, chief executive of Norwegian Cruise Line, said the issue had been discussed with Florida’s governor, Ron DeSantis, a Republican. Mr. Del Rio said if the cruise line had to skip Florida ports, it could operate out of other states or the Caribbean.

“We certainly hope it doesn’t come to that,” Mr. Del Rio said. “Everyone wants to operate out of Florida. It’s a very lucrative market.”

The clash between Norwegian Cruise Line and Florida is one of the many that are likely to surface about how states and businesses address whether proof of vaccination will be required. While some states have yet to take a position on businesses requiring vaccines, others are already operating with such protocols in place.

At many events in New York, such as Major League Baseball and National Basketball Association games, state health and safety guidelines require that fans provide proof of vaccination or of a negative coronavirus test within 72 hours of attendance.

“We hope that this hasn’t become a legal football or a political football,” Mr. Del Rio said on the call.

Norwegian Cruise Line is headquartered in Florida along with Royal Caribbean Cruises and Carnival Corporation. In 2019, about 60 percent of all U.S. cruise embarkations were from Florida ports, according to an economic analysis prepared last year for the Cruise Lines International Association.

In a business update on Thursday, Norwegian Cruise Line said it was experiencing “robust future demand” with bookings for the first half of 2022 that were “meaningfully ahead” of 2019 bookings. Through the end of the first quarter of 2021, the company said it had $1.3 billion of advance ticket sales.

In addition to prohibiting businesses to require proof of vaccination, the Florida law also prevents state and local governments from closing businesses or schools for in-person learning unless there is a hurricane emergency.

“I have refused to take the same approach as other lockdown governors,” Mr. DeSantis said in a statement on Monday when he signed the bill. “In Florida, your personal choice regarding vaccinations will be protected and no business or government entity will be able to deny you services based on your decision.”

His office did not immediately respond to a request for comment on Saturday, and Norwegian Cruise Line could not be reached for comment.

“We hope that everyone is pushing in the same direction, which is we want to resume cruising in a safe manner, especially at the beginning,” Mr. Del Rio said on the earnings call. “Things might be different six months from now or a year from now.”

The latest guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention allows for cruise ships to conduct “simulated voyages” with volunteer passengers to see how cruise lines can safely resume operations with measures such as testing and potential quarantines.

The C.D.C. requires cruise lines to complete the test runs before they can be cleared to sail with passengers this summer.

“It is not possible for cruising to be a zero-risk activity for spread of Covid-19,” the C.D.C. said this week. “While cruising will always pose some risk of Covid-19 transmission, C.D.C. is committed to ensuring that cruise ship passenger operations are conducted in a way that protects crew members, passengers and port personnel.”

The latest guidance recommends, but does not require, that travelers and crew members on cruise lines receive a vaccine when it is available to them.

On the earnings call this week, Mr. Del Rio said Norwegian Cruise Line had submitted a proposal to the C.D.C. that includes requiring proof of vaccines from all of its crew members and passengers.

It is unclear how much business Norwegian Cruise Line could stand to lose by avoiding Florida ports. Of the dozens of ports listed on its website, Norwegian Cruise Line has Florida ports listed in Tampa, Miami and Key West.

Mr. Del Rio said “pent-up demand” had helped fill bookings quickly.

“I believe it’s the No. 1 destination for Americans to the Caribbean,” Mr. Del Rio said. “Who knows? That vessel might prove to be so profitable there that it never returns back to U.S. waters.”
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Think what you want, but I can tell you first hand that I loved the way Florida has handled Covid. No doom and gloom there. They let people use their own common sense. Despite what many think, people are very cautious and their numbers are a lot better than NY. And their businesses are doing fine.

When I drove the highways there the overhead signs read "Seat Belts Save Lives" when I got to NY the first overhead sign I saw read "Covid is Real" Well no sh$t.
 
TonySmjc said:
Ps dom you really do need to learn to tell the difference between anti pc and anti vaccine
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You might want to read the posts in order to restart your memory. I have no differentiating bewteen Anti-PC, which I'm a card-carrying member, and the Anti-vaxxer cause.

In case your forgot how the hole hullabaloo started, it was the article's title talking about "Pregnant People" instead of "Pregnant Woman" that got the rise out of some of you, and that turned into a huge debate, clouding the fact that the article reported no problems with the mRNA vaccines and pregnancy. At first, it wasn't clear to me whether the article's title, or the article's conclusion was what set people off.

You even commented that you were upset with PC title in your comments, and that the science wasn't important to you:

No one cares about the scientific point

it’s about the words
Pregnant person
 
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Roccus7 said:
You might want to read the posts in order to restart your memory. I have no differentiating bewteen Anti-PC, which I'm a card-carrying member, and the Anti-vaxxer cause.

In case your forgot how the hole hullabaloo started, it was the article's title talking about "Pregnant People" instead of "Pregnant Woman" that got the rise out of some of you, and that turned into a huge debate, clouding the fact that the article reported no problems with the mRNA vaccines and pregnancy. At first, it wasn't clear to me whether the article's title, or the article's conclusion was what set people off.

You even commented that you were being anti-PC in your comments and that the science wasn't important:

No one cares about the scientific point

it’s about the words
Pregnant person
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I guess I don’t speak down east

I’m not anti vac maybe not for reasons you agree with but not anti vac
My original comments to this were strictly about the wording
All pregnant ppl are women

the phrase pregnant ppl as it was used is foolish

I’ll try to speak slower for u in the future
 
TonySmjc said:
I guess I don’t speak down east

I’m not anti vac maybe not for reasons you agree with but not anti vac
My original comments to this were strictly about the wording
All pregnant ppl are women

the phrase pregnant ppl as it was used is foolish

I’ll try to speak slower for u in the future
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And how many times will you repeat that you were upset with the wording of pregnant "people"? We got you the 1st time and I agreed that the wording was crazy, and pointed it may have been driven than editorial or institutional forces, even using an analogy regarding on prostatic cancer.

Is there any new information to bring this up again or do you just need to type something today?

As far as anyone's feelings about whether or not to be vaccinated, that's fine by me as long as they don't cite incorrect, misleading or just plain fraudulent information and present it as "scientific" truths.
 
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Roccus7 said:
And how many times will you repeat that you were upset with the wording of pregnant "people"? We got you the 1st time and I agreed that the wording was crazy, and pointed it may have been driven than editorial or institutional forces, even using an analogy regarding on prostatic cancer.

Is there any new information to bring this up again or do you just need to type something today?

As far as anyone's feelings about whether or not to be vaccinated, that's fine by me as long as they don't cite incorrect, misleading or just plain fraudulent information and present it as "scientific" truths.
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Just needed something to do at the moment
 
I thought I posted this question already, but I guess not . . .

Anyhow, why are patients that are Covid positive sent home and told to wait it out without any treatment? Do we have one? Because anyone that I know of that's had the "vid" has been sent home to recover. Unless of course they didn't and ended up in the "Covid Room" in the ER.

I have a good friend that has been slowly getting worse at home, with no meds prescribed, as he now has Covid pneumonia. They told him if he doesn't get better soon he will be hospitalized.

Shouldn't we have a protocol by now to actually treat it?
 
george said:
I thought I posted this question already, but I guess not . . .

Anyhow, why are patients that are Covid positive sent home and told to wait it out without any treatment? Do we have one? Because anyone that I know of that's had the "vid" has been sent home to recover. Unless of course they didn't and ended up in the "Covid Room" in the ER.

I have a good friend that has been slowly getting worse at home, with no meds prescribed, as he now has Covid pneumonia. They told him if he doesn't get better soon he will be hospitalized.

Shouldn't we have a protocol by now to actually treat it?
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Not sure how much of this was addressed in the other thread, but there are treatments, just no accepted gold standard treatment. One important issue is who pays for the treatment. When Trump got covid, we paid for him to be flown to Walter Reed, where he received a cocktail of very expendive drugs, which I believe included monoclonal anti-bodies from Regeneron. That stuff is really expensive. So is a room in a Covid ward. The staff probably doesn't want to be around you either and they don't want to be full to the gills like they were a year ago.

If there is no accepted cure, then I do not believe the insurance companies must pay for "experimental treatments" and "unnecessary hospital stays." I'll guess that when rich folks get Covid, they don't quarantine until maybe they go to the hospital. I remember Chris Christie mentioning that he "checked himself into the hospital." Most folks can't afford a few thousand a day, and are told to go home until just before it's too late. Then insurance will pay for their experimental treatments.
 
something tells me that if you can afford it, you can get treatment a lot sooner than if you have to rely on what an insurance company will authorize.
 
TonySmjc said:
We don’t need anything other than our history to make July 4th a special day
We don’t need permission or a shot to celebrate it either
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How about fireworks...do "WE" need that? Carry on!!

7/4/21 freedom from covid!!!
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Matts said:
something tells me that if you can afford it, you can get treatment a lot sooner than if you have to rely on what an insurance company will authorize.
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OTOH, without insurance you might not. although some will say that if you are an illegal...
 
No we don’t actually “ need” fireworks

we do have the right as Americans to celebrate our countries independence as we see fit
In groups large and small
With or without mask or vaccines as we see fit
Without govt intervention
Most of us don’t need the Govts permission and will do as we see fit regardless

because it’s our right

and as I’ve said 1000 times before
The ppl will ultimately decide how long this stupidity goes on

I will say that it’s been allowed to continue far longer than I could have ever believed it would
 
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